tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8864688049256808802..comments2024-03-28T19:03:29.667-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Can you accidentally do a Nazi salute?"Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49211422112918345702013-03-21T01:31:23.604-05:002013-03-21T01:31:23.604-05:00"Can you accidentally do a Nazi salute?"...<i>"Can you accidentally do a Nazi salute?"</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.ofoem.com/hummel-millenium-2000-figurine-155866-p-16053.html" rel="nofollow">Yes</a>.AlanKHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415873942467466303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91206909735571531612013-03-19T21:05:10.931-05:002013-03-19T21:05:10.931-05:00I was just hoping this would let us ban Soccer. No...I was just hoping this would let us ban Soccer. No more synchronized lawn dancing. Nazi or no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17058503611610867762013-03-19T20:54:28.493-05:002013-03-19T20:54:28.493-05:00Wow. When you think of all the things he could do...Wow. When you think of all the things he could do and not get such a severe punishment. A simple salute? A momentary expression hurting no one, and quite possibly meaning nothing in particular? Strange times. P.C. is scarier than a Nazi, because, well it's just like what a Nazi would do with the power that the PC crowd now has.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29208604231398525512013-03-19T17:02:46.578-05:002013-03-19T17:02:46.578-05:00Are our cab drivers a secret nazi fifth column?
I ...Are our cab drivers a secret nazi fifth column?<br />I see a lot of them saluted that way. ampersandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17145013352755061465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90305322334609315882013-03-19T16:19:27.257-05:002013-03-19T16:19:27.257-05:00I just read the one story from the BBC or somethin...I just read the one story from the BBC or something. It did sound like he was clueless. Although it also sounded like he lied about "pointing to the stands". <br /><br />Unless there's proof he knew it was a nazi salute I say banning for life is just too strong. I favor a little forgiveness here.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47911640211355524062013-03-19T15:28:15.450-05:002013-03-19T15:28:15.450-05:00except that official proscription of fascist speec...<i>except that official proscription of fascist speech and regalia from public display enabled the sundry Euro National Front-type groups to appropriate them and propagate them through fringe conduits like hate-metal raves and soccer hooliganism.</i><br /><br />Just to be clear, I don't advocate prosciption by the government. I advocate shaming and shunning by the people.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52911582490004978342013-03-19T15:25:45.882-05:002013-03-19T15:25:45.882-05:00but the proper response is to run the Communists o...<i>but the proper response is to run the Communists out of politics, not allow the Fascists in.</i><br /><br />...except that official proscription of fascist speech and regalia from public display enabled the sundry Euro National Front-type groups to appropriate them and propagate them through fringe conduits like hate-metal raves and soccer hooliganism.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74107367279878125532013-03-19T14:42:35.121-05:002013-03-19T14:42:35.121-05:00There was a certain amount of arrogance in the pos...There was a certain amount of arrogance in the post WWII Americans, Euros, and Soviets that they could order the world's future by creating things like the UN to end all war forever, the World Bank to end all poverty forever, the Soviets thinking they could 'educate' masses globally on the folly of religion and capitalism. <br /><br />In that hubris, another thing that was popular 70 years ago was lawyers and elites thinking laws to control behavior (racism) and expression of forbidden "symbolic" things the Victors wanted forbidden (for all remaining human history)...even if the symbols were ancient and the Nazis appropriating swastikas and Japs appropriating 1,000 year old Buddhist symbols into militaristic Shinto were just the latest in a long line of users that had nothing to do with WWII.<br /><br />As the WWII generation disappears, the bans will eventually end. And institutions sink or swim on their own merits vs. sit on 70 year old claims of a bygone generation that the UN, for example, will soon end all war... Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69745147131904429962013-03-19T13:35:34.367-05:002013-03-19T13:35:34.367-05:00Compare FIFA's anti-racism campaign to that of...Compare FIFA's anti-racism campaign to that of the NFL. <br /><br />What's that? The NFL doesn't have a high-profile anti-racism campaign?<br /><br />Hmm ... <br /><br />Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86369473486134514262013-03-19T13:34:02.935-05:002013-03-19T13:34:02.935-05:00Yes the Left has been entirely hypocritical on the...<i> Yes the Left has been entirely hypocritical on the subject, but the proper response is to run the Communists out of politics, not allow the Fascists in.</i><br /><br />The secret is to let them all in, but beat them squarely with better ideas. Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1602330241494384882013-03-19T13:33:47.037-05:002013-03-19T13:33:47.037-05:00koivwvia:
It's circumstantial evidence. On i...koivwvia:<br /><br />It's circumstantial evidence. On its own it means nothing. Perhaps with a preponderance of evidence, or a successful divination of intent, then there would be a story worth telling. As it is, this ban, and story, presume a guilt, and thereby serve as an intimidation tactic. This is how the human and civil rights "movements" have devolved.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56612341683775974422013-03-19T13:20:18.358-05:002013-03-19T13:20:18.358-05:00Gahrie: Yes the Left has been entirely hypocritic...Gahrie: <i>Yes the Left has been entirely hypocritical on the subject, but the proper response is to run the Communists out of politics, not allow the Fascists in.</i><br /><br />Simples!<br /><br />Uh, wait. Who gets to decide who gets to run whom out of politics? There's some impartial referee out there who gets to arbitrate who's beyond the pale? I'm aware there are people who <i>think</i> they're qualified for the job, but right now they just seem to be exacerbating the conditions that give commies and fascists traction among the electorate in the first place. With the banning and the censoring and the deprivation of livelihood and stuff...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85855383716572897072013-03-19T12:59:20.928-05:002013-03-19T12:59:20.928-05:00n.n's photo montage settles it.
