tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8283009678112108140..comments2024-03-28T10:13:43.356-05:00Comments on Althouse: Released Guantanamo detainees did not respond to art therapy the way we were hoping.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39625235903539551752010-01-02T15:34:03.493-06:002010-01-02T15:34:03.493-06:00An art therapist's response:
http://www.lizbe...An art therapist's response:<br /><br />http://www.lizbeck.net/2009/12/29/bad-press-artx-and-the-rehabilitation-of-terrorists/insert_name_herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614555643151956695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31668985530619145542009-12-30T15:34:43.921-06:002009-12-30T15:34:43.921-06:00I though Islam was against most forms of represent...<i>I though Islam was against most forms of representational art.<br /><br /></i>Both Jews and Muslims took the proscriptions of Exodus 20:4 to heart.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6790127974817780752009-12-30T15:31:51.092-06:002009-12-30T15:31:51.092-06:00O, if you think Courbet is standard non-shock stuf...O, if you think Courbet is standard non-shock stuff, I'm not sure what else I can say.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480329783749187372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77798353818588179832009-12-30T10:59:53.222-06:002009-12-30T10:59:53.222-06:00I though Islam was against most forms of represent...I though Islam was against most forms of representational art. So the former detainees were most likely not drawing serene scenes of rivers and trees, but geometric or post modern art (throwing paint at canvases) which I doubt would lead them to inner peace and tolerance. Maybe they did photographs, like dunking crosses in urine? Maybe they did diagrams of the best places to place explosives in airliners? <br />As both Auschwitz and the Titanic show, music/art does little to soothe the savage breast and may become the accomplice to mass murder in the wrong hands.showbiz111https://www.blogger.com/profile/09244712411680124158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78060549859504518832009-12-30T10:32:40.938-06:002009-12-30T10:32:40.938-06:00Henry --
"Consider Courbet, Caravaggio, Eaki...Henry --<br /><br />"Consider Courbet, Caravaggio, Eakins."<br /><br />You know, I've considered them. I've also run through a bunch of their work just now. Standard, non-shock stuff (except for that crotch shot of Courbet's). And, oddly, <i>all</i> done with talent and fine technique. <br /><br />"yet all, I think, desire to create work of power and importance."<br /><br />And I strive to write the next great American novel. This means what exactly?Oligonicellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656818633822942314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66799192978330938492009-12-30T10:17:55.772-06:002009-12-30T10:17:55.772-06:00Henry --
"but dwelling on that, I think you...Henry -- <br /><br />"but dwelling on that, I think you miss the bigger point -- that art is not a mechanism to turn murderers into saps."<br /><br />Why on earth would you think I missed that? I was addressing something entirely different. <br /><br />Oh, this might help with why I think these folks are asshats -> <a href="http://torontoist.com/2007/11/thorarinn_ingi.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />That's what you wind up with when your thought processes are such as the quoted artist. Dipshits.Oligonicellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656818633822942314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71355468067870497472009-12-29T22:13:53.048-06:002009-12-29T22:13:53.048-06:00Sounds like the Gitmo detainees could use some &qu...Sounds like the Gitmo detainees could use some "Renoir" therapy.Lawyer Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04487040434589941351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23325839289815801792009-12-29T20:24:58.666-06:002009-12-29T20:24:58.666-06:00"Michael, either you missed my sarcasm, or I&..."Michael, either you missed my sarcasm, or I'm missing yours. Either is likely. And none of it matters."<br /><br />Exactly!Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6080311194321047542009-12-29T18:05:58.592-06:002009-12-29T18:05:58.592-06:00@fls: Hanna: Countries make war. Insurgents make c...@fls: <i>Hanna: Countries make war. Insurgents make civil war. Clubs of random thugs cannot make war on their own.</i><br /><br />Fine so far...<br /><br /><i>Let us attack every country that aids and abets these thugs.</i><br /><br />So you are in favor of wars with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Iraq (until 2003), Iran, Dearborn... it's not plausible that you believe any of that.<br /><br />Doesn't matter what shell I turn over, I will never find the shrivelled pea of the war you're willing to support. Why play?<br /><br />Funny that you think Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act are such abominations but you have no problem with consigning innocent Saudi civilians to a fiery death. You expect anybody to believe that?<br /><br />No doubt you can produce the offical Saudi documents authorizing aid to Al Qaeda terrorists, or those for Pakistan, or whatever imaginary war you're willing to get behind? The people who aid Al Qaeda do so behind plausible deniability, informally and unofficially. Only the Taliban made it official policy. Have you thought about this at all? <br /><br />Ah, but you count on mailmen not to deliver absentee ballots to their customers who have died...Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13293041355736309142009-12-29T17:55:30.195-06:002009-12-29T17:55:30.195-06:00Michael, either you missed my sarcasm, or I'm ...Michael, either you missed my sarcasm, or I'm missing yours. Either is likely. And none of it matters.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20188893838471498272009-12-29T17:47:36.419-06:002009-12-29T17:47:36.419-06:00Screw it. You just can not educate the uneducatabl...Screw it. You just can not educate the uneducatable.