tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8375921956510189098..comments2024-03-19T07:45:47.298-05:00Comments on Althouse: "1 in 4 South African men... said they had raped someone, and nearly half of them admitted more than one attack."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61804008973565870402009-06-20T20:26:01.876-05:002009-06-20T20:26:01.876-05:00Me, I'd be curious to know what the rape and g...Me, I'd be curious to know what the rape and gang rape rate and overall rape situation was in the years before 1994, when everything changed in S Africa, politically speaking, and oh so much supposedly for the better.Swifty Quickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748423525653804001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45868913487437893122009-06-20T17:36:05.835-05:002009-06-20T17:36:05.835-05:00Americans always have a hard time accepting that, ...Americans always have a hard time accepting that, cross-culturally, women like to be dominated.<br /><br />Although, even in America, I'm not sure why rape as a fetish should be illegal, ---given all the other perversions and proclivaties normal, everyday, men who mow their lawns and pay their taxes---routinely engage in.<br /><br />Actually, many an upstanding gentleman likes being dominated by a "lady friend" as well, I'm sure.<br /><br />My manicurist told me two, and three, inch arcrylics are back in fashion.....and we all know the reason why !<br /><br />Love,<br />MaxineMaxine Weisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18164122931399241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80424702448035341052009-06-20T12:06:40.038-05:002009-06-20T12:06:40.038-05:00Human rights appearing as a priori is a Western id...<i>Human rights appearing as a priori is a Western idea, not a universal idea.<br /><br />Too bad if you've been underminding the West and now don't like the consequences</i>.<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Why is it that the cool thing to do right now is to undermine anything that is successful? What are the best places to live in the world? Are all of these places part of the West culture or heavily influenced by Western culture? Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to throw it away then.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25661258309120947882009-06-20T11:40:56.451-05:002009-06-20T11:40:56.451-05:00On people who rape babies: Shouldn't that meri...On people who rape babies: Shouldn't that merit the death penalty? Isn't that very obviously a bridge so far that once it has been crossed, one can never be a member of a civilized people again?Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23253168766650123752009-06-19T19:54:22.637-05:002009-06-19T19:54:22.637-05:00Aaron,
Many law abiding people are leaving S. Afri...Aaron,<br />Many law abiding people <i>are</i> leaving S. Africa. Even a liberal US newspaper admits it. If you want to read a disturbing novel about this, read Disgrace by Coetzee. I hated the book, but it's about this subject.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2008/12/23/crime_drives_south_africa_emigration/" rel="nofollow">Violence fuels emigration</a><br /><br />A question that should be addressed some day is, what is the causal connection between crime and civil rights. Is there one?PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59929899765093610802009-06-19T19:07:25.541-05:002009-06-19T19:07:25.541-05:00Human rights appearing as a priori is a Western id...Human rights appearing as a priori is a Western idea, not a universal idea.<br /><br />Too bad if you've been underminding the West and now don't like the consequences.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33455014676999664582009-06-19T18:49:58.881-05:002009-06-19T18:49:58.881-05:00Apparently a lot of South African women are lying ...Apparently a lot of South African women are lying back and enjoying it.<br /><br />Perhaps they've been taking lessons from Maxine?paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9269102368108073152009-06-19T18:38:32.557-05:002009-06-19T18:38:32.557-05:00There are certain parts of Europe where what in th...There are certain parts of Europe where what in the USA call rape is, for them, "forced seduction".<br /><br />I think it does a disservice to lump rape in with certain types of horseplay, rough flirting, and sexual/corporal games.<br /><br />Aren't we all supposed to be a little more tolerant of others' bizarre proclivities and peccadiloes ?<br /><br />Love,<br />MaxineMaxine Weisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18164122931399241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36326472912173842212009-06-19T17:44:27.044-05:002009-06-19T17:44:27.044-05:00Pogo said...
The absence of Greece and Jerusalem....Pogo said... <br />The absence of Greece and Jerusalem.<br /><br />No, the absence of <b>capacity</b> to create another Greece or Jerusalem (or Chin Dynasty, or Ur, or a Mesoamerican civilization)Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64859912491050352542009-06-19T17:02:58.134-05:002009-06-19T17:02:58.134-05:00The absence of Greece and Jerusalem.The absence of Greece and Jerusalem.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84442343824819376472009-06-19T16:50:46.727-05:002009-06-19T16:50:46.727-05:00What the fuck is wrong with Africa?What the fuck is wrong with Africa?Sofa Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07659133819240484346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69497265743759953212009-06-19T16:06:01.671-05:002009-06-19T16:06:01.671-05:00The petulant childish Womyn's studies crowd, a...<i>The petulant childish Womyn's studies crowd, activist feminists in America tend to ignore that because it tends to bring into question "all cultures are equal in merit, all peoples are just as good, smart, and noble as the next."</i><br /><br />Exactly. This is one of my main drumbeats. First of all, I don't understand it from a purely evolutionary point of view (one I don't strictly hold to).<br /><br />If humans are simply the end result of mathematical probability and evolutionary mutation, then how in the word could you ever logically believe that we're all equal in ability, cognitive, athletic, work ethic, or otherwise? Given the way the natural world works, the only way you get that is outside interaction. Otherwise, it's survival of the fittest...which doesn't fit into feminism very well at all.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871331702531675368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1466111495232652292009-06-19T15:24:16.199-05:002009-06-19T15:24:16.199-05:00Jesus.Jesus.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2484107943333543782009-06-19T14:30:50.815-05:002009-06-19T14:30:50.815-05:00I remember that black african soldiers were also i...I remember that black african soldiers were also implicated in tens of thousands of infant rapes of those 4 and under. That was in the Congo, Angola, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast.<br /><br />Rape 'em, rip 'em open, rupture and tear internal organs, then discard when done - leave them to bleed to death.<br /><br />The petulant childish Womyn's studies crowd, activist feminists in America tend to ignore that because it tends to bring into question "all cultures are equal in merit, all peoples are just as good, smart, and noble as the next." Far better to focus their fury on lack of females in American tanks in Iraq, glass ceiling fantasies, and the general unsuitability of men to be around or raise children..Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48362978934740240762009-06-19T14:01:26.291-05:002009-06-19T14:01:26.291-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44983570700867276952009-06-19T13:53:26.135-05:002009-06-19T13:53:26.135-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91957235068538489952009-06-19T13:40:01.519-05:002009-06-19T13:40:01.519-05:00I just want to add - I take no credit for what the...I just want to add - I take no credit for what the students are doing. I just help them find ways to organize and give them a meeting space and so on. Maybe men are devolving, but there's a lot of them fighting that tide.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47503465499121021852009-06-19T13:38:15.280-05:002009-06-19T13:38:15.280-05:00Pogo, thanks. Your points are well-taken. I think ...Pogo, thanks. Your points are well-taken. I think the first step is to make sure that it's understood that counseling on and off campus is available for male survivors of sexual assault and that it's completely private. Just knowing that we know they exist sometimes is enough. <br /><br />I helped a student with not exactly that issue, but something he needed help with and had never spoken with anyone about. He lurked around outside the Women's Center for a week or so, then finally found me in the hallway and asked if he could come in. We have men working there, and participating in programs, but I guess he hadn't seen that. Once he knew he was safe, I was able to connect him with a group of other guys dealing with the same issue. So, your points on "workshop" and privacy are spot on. And yes, we have male counselors as well as female, holding discussions on sex and all those things. There's even a group of college guys who hold peer discussions on campuses around town, on "how to be a man" along the lines you mentioned in your post - they got together in high school when they noticed instances of violence and bullying in dating couples, and continued when they got to our campus.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5492720492662107462009-06-19T13:30:23.409-05:002009-06-19T13:30:23.409-05:00"I now assume that male students on my campus...<i>"I now assume that male students on my campus need the same kind of workshops and information that we provide for women on sexual assault and violence</i>."<br /><br />Excellent thought, as long as you avoid calling them 'workshops'. =)<br /><br />Have men teach it.<br /><br />Don't advise or expect any guys to talk about it, or even want to. At least not in any group setting; the shame is too strong.<br /><br />Use a Code of Honor approach. <br />I was taught by my dad, for example, to never ever hit a girl, and I never have. He considered it unmanly (he was a boxer, BTW).<br /><br />I hope you consider such an endeavor. Men are, IMO, currently devolving.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61048635491562029942009-06-19T13:17:04.786-05:002009-06-19T13:17:04.786-05:00I have always believed that boys are perpetrated a...<i>I have always believed that boys are perpetrated as much as girls but either lie about it or define it differently.</i><br /><br />Trey, I suspect you're right. The recent case in Florida, where several boys were convicted of raping another in their locker room, is an anecdotal example. The rapists admitted it, seemingly unfazed by the whole thing and wondered what the big deal was. I also wonder if the boys who find themselves participating in some sort of group attack are motivated, among other things, by the idea that they're either in the pack, or they're among the likely victims.<br /><br />That made an impression on me, and I now assume that male students on my campus need the same kind of workshops and information that we provide for women on sexual assault and violence. If you have any good references - literature, programs - feel free to email me.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91435642453523299332009-06-19T12:45:53.035-05:002009-06-19T12:45:53.035-05:00So was I, Big Mike. So was I ;-)So was I, Big Mike. So was I ;-)Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14770567470967922082009-06-19T12:41:46.577-05:002009-06-19T12:41:46.577-05:00Over at Feministing the comments have devolved to ...Over at Feministing the comments have devolved to a pissing match on why the West is (culturally) no better than the Third World, even places where things like this rape culture take place.<br /><br />Self-hatred is the raison d'être for the left.Jeff with one 'f'https://www.blogger.com/profile/05744612696537883583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30636749137379459882009-06-19T12:39:42.853-05:002009-06-19T12:39:42.853-05:00Thanks for the link Lars. I'm aware that it is...Thanks for the link Lars. I'm aware that it is a far more violent and dangerous place today. All the same, I think there is much to be said for this observation:<br /><br /><i>"The absolute imperative is we have to change the underlying social attitudes that in a way have created a norm that coercing women into sex is on some level acceptable.... South African men over the centuries have been socialised into forms of masculinity that are predicated on the idea of being strong and tough and the use of force to assert dominance and control over women, as well as other men."</i>Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78395185926359468752009-06-19T12:28:36.905-05:002009-06-19T12:28:36.905-05:00Randy:
Here's a partial answer to some of your...Randy:<br />Here's a partial answer to some of your reservations.<br />http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2009/01/south-african-crime-victims-terrified.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14537113796807757122009-06-19T12:23:33.725-05:002009-06-19T12:23:33.725-05:00@Randy, I was just being humorous. (Or trying, any...@Randy, I was just being humorous. (Or trying, anyway.)<br /><br />Based on the success of my comment I plan to apply for a position as a joke writer for David Letterman (I can hardly be any worse than the crew he's got.)Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.com