When humans h...n.n's photo montage settles it.<br /><br />When humans have accomplished such a mediocrity of minds - thinking that an exuberant soccer player celebrating a goal is somehow going to leave the field, dig up Hitler's bones, and reimpose Nazism on us all over again . . .<br /><br />It's time for a beer or three.<br /><br />Sheesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91532465365065948122013-03-19T12:44:52.661-05:002013-03-19T12:44:52.661-05:00On the other hand, isn't he signalling that he...On the other hand, isn't he signalling that he got the goal? And isn't his thumb in the wrong place for the Nazi salute?Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39634185465338229772013-03-19T12:39:14.228-05:002013-03-19T12:39:14.228-05:00Undated photos of legionaries giving the Roman sal...<a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A2KJkIc6nEhRu1oAQUOJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Droman%2Bsalute%26_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Droman%2Bsalute%26fr%3Dytff-sunm%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D42&w=640&h=458&imgurl=farm4.staticflickr.com%2F3061%2F2561308236_07795f20f2_z.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fsandman1973%2F2561308236%2F&size=123.8+KB&name=%3Cb%3ERoman+Salute+%3C%2Fb%3E%7C+Flickr+-+Photo+Sharing%21&p=roman+salute&oid=9493a65a94f3ec4fbdab39664900a838&fr2=&fr=ytff-sunm&tt=%253Cb%253ERoman%2BSalute%2B%253C%252Fb%253E%257C%2BFlickr%2B-%2BPhoto%2BSharing%2521&b=31&ni=200&no=42&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11kpjbk9h&sigb=13qt5mqae&sigi=11nj0kjej&.crumb=mwQDKrmi552" rel="nofollow">Undated photos</a> of <a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoQwHoEhRIB0Aw5KJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Droman%2Bsalute%2Bimages%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D20&w=701&h=358&imgurl=www.romanempire.net%2Fromepage%2Fimages%2FArtGallery%2FBattlePics%2F2001%2Fsalute.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.romanempire.net%2Fromepage%2FArtGallery%2Fbattle_pics_2001.htm&size=57.5+KB&name=Thanks+for+the+FANTASTIC+time+at+Ragnarok+XVI!+Rome+salutes+you!&p=roman+salute+images&oid=0370ea8c9253959756ed0eaf6a551c70&fr2=&fr=&tt=Thanks%2Bfor%2Bthe%2BFANTASTIC%2Btime%2Bat%2BRagnarok%2BXVI%2521%2BRome%2Bsalutes%2Byou%2521&b=0&ni=200&no=20&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1238t64fc&sigb=13240qhhm&sigi=129raaevb&.crumb=mwQDKrmi552" rel="nofollow">legionaries</a> giving the <a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A2KJkK32nEhRS2IApsiJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Droman%2Blegionnaire%2Bsalute%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DSearch%26fr%3Dytff-sunm%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D58&w=1026&h=750&imgurl=www.legionsix.org%2FEvents%2FMAC%2FMAC06%2Fimages_MAC06%2FFM06%2520hailcaesar.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legionsix.org%2FEvents%2FMAC%2FMAC06%2FFort%2520Mac%25202006.htm&size=233.7+KB&name=Praetorians+Jim+and+Ramon+%3Cb%3Esalute+%3C%2Fb%3Etheir+Imperator.&p=roman+legionnaire+salute&oid=4e0b39cb981720f5dcb71c3608248ebf&fr2=&fr=ytff-sunm&tt=Praetorians%2BJim%2Band%2BRamon%2B%253Cb%253Esalute%2B%253C%252Fb%253Etheir%2BImperator.&b=31&ni=200&no=58&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11v98abcl&sigb=13t1843ss&sigi=125gboe7u&.crumb=mwQDKrmi552" rel="nofollow">Roman salute</a>.<br /><br />Legionaries, especially those recruited from subject peoples like the Celts, Germans and Illyrians, often attached swastika charms (symbols of their respective deities) along with unit and commendation badges to their sword belts.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68857532335930445762013-03-19T12:27:18.120-05:002013-03-19T12:27:18.120-05:00You know, this reminds me of another Pandora's...You know, this reminds me of another Pandora's Box: Urban Dictionary.<br /><br />At this rate, all gestures and language will be banned in order to protect a diverse cluster of sensitivities.<br /><br />With the gesture ban, we will be immobilized.<br /><br />With a language ban, we will be silenced.<br /><br />Forward... to dysfunctional convergence.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70734163727067495522013-03-19T12:21:51.575-05:002013-03-19T12:21:51.575-05:00It happens every day.
