tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7931581349554643532..comments2024-03-29T03:05:05.850-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Whiteness thus became a method of stigmatizing dissenting ideas, a marker of ideological respectability..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23694103261722375922010-03-28T15:30:37.281-05:002010-03-28T15:30:37.281-05:00"many aspects of Jewish culture were adapted ..."many aspects of Jewish culture were adapted by the community at large and considered to be part of our distinctive regional identity"<br /><br />I'm not sure that's at odds with what I observed. <br /><br />"Think Seinfeld"<br /><br />Interesting that Brandon Tartikoff, a Jewish guy from the northeast himself, initially passed on Seinfeld because it was "too Jewish".Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695896117685218995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4917319786260053762010-03-28T01:00:49.513-05:002010-03-28T01:00:49.513-05:00Why is it that the census considers (for just one ...<i>Why is it that the census considers (for just one example) Cambodians and Vietnamese and Laotians different "races," despite having lived in the same geographic area for millennia, just because someone drew a line on a map a while ago</i><br /><br />Actually, these people believe themselves to be culturally, ethnically, and racially distinct. As do the Thais. But yeah, I do agree that it's lame these distinctions are made but not ones between Italians and Finns.<br /><br /><br />In terms of race being a construct, I don't think it's difficult to deny that. The ancient world did not see race the same way we do. The way that we think of black, white, yellow, etc., would have been strange to the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians. <br /><br />What I do think is interesting is that the gravitation toward "whiteness" is not completely arbitrary in some cultures. Many Asian cultures have a strong preference for lighter skin and features, because darker colors imply exposure to sun and physical labor. In other words, lighter features suggest a higher class.Blue@9https://www.blogger.com/profile/16371286571496793710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1101023607515481172010-03-27T22:06:54.387-05:002010-03-27T22:06:54.387-05:00Why is it that the census considers (for just one ...Why is it that the census considers (for just one example) Cambodians and Vietnamese and Laotians different "races," despite having lived in the same geographic area for millennia, just because someone drew a line on a map a while ago...but everyone from Finland to Italy and Ireland to the Caucasus are considered a unified blob called "white"?<br />And to add to my confusion, why is Spain singled out in all of Europe to be different in getting a "race"?<br />Racial politics are such obvious political manipulation it's insulting.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06880204499159354884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22173596135826522192010-03-27T13:57:12.778-05:002010-03-27T13:57:12.778-05:00I'd say I'm more beige than white, but sin...I'd say I'm more beige than white, but since my ancestors have been in North Carolina since the 1600's, there's a good chance I'm African-American.SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36556770945320008292010-03-27T12:38:42.954-05:002010-03-27T12:38:42.954-05:00@Lem, there are a number of deontological libertar...@Lem, there are a number of deontological libertarians who are opposed to socialism as a matter of principle and would continue to be opposed regardless of the consequences of socialist policies.themightypuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03288837159628526731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45764893867239415312010-03-27T12:34:22.543-05:002010-03-27T12:34:22.543-05:00Only in America can a light skinned, blonde haired...<i>Only in America can a light skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed person who does not physically display any nonwhite ancestry whatsoever nonetheless be classified as a minority because he or she happens to be 1/64th (or even less) black.</i><br /><br />Yes. I was rather pleased to find out recently that there's a very high probability that <i>I'm</i> black.<br /><br />Who'd'a thunk?Charlie Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586506407851173416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73110407912485377852010-03-27T12:33:06.061-05:002010-03-27T12:33:06.061-05:00My wife has red hair. Red all over, as she will po...<i>My wife has red hair. Red all over, as she will point out occasionally.</i><br /><br />Like an Abyssinian cat? That sounds cool!<br /><br />Must cost a fortune in shampoo though.Charlie Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586506407851173416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1862809960146001632010-03-27T12:32:04.802-05:002010-03-27T12:32:04.802-05:00Tradition has it that King David, who it seems had...Tradition has it that King David, who it seems had a gentile great grandmother and a gentile grandmother, was kept out of sight when his family was visited by the High Priest because he was red haired. He went on to gain a good reputation as King of the Jews once he had fought his way for years thru enemies that did not like redhaired warriors one bit. The Lord Jesus is now often referred to as "The Son of David" who shall reign on the throne of David forever. Although the Lord's hair color is unknown, He did love to quote Psalm 110, written by his ancestor David, as the direct prophecy of His own warrior role that he is eager to take up at his second coming. Sounds like a redhead to me.