tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8761073873605709721..comments2024-03-29T09:15:16.256-05:00Comments on Althouse: South African president Jacob Zuma said owning a dog is part of "white culture."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79749756156391771862012-12-28T13:57:40.247-06:002012-12-28T13:57:40.247-06:00Rusty said...
That stain on living room carpet, f...Rusty said...<br /><br /><i>That stain on living room carpet, for one thing.</i><br /><br />Now, unless your dog is a Beagle, that stain is a direct result of you thinking you can "command" a dog not to pee or poop when it needs to and has made that perfectly clear to you... "-)) <br /><br />If the dog is a Beagle, it is because you had the audacity to tell it anything what-so-ever...and it felt a need to give you an object lesson. Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34907317450981361812012-12-28T13:51:27.390-06:002012-12-28T13:51:27.390-06:00Freeman Hunt said...
Wouldn't dogs fit nicel...Freeman Hunt said... <br /><br /><i>Wouldn't dogs fit nicely among the other entries in Stuff White People Like? It's not a knock on dogs, but treating dogs like family members does seem to be more of a white thing...</i><br /><br />Well, okay now...I'm not ashamed of being white. :-))<br /><br />However, I don't treat dogs like family members...I like dogs better than most family members. Now our cat, "NitWit" is more like family members at times. <br /><br />As for "showing up" with our dogs in tow...never happen. It'd be unkind to the dogs. Unless a host specifically asks for us to bring our dogs, they stay home.<br /><br />Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18502314384190526222012-12-28T13:38:39.865-06:002012-12-28T13:38:39.865-06:00bagoh20 said...
"So rather than anthropomorph...bagoh20 said...<br />"So rather than anthropomorphizing animals you are devolving humans into something less than animals."<br /><br />Just put human history side by side with canines' and tell me what dogs have to be ashamed of.<br /><br /><br />That stain on living room carpet, for one thing.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27130650436046854622012-12-28T13:38:01.496-06:002012-12-28T13:38:01.496-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37029781912253548132012-12-28T13:16:25.505-06:002012-12-28T13:16:25.505-06:00Darleen said ...
So rather than anthropomorphizin...Darleen said ...<br /><br /><i>So rather than anthropomorphizing animals you are devolving humans into something less than animals.</i><br /><br />I think you mean well, but you do not understand what I have said. Your stumbling block, for lack of a better term, is the issue of "superiority" and who has it. <br /><br />No where did I say humans are inferior to animals. We all have capabilities which can be advantageous or disastrous. In terms of morality or whatever you want to call it...name an animal species with a worse record than humans? <br /><br />Actually, meaning well, or not, you have little grasp of animals per se. You've said they lack free will and can't be moral or immoral. That is a rather superficial statement regarding higher order social mammals in general. <br /><br />Let's call "serial killing" and immoral act. Usually even apex predators do not "serial kill" and leave the carcases to rot....BUT, some do. It is psychological and most often a result of lack of socialization and maturation under guidance of mature animals. Wolves are capable of serial killing if their pack structures are broken up and if the mature members are killed off. The young then have no guidance and no concept of pack morality. Does the cliche' "waste not, want not" apply to wolves? After all, they essentially teach it to their young. <br /><br />There is another reason mature predators like wolves don't abide serial killing of prey...it is a cost/risk to a pack because in every attack on prey there is a risk of injury or death to the attacker. <br /><br />Animals do teach their young complex rules of behavior, call it what you like. It has even been shown to be an issue with elephants when they were removed from the herd too young. <br /><br />Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53573003573732549422012-12-28T11:43:26.681-06:002012-12-28T11:43:26.681-06:00Renee said...
I agree, I had prime rib for Christ...Renee said...<br /><br /><i>I agree, I had prime rib for Christmas. Yum!... And if I had to, could kill for food.</i><br /><br />Good for you. Have you ever killed for food? Even just as a farmer or rancher? I don't think you grasped what I meant here. Look up how Native Americans viewed the animals they ate...then try Temple Grandin for further viewpoints. <br /><br /><i>Cats and dogs are now bred only for companionship.</i><br /><br />Oh, really? Tell that to the cattle and sheep ranchers on the high plains and the various working dog groups among police and rescue agencies. <br /><br /><i>Dogs and cats could be bred for food, if we wished as well.</i><br /><br />No "could be" about it. Dogs are raised for food in several Asian countries, where some consider it a delicacy. They also roast bugs and eat poisonous fish in some areas. I've lived there, in fact...and it is <i>their</i> custom not mine. <br /><br />Speaking of eating dog or cat, have you ever visited Korea and eaten the little dumplings called "Yakimondu" from the ubiquitous kiosks and street vendors? If so, do you think they shop at the butcher shop for pork or beef? While there did you notice the surprising lack of feral or loose dogs and cats? <br /><br /><br /><i>Interesting how we choose how some species adapt to our will as human beings.</i> <br /><br />Do you really think humans made all the selections for adaptation? How about the wolf that one day decided humans had food and he'd like to share some of it. He first stole it, but later figured out he could have more if he "adapted" as you say...and you think humans are the smarter? :-)) <br /><br /><i>Pets do not replace relationships with human beings.</i><br /><br />Now, you know I never said that or anything close to it. I said, simply, that in most instances I can trust a dog or horse with my back more than most humans. No dog or horse has ever shot at me. Can't say that about humans. <br /><br /> <br /> Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17569423849424931422012-12-28T11:21:02.540-06:002012-12-28T11:21:02.540-06:00Leland said...
