tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7788249486838200367..comments2024-03-19T03:55:23.248-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Like any self-respecting individual would, I found this to be a massive, painful, bitchy slap in the face."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger183125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84903296700361116142015-10-23T16:57:14.994-05:002015-10-23T16:57:14.994-05:00That Bruce Hayden's view, if I have read the t...<i>That Bruce Hayden's view, if I have read the thread correctly..</i><br /><br />Yes and no. My view is that you will find a number of co-eds at almost any college or university who don't buy into getting blotto drunk, etc. And, who aren't the ones putting out without any commitment from a guy on the off chance that they will be able to snag them. But, for the most part, they aren't the ones getting "sexually assaulted" either. Maybe it is just the cases that make the press (because they falsely accuse, and often convict, the guys, who push back), but many, if not most, of the "sexual assaults" that supposedly happen on campuses, seem to involve young women who cannot land the guys they want, and/or got blotto drunk trying to get close to some guy, sometimes any guy, on a Friday or Saturday night. <br /><br />My kid graduated a couple years ago, and had friends who got caught up in this. Several girls gave up their virginity to guys who looked at them only as one night stands, and not surprisingly, their girl friends thought that was "sexual assault", or even "rape". But, the scarier part involved the binge drinking. Both sexes, but esp. the young women, would start to pre-party with their same sex friends mid Friday afternoon, unless it was an Ivy League (or similar selectivity), when the partying often started Thursday afternoon. Then, they would got to both sex parties after everyone was quite awash in alcohol. By the end of the evening, many would be totally wasted, some nearing incapacitation. At my kid's school, they inevitably had a couple kids "transported" every weekend - this means that the paramedics had to be called to transport some of the kids to the ER. We are talking in many cases of enough alcohol that they would be 3x or so the legal limit if they were to drive, but that is one of the reasons they stay on campus, so that they don't have to drive (drunk). And, for every kid who got transported, friends probably had to keep several more from falling asleep until they sobered up a bit. Yes, both boys and girls did this, but because of different metabolisms and sizes, the co-eds seemed to get closer to overdosing on alcohol than the men did. Note though that a lot of the students seem to have calmed down a bit by their junior and senior years. <br /><br />This is so different from when I was an undergraduate some 40 years earlier. Then, the only women who would drink more than one drink in an evening were in a serious relationship with a guy. And, we guys didn't tend to drink that much, even in a fraternity, with beer in the Coke machine and a full bar downstairs. We are talking 3-4 beers or mixed drinks in an evening, compared to the 8-10-12 that we are seeing now. <br /><br />But, as I said above, plenty of young women do not get involved in this, or don't get involved that much. And, not surprisingly, find that this approach is more likely to lead to a long term relationship than if they had slept around after getting blotto drunk a lot. Or, really, almost begging for sex. Deferred gratification is, as is typical, advantageous in the long run. Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47419554706892303462015-10-23T15:20:03.974-05:002015-10-23T15:20:03.974-05:00Maybe his upset stems from the nakedly misandrist ...Maybe his upset stems from the nakedly misandrist starting point of the lecture. Maybe he hates being patronized. Odds are there isn't going to be any give and take on how the second party should be clear about consenting and not back and forth. As I believe I once heard Camille Paglia tell Gloria Steinem, and I paraphrase, "No doesn't always mean no sweating in the back of a Chevy." Sex is much too complicated psychologically to be reduced to "Yes means yes." And, by the way, yes does not always mean yes, either. That doesn't mean it is rape. It just means it is complicated. And back to the "invitation", I doubt there was any serious thought given to the situation in which the female forces the issue with a drunk guy, or in which a lesbian forces her partner. And I bet the starting point is that sex between two impaired people can never have a male victim and never result in a female being anything other than a victim. There are lots of reasons to be offended at the presumptuous invitation from by all appearance man-hating administrators.CELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04544225420319856469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41396714983492838632015-10-23T00:27:38.264-05:002015-10-23T00:27:38.264-05:00Laslo said: "Can't women just sometimes l...Laslo said: "Can't women just sometimes lie back and Think of England?"