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1555040904032314972010-03-27T12:22:14.669-05:002010-03-27T12:22:14.669-05:00"Having grown up in SF, I've always been ..."Having grown up in SF, I've always been puzzled by the way people from other parts of the country, particularly the northeast, seem to regard Jews as some sort of mysterious group of outsiders. Can anyone from the northeast comment on it's validity?"<br /><br />I was a northeasterner (LI, Western MA, CT) for practically all my life before moving west last year (I'm pushing 60). In most of the places I've lived (in the northeast), not only were Jews *not* considered as a "mysterious group of outsiders," but indeed many aspects of Jewish culture were adapted by the community at large and considered to be part of our distinctive regional identity. (Think Seinfeld) And btw, I'm a gentile (albeit with a last name shared by many Jews as well).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02481892650676228420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27799597058622141932010-03-27T11:02:03.501-05:002010-03-27T11:02:03.501-05:00"While Jews and Italians were nonwhite in the..."While Jews and Italians were nonwhite in the East, they had long been white in San Francisco"<br /><br />I thought this was an interesting point. Having grown up in SF, I've always been puzzled by the way people from other parts of the country, particularly the northeast, seem to regard Jews as some sort of mysterious group of outsiders. Can anyone from the northeast comment on it's validity?Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695896117685218995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56188069903517775742010-03-27T10:52:06.637-05:002010-03-27T10:52:06.637-05:00As my whimsy leads me.. -- i think that for a lar...As my whimsy leads me.. -- i think that for a large number of TPers, this is the case probably. But the signage and some of the rhetoric make we wonder about underlying motives of some of them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16257844485987121058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89431712896925745002010-03-27T10:34:25.857-05:002010-03-27T10:34:25.857-05:00"but most intelligent people now recognize th..."but most intelligent people now recognize the innate superiority of red heads..."<br /><br />Damn, am I sorry for coming in late to this thread!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82681148000978709972010-03-27T10:22:14.196-05:002010-03-27T10:22:14.196-05:00Oh right Paco, because knowing what word you'r...Oh right Paco, because knowing what word you're using is so...<i>white</i>, and all. <br /><br />Liz, speaking as a proud Cro-Magnon with no presumption of becoming anything more <i>moderne</i> that that, let me just say that the Neanderthals never did die out, if you get what I mean, and not that that's a bad thing. So, I got your, like, Viking, right here. Viking is a line of work, not a race, and if you're looking for genetic differences you'd better go back farther than 800 AD. A lot farther.comatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07251715653788254562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60681457769859548652010-03-27T10:21:53.580-05:002010-03-27T10:21:53.580-05:00The study Tango Man refers to (which bears out wha...The study Tango Man refers to (which bears out what I have always thought was intuitively obvious) contains the caveat that recent multi-racial population groups--which were not part of the study--might prove to be problematic for the conclusions otherwise drawn from the study. <br /><br />I would think Brazil and the US proves this out. In America we have used race as a "social construct" vis a vis black-white relationships insofar as anyone who is not "white" (along the lines of being readily identifiable in a stero-typical way a la the Tango Man referred reports' self-identified groupings) is considered "black" (Think Obama, Halle Berry, Mariah Carey, Louisiana Creoles as a group, etc.) while in Brazil it is just the opposite. There, anyone not stereo-typically "black" is considered "white." Thus in Brazil almost ALL mixed-race people are considered "white" for social purposes no matter how negroid there features might be. All Louisiana Creoles would be considered "white" in Brazil--while most of America considers them a variant of "blackness."virgil xenophonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509453343705968903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60065840211020094882010-03-27T10:13:27.191-05:002010-03-27T10:13:27.191-05:00And Holder said we were cowards because we don'...And Holder said we were cowards because we don't talk about race.RebeccaHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113907852048577121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11651873816925414972010-03-27T09:53:05.001-05:002010-03-27T09:53:05.001-05:00I am white and I have all the power - bwaaaaaaa. ...I am white and I have all the power - bwaaaaaaa. Even the president is white so you are doomed. Oops . . . never mind.TWMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06114010593299066911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76136120908866855262010-03-27T09:47:02.680-05:002010-03-27T09:47:02.680-05:00All white people are wealthy.