I presume you are unable to compr...Leland said... <br /><br /><i>I presume you are unable to comprehend what I wrote. You certainly haven't shown understanding. How sad for you.</i><br /><br />English is my first language. I understand what you wrote just fine. You see humans as superior to other animals. I see humans holding a place, but not superior....in that without animals we humans would long ago have died out. So we disagree. <br /><br />Now if there is some esoteric meaning I missed, please illuminate it here. Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52327226976091492812012-12-28T07:54:14.717-06:002012-12-28T07:54:14.717-06:00Wouldn't dogs fit nicely among the other entri...Wouldn't dogs fit nicely among the other entries in Stuff White People Like? It's not a knock on dogs, but treating dogs like family members does seem to be more of a white thing. Look at Facebook; white people are always posting pictures of their dogs. If someone shows up at your house with his dog under the assumption that of course his dog should be allowed in with him as though it were a person, it's going to be a white guy. (Probably a white guy in a North Face jacket.)Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65541311193262385832012-12-28T07:15:36.820-06:002012-12-28T07:15:36.820-06:00My wife had dogs as pets when she was growing up i...My wife had dogs as pets when she was growing up in the Philippines. When they came up limping, they went into the pot. I'm told dog adobo is delicious and short-haired dog tastes better than long-haired dog for some reason.<br /><br />When she hears of people spending thousands of dollars on medical treatment for their pets, she just shakes her head and says, "Americans are crazy!"Larry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07005320430740976182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50342249552656834442012-12-28T06:17:37.605-06:002012-12-28T06:17:37.605-06:00"Second, you are in denial. We don't leav..."Second, you are in denial. We don't leave animals alone, we take advantage of them."<br /><br />I agree, I had prime rib for Christmas. Yum! <br /><br />And if I had to, could kill for food.<br /><br />Cats and dogs are now bred only for companionship. Dogs and cats could be bred for food, if we wished as well. Interesting how we choose how some species adapt to our will as human beings. <br /><br /><br />Pets do not replace relationships with human beings. Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2214980318388791082012-12-28T01:40:00.712-06:002012-12-28T01:40:00.712-06:00I thought Howard was either drunk-commenting or si...I thought Howard was either drunk-commenting or simply a lunatic, but a little research indicated that he might be right.<br /><br />Consider <a href="http://vw.communityvet.co.za" rel="nofollow">this graphic evidence</a> of dog-on-black-South-African violence, for example.Chip S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13210586187250159751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84891958488598866732012-12-28T00:59:05.731-06:002012-12-28T00:59:05.731-06:00Look, I understand. Freedom is not for everybody....Look, I understand. Freedom is not for everybody. Only us dog-loving Celtic Vikings. Perhaps "you people" forget that people in South Afrika were treated like the blacks of South Afrika treat dogs. People.<br /><br />And some of you remmington rangers brag of 19th century kill ratios against an iron-age foe. Fish in a barrel is the only kind of chances you C-words would ever take. Such is the fear and depression of a lonely teabagger living on Mom's service porch. <br /><br />Perhaps you are too coddled and weak to truly understand how and why the black man fears and hates dogs. The canine brothers of the Viking/Celt overlord has a thing for the sight and smell of people of colour. All dogs love me and my dog smell... does that make me a brave warrior or is it just an accident of my birth?<br /><br />Onward, Christian Soldiers! <br /><br />Yeah, it's easy to sit here in my fracked natural gas heated schloss, running patches through the precise rifling of my Springfield, enjoying a nice Chianti with my shade-grown, organic fava beans and think that the South Afrikan Black is an inferior subhuman who fears and hates dogs.<br /><br />If that is what it takes for you "men" to get wood, I'm sure it makes the Kleenex happy.<br /><br /> Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01048255624944551506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13364226800974102822012-12-28T00:24:17.718-06:002012-12-28T00:24:17.718-06:00"If lovin you is wrong, I don't want to b..."If lovin you is wrong, I don't want to be right"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51294316308045735092012-12-28T00:06:14.596-06:002012-12-28T00:06:14.596-06:00Shouting Thomas suggests asking: How about trying ...Shouting Thomas suggests asking: <i>How about trying "pragmatic judgment?"<br /><br />That will clarify things for you, I think. If you know how to make that distinction.</i><br /><br />Same difference ST. Lefties just can't pass <i>any</i> judgement on Africa. It's given a pass to fuck itself up. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21501239956815545412012-12-27T23:33:29.186-06:002012-12-27T23:33:29.186-06:00I am proud of all the racial healing that's ha...I am proud of all the racial healing that's happened under Oabama.<br /><br />It's like a miracle.