<br /><br />Dude, I thought you were the dude!<br /><br />1) Women never just lie back... they talk, and talk, and talk, and talk... and ad finuckin' item.<br /><br />2) Women never think of England; they think only of themselves. Duh...<br /><br />I know. Right? Misogynistic!<br /><br />But isn't that the point? Divide and fuckin' conquer!<br /><br />Men and women used to know how to have sex together (and love, but we don't focus on that anymore--so "Victorian"). What a wonderful world we have built!<br /><br />Who knew "free love" would lead to this? <br /><br />What curse was our children and grandchildren given to be born in this time?<br /><br />Oh... yeah.<br /><br /><br />Us.<br /><br /><br />BNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07800122398628075042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6190329077619500082015-10-22T23:55:02.310-05:002015-10-22T23:55:02.310-05:00Mary (mi amore) said: "Yet... you also "...Mary (mi amore) said: "Yet... you also "wink and nod" at the doggy behaviors of men..."<br /><br />Well, ok, but I was in prison at the time, so I kinda have an excuse...<br /><br />I mean... you know.<br /><br />[Delete this now! Please!]<br /><br />Wait. Were we talkin' about rape? Never mind; don't delete it. Wait. What? Only women get raped? Wait. What?BNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07800122398628075042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10705183180374635782015-10-22T23:46:18.043-05:002015-10-22T23:46:18.043-05:00oops... that was just one point, huh? Don't wo...oops... that was just one point, huh? Don't worry... more to come... this is along fuckin'--and by "fuckin'--I mean FUCKIN', thread!BNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07800122398628075042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65608501413426506032015-10-22T23:45:16.769-05:002015-10-22T23:45:16.769-05:00Well, I guess I'm late to this party, eh? what...Well, I guess I'm late to this party, eh? what's the fuckin' point?<br /><br />But... because, you know, I've had a drink or a two... or maybe three... or so...<br /><br />Two points:<br /><br />Well, shit's been deleted, so who knows what I was gonna say, but here ya go:<br /><br />Perfesser said: "Whether humor is a good idea in this context is another matter."<br /><br />Lol. Tha's funny! ...except for the humor part. Ver fuckin' boten! Off with yer head!<br /><br /><br /><br />BNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07800122398628075042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76341642263005825532015-10-22T22:43:08.444-05:002015-10-22T22:43:08.444-05:00Particularly in the college setting, these kinds o...Particularly in the college setting, these kinds of mandatory sessions are not only usually a waste of time, they tend to be undercut by the college anyway. Because unlike a corporate HR-sponsored seminar which is likely focused only on ways to stay out of work and/or legal trouble, the college will also be doing its best to promote a culture of free sex on campus, even though it should be obvious that making it easy to have sex will increase the incidences of unconsensual sex.<br /><br />Back in my freshman days, one of the very first housing-sponsored events was condom tasting. Because nothing says welcome to college ladies than trying to help them figure out which flavor they'd like to taste when doing the nasty. Similarly the policy of handing out condoms like free candy. Hint to college officials - the guys picking those condoms up probably intend on using them to have sex, and odds are most of them will be used with women.<br /><br />It is one thing to try and rationally encourage reasonable consent standards. It is quite another to do everything possible to promote sexual encounters with no questions and no consequences, ignore for the most part the student drinking and drug problems, and then act shocked when bad stuff happens when sex, drugs, and alcohol get mixed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77983460743729451312015-10-22T18:38:33.855-05:002015-10-22T18:38:33.855-05:00I look like a rapist.