Hitler, Obama, Clinton, Bus...It happens every day.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+nazi+salute&hl=en&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=751IUZv5JYrgyQGW8IFo&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1043&bih=820" rel="nofollow">Hitler, Obama, Clinton, Bush, et al offer the "Nazi" salute</a><br /><br />Since the guy was banned for life, I assume that this is a serious issue.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19710811746014685702013-03-19T11:58:30.419-05:002013-03-19T11:58:30.419-05:00I've seen a photograph of an old statue.
Some...I've seen a photograph of an old statue.<br /><br />Some guy named Augustus is giving the Nazi salute. Or a good imitation of it.<br /><br />Should those be removed from Greece? from Italy?SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043843405366080460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15852947727420577082013-03-19T11:49:58.880-05:002013-03-19T11:49:58.880-05:00Funny how all decent, respectable people are suppo...<i>Funny how all decent, respectable people are supposed to be so scandalized by Golden Dawn and its like. (Because we all know where that sort of thing leads!) Communist parties have held seats in European parliaments since forever, and nobody loses jobs for supporting them. (Eggs, omelettes, what's the problem?)</i><br /><br />Yes the Left has been entirely hypocritical on the subject, but the proper response is to run the Communists out of politics, not allow the Fascists in.<br /><br />Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76402346821973145182013-03-19T11:47:53.168-05:002013-03-19T11:47:53.168-05:00It's funny that many who rightly abhor the end...It's funny that many who rightly abhor the end-of-the-line National Socialists of 1930's Germany, seem completely unconcerned about the current train track the American Progressives are locked on to.SomeoneHasToSayIthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648946322945404947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3704339195499448462013-03-19T11:42:29.188-05:002013-03-19T11:42:29.188-05:00He's an idiot and the ban is fully deserved. L...<i>He's an idiot and the ban is fully deserved. Later he went on Twitter and claimed he was "pointing" at at team mate in the stands who was recovering from an injury.<br /><br />Ever heard of the Golden Dawn party in Greece?</i><br /><br />Funny how all decent, respectable people are supposed to be so scandalized by Golden Dawn and its like. (Because we all know where that sort of thing leads!) Communist parties have held seats in European parliaments since forever, and nobody loses jobs for supporting them. (Eggs, omelettes, what's the problem?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30657111609293916662013-03-19T11:40:19.409-05:002013-03-19T11:40:19.409-05:00tacotaco said...
before people start making ridicu...tacotaco said...<br />before people start making ridiculous statements, please remember that none of us likely knows about the Greek education system, the way that system interacts with youth sport training, Greek popular culture, or the meaning that the Nazi salute holds in Greek society.<br /><br />unless you're actually from Greece. In that case, please go ahead with the ridiculous statements<br /><br />3/19/13, 8:13 AM<br /><br />You may have missed studying in history that Greece was brutally occupied by the Nazi's during WW2. I could be wrong but I rather doubt that fact isn't taught in Greek schools.cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59258916585745550442013-03-19T11:29:13.537-05:002013-03-19T11:29:13.537-05:00I would guess that ignorance more than malice moti...I would guess that ignorance more than malice motivates most human affairs, but it's difficult to say absolutely either way--especially among soccer players and fans. Such people seem to have such infinite reserves of ignorance and malice that it's hard to measure which the prime determinant of their behavior......The kid apologized. If he doesn't have any affiliation with far right groups, I would accept his plea of ignorance. A lifetime ban seems extreme. Beyond that it gives the salute a dark potency that will only make it more appealing to the assholes.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25567701374961741392013-03-19T11:28:56.518-05:002013-03-19T11:28:56.518-05:00"Are Nazis still this dangerous?"
Only ...<i>"Are Nazis still this dangerous?"</i><br /><br />Only Illinois Nazis.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66372909695744987332013-03-19T11:26:55.266-05:002013-03-19T11:26:55.266-05:00Why is this ONLY a Nazi salute? Why can't it ...Why is this ONLY a Nazi salute? Why can't it also be another type of salute?<br />Are Nazis still this dangerous?Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.com