tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8650218855463034078..comments2024-03-19T00:44:18.309-05:00Comments on Althouse: Kathy Griffin tweets a graphic, comparing Phil Robertson and Matthew Shepard — not a victim/victim.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger178125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36088717143042881702013-12-26T13:58:24.654-06:002013-12-26T13:58:24.654-06:00eddie - I'm never going to change my mind on r...eddie - I'm never going to change my mind on religion, gay rights, abortion rights. I'm a strict libertarian on all things.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64726542120320502312013-12-26T12:23:48.248-06:002013-12-26T12:23:48.248-06:00eddie - I'm 37.
Sometimes all it takes is a s...<i>eddie - I'm 37.</i><br /><br />Sometimes all it takes is a single moment to crystallize what has been bubbling in the back of the brain. (and I can tell you are conflicted by your posts)<br /><br />Mine came while I was watching the hate filled Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden performing their High-Tech lynching of Clarence Thomas.<br /><br />There is a good chance that this regime will do something in the next year that will make you think, "Oh....<i>that's</i> what eddie was talking about".eddie willershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624004872700778288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30449520265971967332013-12-25T08:53:38.205-06:002013-12-25T08:53:38.205-06:00Phil Robertson could have simply said 'no comm...<i>Phil Robertson could have simply said 'no comment'.</i><br /><br />Translation: He should have kept his mouth shut if he knew what was good for him.<br /><br /><i>yes, the law does not allow discrimination based on gender/creed/race/religion/sexual orientation.</i> <br /><br />If you really believed that, you would oppose what GLAAD is doing to him, simply because he spoke his <i>religious</i> views out loud. <br /><br />Phil hasn't ever tried to get any gay person fired for advocating gay marriage and equality. But, GLAAD is attacking religious people and trying to ruin their lives, simply for speaking their beliefs out loud. <br /><br />GLAAD are a pack of evil bigots doing to Christians what was once done to them.<br /><br />SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71551133855222019322013-12-25T06:14:36.846-06:002013-12-25T06:14:36.846-06:00It's an obsession. Phil Robertson could have s...<b>It's an obsession. Phil Robertson could have simply said 'no comment'.</b><br /><br />...or the interviewer couldn't have asked the question. Maybe the media is the one obsessed with homosexuality.<br /><br /><b>Michael - the simplest way to get it out of the daily discussions is to grant gays their full civil rights.</b><br /><br />Because that's done well with any other "civil rights movement". God knows there aren't any agitators who make money off of discontent constantly bitching about non-issues and infantilizing their own "protected class" to this day.<br /><br /><b>Drago - yes, the law does not allow discrimination based on gender/creed/race/religion/sexual orientation.</b><br /><br />So, Christians should opt to just enslave themselves?<br /><br />Seems like a bad idea.<br /><br />"Give them their 'civil rights' and, by the way, you should also go ahead and forfeit yours".<br /><br />You're aware that this will simply lead to the backlash to end all backlashes against homosexuals, right?damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72926665617130195132013-12-24T23:09:02.648-06:002013-12-24T23:09:02.648-06:00eddie - I'm 37.eddie - I'm 37.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68869766178823526112013-12-24T23:02:25.643-06:002013-12-24T23:02:25.643-06:00I am not gay, but I believe in gay rights like all...<i>I am not gay, but I believe in gay rights like all 30-somethings.....</i><br /><br />I was an idiot liberal until age 38, so there is still hope for you.eddie willershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624004872700778288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67624549596690696872013-12-24T22:35:02.448-06:002013-12-24T22:35:02.448-06:00As Alex's comments show, the left has decided ...As Alex's comments show, the left has decided to single out evangelical Christians for their hate campaigns. Why would that be? <br /><br />Of all the groups who have fought and died for religious freedom and tolerance, none have ever surpassed the evangelical Christians. The Catholic church did a yeoman's job bringing the invading Germanic tribes together into Western civilization but about 1100 they went off the tracks and set up the Inquisition which persecuted religious dissenters and murdered some of them. The Protestant Reformation was necessary to take Western civilization the next step towards tolerance and freedom which we have today. Islam started out as a regressive religion which has become worse over time. <br /><br />If you want to destroy Western Civilization and set up a tyranny like the leftists do it is essential to destroy the Religious group which is least likely to buckle and support that tyranny. That would be the Evangelical Christians.Illuninatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423190828865695564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73338419799561575452013-12-24T22:19:02.018-06:002013-12-24T22:19:02.018-06:00Alex said...