Why can't I be Laslo?I look like a rapist.<br /><br />Why can't I be Laslo?Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82007394909018647102015-10-22T17:56:08.935-05:002015-10-22T17:56:08.935-05:00Most all "practical" students are there ...<b>Most all "practical" students are there to get an education, not to get laid and drunk. This is out-of-class behavior that does not need addressing because others were taught sexual values, at home, in their teens... (and even earlier, by positive role modeling by the parents in an intact family and a stable community.)<br /><br /><br />Men and women both fall in this category.</b><br /><br />Only one group is punished for it.<br /><br /><b>I think all of these men who say in threads here and elsewhere that they are telling their sons to stay away from college girls are doing them a disservice. They should teach their sons how to be respectful to a lady, and demonstrate that respect with their own wives. </b><br /><br />Great theory. How many feminists are "ladies", however? I wouldn't expect my sons to treat a bitch any more kindly than she treated them.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24337952714872968632015-10-22T17:52:56.650-05:002015-10-22T17:52:56.650-05:00I bet if I gave a college girl a pamphlet to "...I bet if I gave a college girl a pamphlet to "Those jeans make your ass look fat" conference, they'd be offended. Even if I didn't say their jeans made their ass look fat.<br /><br />Because they didn't.<br /><br />Their ass being fat did that.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30157082053883025612015-10-22T17:37:36.052-05:002015-10-22T17:37:36.052-05:00Nichevo,
Yeah, That's pretty obvious. I never ...Nichevo,<br />Yeah, That's pretty obvious. I never read her comments but I should have known better. Whatever, it was good for me.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6682489772815308292015-10-22T17:29:27.655-05:002015-10-22T17:29:27.655-05:00If you don't go to the session, you don't ...<i>If you don't go to the session, you don't know that you won't learn something and you don't know how "basic" the information will be. </i><br /><br />What are the chances you could learn something useful from the people who passed a law criminalizing effectively every sexual encounter ever? Maybe you could learn new ways in which they are crazy, but is that <i>worth</i> learning? <br /><br /><br />Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09159859859522615418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17795370717973592172015-10-22T16:54:12.236-05:002015-10-22T16:54:12.236-05:00Once more in English, sugar tits. What did I do no...Once more in English, sugar tits. What did I do now? Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92104883308198884812015-10-22T16:26:01.710-05:002015-10-22T16:26:01.710-05:00clint said...Professor, I would like to cordially ...clint said...<i>Professor, I would like to cordially invite you to a training session where you can learn how not to sexually abuse children.</i><br /><br />Exactly. Imagine if every College Professor had to attend a seminar on why it is unethical to sleep with their students. It used to be one on the perks.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Gusty Windshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433588447325247130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5195945591685629642015-10-22T16:20:29.215-05:002015-10-22T16:20:29.215-05:00Tim, you're getting trolled, she's yanking...Tim, you're getting trolled, she's yanking your chain. She has nothing against sluttery except as a club to beat others with. She was just bragging the other day about all the dick she gets. Playing to her audience is all. <br /><br />I'm coming to feel about her and Althouse like I did about Iraq and Iran during their 80s war: too bad they can't both lose. Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73516901821439134632015-10-22T15:47:58.830-05:002015-10-22T15:47:58.830-05:00As a research associate at a military lab in the 1...As a research associate at a military lab in the 1990s, I was forced to attend the sensitivity training for all Naval personnel following the Tailhook scandal.<br /><br />500 men were packed into an auditorium all day, laughing their asses off at the idiocy of the presentation they were forced to watch.<br /><br />Times have not changed. If something progressive does not work, do it again, HARDER!mikeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875483485290838207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71785491450456411762015-10-22T15:43:43.116-05:002015-10-22T15:43:43.116-05:00Yet... you also "wink and nod" at the do...<i>Yet... you also "wink and nod" at the doggy behaviors of men: like giving advice on how to fuck and use someone, but getting yourself "off the hook" afterwards, by making sure you do a follow-up fuck or send flowers/candy the next day..