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44393679496548352502012-12-27T23:29:40.107-06:002012-12-27T23:29:40.107-06:00It said he gave examples of people loving animals ...<i>It said he gave examples of people loving animals more than other human beings — letting a dog sit in the cab of a truck while a worker has to sit in the back in the rain, or rushing an animal to the veterinarian while ignoring sick relatives or workers.</i><br /><br />How about flying your dog on Air Force One while your brother lives in a Kenyan slum? Is that a black or white thing?<br /><br />holdfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206911009978107266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58801074777011435072012-12-27T22:56:28.221-06:002012-12-27T22:56:28.221-06:00It used to said that there was no civilization nor...It used to said that there was no civilization north of the Limpopo. Obviously that is no longer true outside of a few enclaves in South Africa. cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62204817689668113542012-12-27T22:48:16.319-06:002012-12-27T22:48:16.319-06:00A well trained human has no more free will than a ...A well trained human has no more free will than a well trained dog. Hitler had plenty of both. At least the dog has a smaller brain as an excuse. I bet Hitler would have a lot harder time getting a dog to kill his fellow dogs for no good reason.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33208714295610041442012-12-27T22:41:52.092-06:002012-12-27T22:41:52.092-06:00"Dogs do not possess free will..."
And ...<i>"Dogs do not possess free will..."</i><br /><br />And people do?.<br /><br />I don't accept either premise, but even if I did. Motive don't matter to me as much as actions, and results.<br /><br />But if they did, I'd have a hard time with the idea that atrocities make us superior because we have a choice and decide to do them?<br />bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4706973413586466342012-12-27T22:36:58.648-06:002012-12-27T22:36:58.648-06:00After spending the last week with family and frien...After spending the last week with family and friends 24/7, I'm pretty sure I prefer a dog's company. I love my family immensely, and I wish this was not the case, but if I am honest, I have to admit that I don't like people. I have never felt the need to be free of a dog's company, while humans often make me want to escape. It may be a defect I have, but I'm OK with that one. I'm a hot mess in a lot of ways, but this is not one I feel bad about. <br /><br />I don't know why people make me so uncomfortable. I'm successful, normal height and weight, no extra appendages, or deformities, and I know enough about a wide range of subjects to converse about most things, but I just don't enjoy it face to face. A forum like this brings more out of me than anything else, and that's still pretty reserved. I think I just don't like people. I love them enough that I want nothing more than to help as many as I can, but I don't like them on an instinctual level.<br /><br />If I was one of the few survivors after the Apocalypse and I just spotted the first other human in months, I would probably run the other way, unless they were hurt and needed me. I've tried to overcome it, but it just is not natural for me. I may be an alien. I mean you no harm, and I really don't want to be taken to your leader. They all seem to be dicks.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76953894900793967562012-12-27T22:29:25.215-06:002012-12-27T22:29:25.215-06:00Darleen, you're a pretty lady.
That is if tha...Darleen, you're a pretty lady.<br /><br />That is if that's really you. We never know in this virtual world, do we?Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56313883780921022662012-12-27T22:28:36.118-06:002012-12-27T22:28:36.118-06:00e.g. I don't hold Hitler's dog responsible...e.g. I don't hold Hitler's dog responsible for being loyal to his master.Darleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430686273729802294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83198787352340648262012-12-27T22:27:32.256-06:002012-12-27T22:27:32.256-06:00bagoh20
Dogs do not possess free will, and hence,...bagoh20<br /><br />Dogs do not possess free will, and hence, have no capacity to act morally (or immorally).<br /><br />Really, what the f*** is the state of our society that this even has to be explained? Darleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430686273729802294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89525078840871938162012-12-27T22:20:33.678-06:002012-12-27T22:20:33.678-06:00"So rather than anthropomorphizing animals yo...<i>"So rather than anthropomorphizing animals you are devolving humans into something less than animals."</i><br /><br />Just put human history side by side with canines' and tell me what dogs have to be ashamed of.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10927745819386423362012-12-27T22:17:39.585-06:002012-12-27T22:17:39.585-06:00William asks: Is it possible for a liberal to pass...<i>William asks: Is it possible for a liberal to pass moral judgement on any activity in Africa other than apartheid?</i><br /><br />Why look at it from a stance of "moral judgment?"<br /><br />How about trying "pragmatic judgment?"<br /><br />That will clarify things for you, I think. If you know how to make that distinction.Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.com