"Catholics are not hostile to ga...Alex said...<br />"Catholics are not hostile to gays, but Muslims are,"<br /><br />You have morphed from "gay rights" to hostile to gays. That is a big jump. Does the Catholic church support "gay rights" in the sense you mean or not? <br />Illuninatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423190828865695564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17804011087079683792013-12-24T22:13:28.910-06:002013-12-24T22:13:28.910-06:00Catholics are not hostile to gays, but Muslims are...Catholics are not hostile to gays, but Muslims are.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84882810666280770552013-12-24T22:11:30.767-06:002013-12-24T22:11:30.767-06:00Alex said...
"I am not gay, but I believe in...Alex said...<br /><br />"I am not gay, but I believe in gay rights like all 30-somethings who are not Evangelical Christians."<br /><br />Why have you singled out the evangelical Christians? In what way are evangelical Christians more hostile to "gay rights" than Catholics and Muslims? <br /> <br />Illuninatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423190828865695564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40640988521712016132013-12-24T22:05:06.421-06:002013-12-24T22:05:06.421-06:00I am not gay, but I believe in gay rights like all...I am not gay, but I believe in gay rights like all 30-somethings who are not Evangelical Christians.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59784607559893973002013-12-24T21:55:44.443-06:002013-12-24T21:55:44.443-06:00Drago,
Your civil rights end where Alex's beg...Drago,<br /><br />Your civil rights end where Alex's begin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58617549207208932762013-12-24T21:37:22.901-06:002013-12-24T21:37:22.901-06:00While Shepard was a victim of his choices, Roberts...While Shepard was a victim of his choices, Robertson was a victim of a cult which worships sex, money, and ego.<br /><br />People should be free to be their own victims. However, that right does not extent to other lives.<br /><br />While Christians around the world celebrate life, Democrats celebrate death.<br /><br />Merry Christmas!n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9381923330900103992013-12-24T21:13:04.646-06:002013-12-24T21:13:04.646-06:00Orientation (a state of being of an individual) is...Orientation (a state of being of an individual) is different that an physical act or a relationship with another. <br /><br />Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56822390881797761652013-12-24T21:10:44.744-06:002013-12-24T21:10:44.744-06:00Drago - yes, the law does not allow discrimination...Drago - yes, the law does not allow discrimination based on gender/creed/race/religion/sexual orientation.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52402309170008508622013-12-24T20:35:40.590-06:002013-12-24T20:35:40.590-06:00Alex: "Michael - the simplest way to get it o...Alex: "Michael - the simplest way to get it out of the daily discussions is to grant gays their full civil rights."<br /><br />Do those "full civil rights" include forcing Christians to perform services at homosexual weddings upon pain of loss of business by the state?<br /><br />Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079148433908004715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25617636969680345412013-12-24T20:23:39.555-06:002013-12-24T20:23:39.555-06:00I'm probably too late to weigh in on this case...I'm probably too late to weigh in on this case, but there are problems here. <br /><br />The real hate speech here is by those who are establishing a connection between Phil Robinson to the death of a man whom he didn't know and had never harmed. I know of no instance in which Phil Robinson has ever suggested that anyone should harm homosexuals. That form of hate speech is similar to the charges made against Sara Palin in which the left tried to smear her with the shooting of Gabby Giffords by a deranged man who if anything was a lefty himself.<br /><br />The story about what caused the Mathew Shepard murder has become a lefty myth which is short on facts. There is no proof that the Matthew Shephard murder was related to his sexual orientation. The lack of proof has not stopped the lefties from creating a giant myth with which they are demonizing anyone who does not submit to their agenda. That myth itself is a form of hate speech. Here is a source which calls the lefty myth into question if anyone is interested.