</i><br /><br />Yeah, I probably shouldn't have used that language, but what I meant was that you shouldn't use women like Kleenex and you should take their emotions into account. You shouldn't sleep with somebody and never talk to them again, it's wrong and it's hurtful. When you end a relationship, the other party deserves the respect of a face to face meeting. These things are all true.<br /><br />But you have a fundamental objection to pre-marital sex, so we will never agree on that.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85034729197460087692015-10-22T15:29:41.016-05:002015-10-22T15:29:41.016-05:00It was none of Mary's business but I have coll...<b> It was none of Mary's business but I have college age daughters, and I know many of their friends. There are tons of great girls just looking for a guy who will love them and treat them with respect, if my limited sample is any indication.</b><br /><br />I have no doubt that is true. That doesn't change the fact that men's due process rights on college campuses are mostly non-existent.Ron Winkleheimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04176638872652336967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12976884613076300902015-10-22T15:28:04.721-05:002015-10-22T15:28:04.721-05:00Our only disagreement seems to be that you think a...<i>Our only disagreement seems to be that you think acting like a gentleman will be sufficient to safeguard a man from a false rape accusation.</i><br /><br />No, I said a loving relationship with a girl at that age is too good a life experience to miss, and that there are no guarantees in life.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88846525966674637222015-10-22T15:25:56.639-05:002015-10-22T15:25:56.639-05:00Likely will end up divorced, is my bet.
Possibly,...<i>Likely will end up divorced, is my bet.</i><br /><br />Possibly, but haven't yet after a very long time.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89570374973104616192015-10-22T15:25:39.381-05:002015-10-22T15:25:39.381-05:00Why not tell them that "one night stands"...<b>Why not tell them that "one night stands" are not OK? Why not tell them that a young woman needs closure after a relationship, not to be ignored, that 'casual' sex means more to a woman than it does to a man?</b><br /><br />I did say that men shouldn't engage in one night stands. Our only disagreement seems to be that you think acting like a gentleman will be sufficient to safeguard a man from a false rape accusation. I think that the current situation on campus is such that men are in danger of a false rape accusation regardless of what they do and that they need to do everything possible to safeguard themselves from false rape accusations.<br /><br />That would include not acting in what you and I consider immoral or disrespectful behavior. Ron Winkleheimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04176638872652336967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71893980842039994412015-10-22T15:21:33.731-05:002015-10-22T15:21:33.731-05:00Is that too old-fashioned for you, or too difficul...<i>Is that too old-fashioned for you, or too difficult in your estimation for young men to accomplish?</i><br /><br />Yes, that is too old fashioned for me, but at least now I can understand where you are coming from. I am not going to make any more posts for Althouse to have to delete.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2835680778044204442015-10-22T15:20:43.459-05:002015-10-22T15:20:43.459-05:00They should teach their sons how to be respectful ...<i> They should teach their sons how to be respectful to a lady, and demonstrate that respect with their own wives. </i><br /><br />The problem is, they are increasingly unlikely to encounter very many actual ladies among the females on campus these days. It is basically the problem...they want to act like sluts and be treated as ladies, and cry rape when they aren't.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7419961932777036112015-10-22T15:18:20.820-05:002015-10-22T15:18:20.820-05:00But hey, that moral panic witch hunting environmen...But hey, that moral panic witch hunting environment found on college campuses is going to end up bringing back Victorian sexual mores, just without the icky Christianity stuff. And that's the point of it anyway.<br /><br />Ron Winkleheimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04176638872652336967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71986392819314185712015-10-22T15:17:44.230-05:002015-10-22T15:17:44.230-05:00Regarding his character -- he exemplifies self abs...Regarding his character -- he exemplifies self absorption and extreme egotism. Very immature and annoyingly defensive. He doesn't know it but the whole world does not actually function just like him but he assumes it does. There may actually be young men who coming from a different background, either sheltered and unexperienced about sex, or perhaps the opposite and very experienced in sex, who come into a college situation and don't know what is expected and acceptable. Those young men might want to meet in a sex segregated situation to discuss these issues to avoid getting into trouble.Rosalyn C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05868527120018363058noreply@blogger.com