tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8420969388619744348..comments2024-03-29T09:21:53.806-05:00Comments on Althouse: Does Wisconsin Secretary of State Doug La Follette have the power to delay publication of the collective-bargaining law until June 28th?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90213065250250814832011-06-16T17:05:46.303-05:002011-06-16T17:05:46.303-05:00I see Mahal is once again resorting to his sole rh...I see Mahal is once again resorting to his sole rhetorical tool: slander.Cincinnatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10424218376882403880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39962406226432511242011-06-16T08:21:37.778-05:002011-06-16T08:21:37.778-05:00Garage Mahal said "....and they're spooke...Garage Mahal said "....and they're spooked about..."<br /><br />RACIST!!Michael Hazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261384414481528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66117567192420664192011-06-16T07:18:21.371-05:002011-06-16T07:18:21.371-05:00garage: it's also why they passed legislation...garage: <i> it's also why they passed legislation making Wisconsin the hardest state in the union to vote.</i><br /><br />Stop cheating and we won't have to make it "harder" to vote.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10887380587286813182011-06-16T07:13:41.445-05:002011-06-16T07:13:41.445-05:00Why do Althouse hillbillies HATE democracy?
Beca...<i>Why do Althouse hillbillies HATE democracy? </i><br /><br />Because we saw what it did to Athens. We don't hate it, we "hillbillies" are just wise enough to prefer a Republic.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67879538464614473652011-06-15T22:16:20.201-05:002011-06-15T22:16:20.201-05:00@garage: I'm tired of a lot of things. Most ...@garage: I'm tired of a lot of things. Most of all, I am tired of irresponsible government.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3057286419061528012011-06-15T22:06:01.640-05:002011-06-15T22:06:01.640-05:00The great name of LaFollette
True, though the old...<i>The great name of LaFollette</i><br /><br />True, though the old LaFollette progressives, like circa 30s, would have probably rallied some of the local farmers (who hated the GOP-banker party in those days--) and workers and rolled Walker and company during a campaign stop and tossed his pretty-boy scab-ass in a grain silo.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21247522147839172892011-06-15T21:49:57.153-05:002011-06-15T21:49:57.153-05:00Why do Althouse hillbillies HATE democracy?Why do Althouse hillbillies HATE democracy?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23686820991436432752011-06-15T21:40:06.539-05:002011-06-15T21:40:06.539-05:00OK, we're now in the information society. So,...OK, we're now in the information society. So, the legislature should change the law to something like:<br /><br />"The clerk will post the new law to the official website of the legislature within one day of passage, whereupon the law will take effect on the next business day." <br /><br />That will nicely remove the power from the perview of the SoS.wGraveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12286075477511210495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33221684703554395042011-06-15T20:08:04.979-05:002011-06-15T20:08:04.979-05:00Hmmm..... Does the WI State Atty General have t...Hmmm..... Does the WI State Atty General have the power to arrest the Sec'y of State for criminal malfeasance? And if the WI State Police refuse to arrest the Sec'y of State LaFollette, can the WI National Guard be ordered by the Governor to do so?<br /><br />My cousin's husband is a Brigadier Gen. in the WI Nat'l Guard and is predisposed to follow the Gov's orders in this respect. And when are they going to clear the scum of the earth out of the State Capitol Bldg?dave in bocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164227301361227792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55467328796441094862011-06-15T19:13:56.361-05:002011-06-15T19:13:56.361-05:00I wrote this over at Legal Insurrection on March 2...I wrote this over at Legal Insurrection on March 27th.<br />http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/03/wisconsin-judge-expands-tro-prohibits.html?showComment=1301443910651#c686050467638104158<br /><br /><br />The Wisconsin Constitution<br /><br />Enactment of laws. SECTION 17. [As amended April 1977]<br />(1) The style of all laws of the state shall be “The people of the<br />state of Wisconsin, represented in senate and assembly, do enact<br />as follows:”.<br />(2) No law shall be enacted except by bill. No law shall be<br />in force until published.<br />(3) The legislature shall provide by law for the speedy publication<br />of all laws.<br />[...]<br />In order for the legislature to create a law, the proposed law must be enacted by<br />bill and be published. For some action to be sufficient to constitute publication, that<br />action must be evaluated in light of the purpose publication seeks to achieve, i.e.,<br />was the public provided with sufficient notice of the law that is being enacted or<br />amended. The publication requirement is meant to avoid the situation where the<br />people have their rights sacrificed by the operation of laws that they are bound to<br />know, but have no means of knowing. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel v. DOA, 2009<br />WI 79, 319 Wis. 2d 439, 768 N.W.2d 700, 07−1160.<br />The state legislature cannot constitutionally adopt prospective federal legislation<br />by reference. 63 Atty. Gen. 229.<br />Article VII, sec. 21 [17] requires full text publication of all general laws, and<br />publication of an abstract or synopsis of such laws would not be sufficient. <b>Methods<br />other than newspaper publication, under 985.04, may be utilized to give public<br />notice of general laws.</b><br /><br /><br /><br />Section 35.095 (3) (a) has had different language in the past<br /><br />Up to 1981 it read.<br /><br />"35.095 (3) (a) Every law shall be published once in the official state paper within 10 working days after its date of enactment"<br /><br />Then from 1981 to 1991 it read.<br /><br />"35.095 (3) (a) The secretary of state shall publish every act and every portion of an act which is enacted by the<br />legislature over the governor's veto within 10 working days after its date of enactment ."<br /><br />Then in 1991 it was changed to.<br /><br />"35.095 (3) (a) The legislative reference bureau shall<br />publish every act and every portion of an act which is enacted by<br />the legislature over the governor’s partial veto within 10 working<br />days after its date of enactment.<br /><br />I've bolded a part that is pertinent as it has been held that methods other than newspaper may be used to "publish" a law and as the history of the "publish" section of the law shows it is the legislative reference bureau that publishes laws. Something they have already done back in March for this law.geoffbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13938430350029694575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41284215665480981712011-06-15T18:41:23.739-05:002011-06-15T18:41:23.739-05:00If Sumi's rulings were void from inception the...If Sumi's rulings were void from inception then we revert to LaFollette's last lawful act which was to designate March 25 as the date of publication. The law becomes effective the day after the date designated for publication, not the actual date of publication, but only after the act is published. The act becomes effective upon publication, whenver that is, retroactively to March 26. <br /><br />See Wis. Stat. Sec. 991.11 "Effective date of acts. Every act and every portion of an act enacted by the legislature over the governor's partial veto which does not expressly prescribe the time when it takes effect shall take effect on the day after its date of publication <b><i>as designated</i></b> under s. 35.095 (3) (b)." (emphasis added)Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06887076501394879888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59938477298614288932011-06-15T18:39:03.293-05:002011-06-15T18:39:03.293-05:00What is his evil motive in influencing elections i...<i>What is his evil motive in influencing elections in Wisconsin? Notice how I said evil several times?</i><br /><br />Sinister motives. FTFYchickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65991781205780912842011-06-15T18:35:09.972-05:002011-06-15T18:35:09.972-05:00Trochilus said...
But the delay until the 28th i...Trochilus said... <br /><br /><i>But the delay until the 28th is an intentional stick in the eye move by La Follette. He is toying with contempt and/or impeachment.</i><br /><br />I don't think so. In March, he delayed publication as long as possible so as to give time for a claim to be filed with Judge Sumi. This is not a stick in the eye, it's exactly the same delaying tactic. He wants time for another judicial intervention.Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51359828187322566102011-06-15T18:18:36.303-05:002011-06-15T18:18:36.303-05:00t-man ... 6/15/11 1:19 PM
Precisely. It was pub...<b>t-man</b> ... 6/15/11 1:19 PM <br /><br />Precisely. It was published. <br /><br />Judge Sumi's order attempted to undue the actual publication which was completed at the time.<br /><br />Publication is not physically performed by the SOS. It is performed by the Legislative bureau that originally published it. The SOS just gives the order to "go ahead."<br /><br />Any other interpretation would be a strained one, based on, well . . . pure fiction. <br /><br />The Court really should have addressed it, even though the issue was not likely briefed and argued.<br /><br />But the delay until the 28th is an intentional stick in the eye move by La Follette. He is toying with contempt and/or impeachment.Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49841913446102686702011-06-15T17:56:46.964-05:002011-06-15T17:56:46.964-05:00The great name of LaFollette is now being used for...The great name of LaFollette is now being used for pissant delay tactics by a third rate pol holding a largely useless office.Oh, misery.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73843177023597942802011-06-15T17:55:07.970-05:002011-06-15T17:55:07.970-05:00In 2006 George Soros donated $65,000 to Fair Wisco...In 2006 George Soros donated $65,000 to Fair Wisconsin in an attempt to evilly force Wisconsinites to accept same-sex marriage against their will. George Soros's residence is listed as New York, NY. What is his evil motive in influencing elections in Wisconsin? Notice how I said evil several times?Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37603363238516378512011-06-15T17:37:59.744-05:002011-06-15T17:37:59.744-05:00Soros contributes to who, exactly, in Wisconsin po...Soros contributes to who, exactly, in Wisconsin politically? <br /><br />I don't know O.M., I would get a little tired of being blamed, as you are, for problems you didn't cause. Even when it hits your paycheck and gets sent not to pay off debt, but just sent to his campaign contributors.garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35275290749484530732011-06-15T17:29:06.802-05:002011-06-15T17:29:06.802-05:00$43,000? What's that? One milliSoros?$43,000? What's that? One milliSoros?Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74235816281007523542011-06-15T17:26:07.989-05:002011-06-15T17:26:07.989-05:00Koch Industries donated $43,000 to Scott Walker...Koch Industries donated $43,000 to Scott Walker's campaign. They were Walker's fifth largest donor. The information is <a href="http://www.followthemoney.org/database/uniquecandidate.phtml?uc=20394&gclid=CI3AkuH3uKkCFQEKbAodPhNg-g" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />That puts Northwestern Mutual Insurance and the Wisconsin Realtors Association a couple of notches higher on the evil scale. Have you protested them lately, <b>garage</b>?<br /><br />In any case, if $43,000 can buy an election, I'll have several. All I need is a second mortgage and I can control any number of states.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86156760195736645842011-06-15T17:21:36.109-05:002011-06-15T17:21:36.109-05:00The SoS can take as long as he wants as far as I&#...The SoS can take as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.<br /><br />The Walker administration should point out, however, that the law was passed by the legislature, signed by the governor, the publication date was specified by the SoS, and was published on that date by the LRB back in March. The law is currently in effect.Ignorance is Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351664545145783244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29558484778860273642011-06-15T17:10:19.705-05:002011-06-15T17:10:19.705-05:00"Maybe it's Republicans realizing they...<i>"Maybe it's Republicans realizing they're jamming down a wish list of right wing think tank legislation on an unwilling population."</i><br /><br />It simplifies everyone's life to understand that when Democrats win an election it's a mandate, when Republicans win it's a trick if not outright fraud. Always. And Democratic contributors are noble patriots, billionaires standing up for the little guy and taking their country back, and they wouldn't dream of using their money to procure the slightest bit of favor for their green, caring, and somehow not evil corporations. Republican campaign contributors like to spit roast nuns whole for fun, right before they turn on their mind control beam that bends voters to their will and order their legislative flunkies to burn down the rain forests, meet their species extinction quota, lynch a few minorities and force people to read the Bible at bayonet point. And that's the <i>nice</i> Rethuglicans.<br /><br />Therefore there is NO moral obligation of the SoS to fulfill his sworn duty, since all of the voters in WI who helped to elect a majority Republican government (and judiciary) are obviously insane or guilty of crimes against humanity (which voting Republican obviously is), or dupes of the Koch brothers/Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin. Therefore their will doesn't count. Elections shouldn't have (conservative) consequences because a lot of you dunces don't know how to vote <i>correctly</i>. You morons can't be trusted with self government. Thank the ungendered, nonpersonified, nondenomenational, general feeling of non-Christian spirituality for the Democratic Party, or you rubes wouldn't have anyone to tell you what was good for you.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12624154481653216961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63242725475084102902011-06-15T17:06:02.603-05:002011-06-15T17:06:02.603-05:00"You just don't like that fact being brou...<i>"You just don't like that fact being brought up."</i><br /><br />Can't speak for others, but it's not clear to me why I should care.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50620348920342983142011-06-15T17:04:45.258-05:002011-06-15T17:04:45.258-05:00"It's not exactly a secret" translat..."It's not exactly a secret" translates to "I can't prove it, only assert it and hope no one notices."Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9527484248947994992011-06-15T17:00:04.455-05:002011-06-15T17:00:04.455-05:00The SOS is our Quasimodo. He lurks in the capital...The SOS is our Quasimodo. He lurks in the capital dome in the late hours of the night. Brett Hulsey is his dancing gypsy.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02194507454261920879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82345960264909091662011-06-15T16:55:30.255-05:002011-06-15T16:55:30.255-05:00You know Garage I wonder if you've been assign...<i><br />You know Garage I wonder if you've been assigned the Althouse blog by some larger liberal group</i><br /><br />It's not exactly a secret the Kochs heavily back Walker in many ways. You just don't like that fact being brought up.garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.com