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91047532158129092412009-12-29T17:34:06.627-06:002009-12-29T17:34:06.627-06:00The fact that our own government is listening to p...<i>The fact that our own government is listening to people who advocate this kind of thing for terrorists is beyond frightening.<br /><br /></i><b>Our own government?</b> Art therapy is a Saudi government program.<br /><br />Hanna: Countries make war. Insurgents make civil war. Clubs of random thugs cannot make war on their own.<br /><br />Let us attack every country that aids and abets these thugs.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7392812832193354512009-12-29T17:25:33.722-06:002009-12-29T17:25:33.722-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29559957671416525932009-12-29T17:07:19.224-06:002009-12-29T17:07:19.224-06:00@Matt Eckert: Dude I am surely a troll but not a M...@Matt Eckert: <i>Dude I am surely a troll but not a Moby.</i><br /><br />I reluctantly conclude you are not a moby; are you happy to know that when somebody on Kos dredges up comments to prove Ann is a fascist, they'll be putting up yours?<br /><br />Seems to me you'd do our side more good if you kept the extremism to yourself for a bit. Or you can keep inadvertently getting Democrats elected and see where that gets you.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89898760652923719282009-12-29T17:02:27.217-06:002009-12-29T17:02:27.217-06:00Art "therapy" is intended to give an out...Art "therapy" is intended to give an outlet of expression to traumatized or developmentally delayed children (or some developmentally delayed adults). To say it can be used to "rehabilitate" rage-and-ideologically motivated adults is beyond stupid. The fact that our own government is listening to people who advocate this kind of thing for terrorists is beyond frightening.RebeccaHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113907852048577121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33271835795697404572009-12-29T17:01:54.611-06:002009-12-29T17:01:54.611-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13721768243227149232009-12-29T16:41:55.468-06:002009-12-29T16:41:55.468-06:00@fls:Note that the released detainees were Saudis,...@fls:<i>Note that the released detainees were Saudis, the art therapy program was provided by the Saudi government, and the Saudi government said the detainees were rehabilitated.</i><br /><br /><i>Why do none of the conservative commenters here recognize these as provocations demanding that the US declare war on Saudi Arabia? Why does this lot of Islamoids get a free pass from so many patriotic Americans?</i><br /><br />Yeah, you'd get right behind that. Keep trolling with Matt Eckart.<br /><br />Why is it that leftists like you always support Some Other War than the ones already at issue?<br /><br />Oh, I see, you don't actually "support" war with Saudia Arabia. You're attempting "reductio ad absurdum", or maybe you're trying to say that conservatives are hypocrites and that therefore their opinions are invalid, or something.<br /><br />It wasn't "conservatives" who were complaining about the no-fly list or demanding that the innocent shepards in Cuba be released. That's you and and your ilk. But keep trying to dodge responsibility, it's hilarious when you and your ilk have the Presidency and supermajorities in both houses of Congress.<br /><br />Firstly, war is not always the answer. Secondly, I know of no "conservative" who gives Saudi Arabia "a free pass". In fact, you find quite a lot of them sounding like Matt Eckart, who is clearly a Moby troll.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12040720595023547782009-12-29T16:25:44.636-06:002009-12-29T16:25:44.636-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9306772112717148982009-12-29T16:25:10.018-06:002009-12-29T16:25:10.018-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16453517524910159532009-12-29T16:18:09.941-06:002009-12-29T16:18:09.941-06:00Note that the released detainees were Saudis, the ...Note that the released detainees were Saudis, the art therapy program was provided by the Saudi government, and the Saudi government said the detainees were rehabilitated.<br /><br />Why do none of the conservative commenters here recognize these as provocations demanding that the US declare war on Saudi Arabia? Why does this lot of Islamoids get a free pass from so many patriotic Americans?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44514896989244797562009-12-29T15:55:08.759-06:002009-12-29T15:55:08.759-06:00Make a dessert and call it pie.Make a dessert and call it pie.Matt Eckerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197805355101148923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53372938954748718132009-12-29T15:24:01.882-06:002009-12-29T15:24:01.882-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56064212300697046552009-12-29T15:21:50.622-06:002009-12-29T15:21:50.622-06:00Beth - I agree. Well said.Beth - I agree. Well said.Michael Hazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261384414481528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30620165334730758282009-12-29T15:04:29.161-06:002009-12-29T15:04:29.161-06:00And I suppose this "art therapy" was sug...And I suppose this "art therapy" was suggested by the same groups who say that we can get more information from gentler and kinder approaches to interrogation.<br /><br />It seems obvious that someone misinterpreted the meaning of some pretty pictures coming out of Guantanamo.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44812468673262953912009-12-29T14:55:25.223-06:002009-12-29T14:55:25.223-06:00This painting with your penis sounds like a cool h...<i>This painting with your penis sounds like a cool hobby.</i><br /><br />Only if you have <i>a lot</i> of free time. It took me forever, and my house really isn't that big.Ignorance is Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351664545145783244noreply@blogger.com