Basic stupid error ...All white people are wealthy.<br /><br />Basic stupid error at the bottom of such reasoning.<br /><br />Most of the poor in America are white.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49054547436843492872010-03-27T09:37:19.138-05:002010-03-27T09:37:19.138-05:00Lem: as a battle-scarred Usenet veteran, I must re...Lem: as a battle-scarred Usenet veteran, I must remind you -- <i>never ask a challenging question with a typo or spelling error</i>. The target of your question will <i>invariably</i> ignore the question, and go all spelling-nazi on your ass.Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13475356022180461052010-03-27T07:58:49.679-05:002010-03-27T07:58:49.679-05:00Danielle, I don't get it. Why do you think the...Danielle, I don't get it. Why do you think the Teapartiers, and all the others who oppose the Democrats' health care takeover, are thinking of race at all? The opposition is about the future of the country, and how the health bill was imposed, the excessive control by the government, and the consequences it will have for the country. Why do you think anything about it is motivated by race? Don't you think that, for example, African-Americans, who have higher rates of diabetes and kidney disease, have a stake in whether they will have access to high quality health care in the future, without the bureaucratic tangles, delays, and capriciousness that are common in the UK and Canada? Not to mention the decline in the number of doctors who will be available to take care of us all. It's not a racial issue. Bringing up race is just a distractor.<br /><br />ToyAs my whimsy leads me..https://www.blogger.com/profile/03898472636084908083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52209560076399584112010-03-27T07:35:54.621-05:002010-03-27T07:35:54.621-05:00William, as the granddaughter, niece, mother, cous...William, as the granddaughter, niece, mother, cousin, aunt, and sister, and daughter-in-law of redheads, I'm quite familiar with the specialness of that ilk. (As a faded strawberry blond myself, I don't quite measure up to that exquisite level of feistiness.) Just remember, under that mantle of blondness, our hostess here is truly a redhead. That may explain the speed and skill with which she disembowels fools who take her on!<br /><br />ToyAs my whimsy leads me..https://www.blogger.com/profile/03898472636084908083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2710025418424511902010-03-27T07:27:35.210-05:002010-03-27T07:27:35.210-05:00Gabriel, That's interesting. The black student...Gabriel, That's interesting. The black students had been warned that they would be quite a novelty for the Chinese, who are used to seeing white Americans and Europeans, but not many of African descent. I was standing in a line with some of the students, when some Chinese moms rushed up, all excited, to get pictures of their kids with the beautiful, exotic, black people. Another guy, an English teacher, labeled several in the group: You look like Seal, you look like Whitney Houston, and so on. The Aggies loved it. (NCA&T)<br /><br />ToyAs my whimsy leads me..https://www.blogger.com/profile/03898472636084908083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49527298590915449412010-03-27T02:28:54.376-05:002010-03-27T02:28:54.376-05:00There's Oreos, black on the outside and white ...There's Oreos, black on the outside and white on the inside.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77161400592578752452010-03-27T00:30:41.610-05:002010-03-27T00:30:41.610-05:00William, you may be on to something. Wasn't M...William, you may be on to something. Wasn't Menelaus, brother to godlike Agamenmon and husband to the lovely haired Helen, a ginger?Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623422545436294378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37958053520133308342010-03-27T00:29:26.118-05:002010-03-27T00:29:26.118-05:00..by people who waited three hours and four hours,...<i>..by people who waited three hours and four hours, [presumably to vote for him] many for the first time in their lives, because they believed that <b>this time must be different</b>..</i><br /><br />Obama's Election Night Speech<br /><br />..and then Obama didn't say anything to disabuse them of that fallacy as you call it..<br /><br />further on Obama said..<br /><br /><i>It's been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this date in this election at this defining moment change has come to America</i>.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44625803376924121332010-03-27T00:13:40.344-05:002010-03-27T00:13:40.344-05:00Lem, if that is what you took from the speech, the...Lem, if that is what you took from the speech, then maybe you should listen to it again. Or maybe you should find a transcript and read it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16257844485987121058noreply@blogger.com