<br />http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=4Illuninatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423190828865695564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72526767806827760872013-12-24T20:19:27.312-06:002013-12-24T20:19:27.312-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Illuninatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423190828865695564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35356172545309494042013-12-24T20:16:16.123-06:002013-12-24T20:16:16.123-06:00Ann, I think you made a noble and reasonable effor...Ann, I think you made a noble and reasonable effort to thread the needle on how our speech is classified by others, particularly those who disagree. In general, you always seem to exhibit a tendency to be reasonable and find a path. But you expect too much. <br /><br />Once you begin the process of parsing out what is (and what is not) hate speech, you have to begin with an assumption of generalized goodwill. I do not make that assumption. I do not believe for a second that when folks label something as hate speech, that they are making a moral statement. You said it best. They are making rhetorical and political statements. <br /><br />From there, you descend into lawmaking and achieving political objectives. <br /><br />While I think you are almost always reasonable, I think you are also usually unrealistic. <br /><br />- Krumhorn<br />Krumhornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01196023921287085693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47054266788870967822013-12-24T19:53:24.393-06:002013-12-24T19:53:24.393-06:00But .marriage public policy was about obligation n...But .marriage public policy was about obligation not rights.<br /><br />Even the highest court in New York upheld that in 2006, heterosexual behavior is naturally ordered in creating a child and obligations of both mom and dad. Sure some heterosexual couples do not have kids and we can't force people to marry but male/female sex leads to children. So we want to encourage marriage for specific reason. <br /><br />What leads to the state having an interest in a relationship? If it involves an obligation. <br /><br />Even gay atheist children have a mom and dad... <br /><br />Right? <br /><br />You can ignore an obligation, but you can not make it vanish or silence it. <br /><br />It isn't a right to deny an obligation. <br /><br />Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2084208463570115042013-12-24T19:36:09.032-06:002013-12-24T19:36:09.032-06:00Alex. Spot on old chum. Is your horse named smug a...Alex. Spot on old chum. Is your horse named smug and your saddle named sanctimony or is it the other way around racist and homophobic turd?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73158029526263450262013-12-24T19:33:47.259-06:002013-12-24T19:33:47.259-06:00Amazing how easy it is to expose the Althouse comm...Amazing how easy it is to expose the Althouse commetariat as bigots. They just do it on their own with hardly any prodding.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65102015723807000612013-12-24T19:32:05.245-06:002013-12-24T19:32:05.245-06:00Alex said...
"the simplest way to get it out...Alex said...<br /><br />"the simplest way to get it out of the daily discussions is to grant gays their full civil rights."<br /><br />You mean, including the right to decide who gets to have a job?<br /><br />Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55756351506263044622013-12-24T19:30:22.253-06:002013-12-24T19:30:22.253-06:00Alex. No, I think I will continue tomdeny them the...Alex. No, I think I will continue tomdeny them their rights, that being in my power,of course. Nothing gives me more pleasure unless it is my taking your personal share of the financial pie which I will make a point to do in 2014. <br /><br />Cheers. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47995389633360467942013-12-24T19:23:17.362-06:002013-12-24T19:23:17.362-06:00Therein lies the rub, eh Elliot?
Once you acknowl...Therein lies the rub, eh Elliot?<br /><br />Once you acknowledge the choice, now you have to cry to the heavens, "But it isn't fair! Sex feels so good! How could it possibly be sinful?!"<br /><br />But at least now we can move the argument forward, instead of claiming they have no choice in the matter.<br /><br />Yes, we all have a choice.<br /><br />But is it fair? What if your only sexual satisfaction comes from gay sex? What if your only satisfaction comes from bestiality? What if your only sexual satisfaction comes from rape? What if your only satisfaction comes from pederasty?<br /><br />Life, it's so unfair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com