tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post772707401549649362..comments2024-03-28T20:43:56.857-05:00Comments on Althouse: Politico attempts to frame the meme "birth control moms."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger157125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15198504484218785412012-02-21T09:48:53.836-06:002012-02-21T09:48:53.836-06:00Paco wrote: "It's also interesting that t...Paco wrote: "It's also interesting that this is being pitched as entirely a womens' issue -- only women need contraception, only women must bear the cost. Presumably there's a spouse/boyfriend involved who would be willing to chip in, no?"<br /><br />You have to understand pregnancy as an affliction..a sort of natural disaster. Fluke could be studying teh pros and cons of torte reform and out of the blue, "WHAM!". She has to be protected. The guys don't even know they've done it. They're both "programmed" to do it...it's like breathing.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18297921616297492402012-02-21T08:46:50.386-06:002012-02-21T08:46:50.386-06:00It's looking like this Presidential race is go...It's looking like this Presidential race is going to be between a sex obsessed Comstock who wants to impose his views of morality on the nation as a whole, and Santorum.Salamandyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11583377305614434681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22684886456262487362012-02-20T12:59:44.658-06:002012-02-20T12:59:44.658-06:00You may be comfortable turning over a basic human ...<i>You may be comfortable turning over a basic human need to a bunch of child molesters</i><br /><br />What? Are we turning over that human need to teachers/educators? They take the top spot by far on the annual list of sex molesters. If fact their yearly total exceeds the 30-year cumulative total for RC priests by far. Or psychologists/counselor--the second place finisher on that annual list? Or any of the top ten, none of which is "RC priest"? <br /><br />By bringing up RC priest, you are showing that you are a disingenuous asshole. But that probably makes you proud, doesn't it?Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277966379512526469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3471434079055497132012-02-20T10:13:02.687-06:002012-02-20T10:13:02.687-06:00"The woman should have felt embarrassed - tha..."The woman should have felt embarrassed - that she was asking everyone else to pay for her recreational sex."<br /><br />That's why those mean old men did her a favor by not allowing her to testify. Conversely, if Fluke was put forward as the best case for the mandate, I almost wish they had let her speak. A few simple questions of her would have likely revealed even more problems with her logic. But then, so many would not have been able to look past the multiple males oppressing the poor law student..the "war on women" writ large.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71465052063546998162012-02-20T07:57:52.445-06:002012-02-20T07:57:52.445-06:00"The government IS telling them to cover it.&...<i>"The government IS telling them to cover it."</i><br /><br />Yes, I know. I thought that was clear in what I wrote -- I object to this because I think it's a dick move on the part of the Administration, forcing a religious group to violate their precepts, to "solve" a non-problem.<br /><br />If the company chooses to offer insurance that covers contraception, that's fine by me.<br /><br />You do realize you are starting to sound like a caricature of a sex-obsessed conservative with your ranting about 11-year-olds, right?Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46246948438695172952012-02-20T07:31:45.332-06:002012-02-20T07:31:45.332-06:00One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she f...<i>One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Students like her have no choice but to go without <b>contraception</b>."<br /></i><br /><br />Oh the poor little fawn!<br /><br />Anyway, notice the lie there? "Contraception" is now redefined to mean <i>birth control pills</i>.<br /><br />Isn't that nice?<br /><br />By the way, I thought law school was like all hard and stuff and everyone was busy cracking the books until 2am. I guess there is plenty of time to hump your brains out when you're not being turned away by big meanie pharmacists.Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77080817467391144762012-02-20T07:27:45.737-06:002012-02-20T07:27:45.737-06:00Canuck said...
I think think Obama is one of the l...<i>Canuck said...<br />I think think Obama is one of the luckiest politicians I've ever seen. High unemployment & the worse recession since the Great Depression and his opponents want to talk about birth control.<br /></i><br /><br />Not really, no.<br /><br />This has to do with Obamacare which is unpopular.<br /><br />Why do people continue to insist this issue is some political loser?<br /><br />If it is so bad for Republicans, why are the Democrats the ones lying about the issue?Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55295130145979301832012-02-20T06:53:37.452-06:002012-02-20T06:53:37.452-06:00Birth Control Daddy says you're ready for sex,...Birth Control Daddy says you're ready for sex, when you're mature enough to buy -- with your own money -- your own birth control devices.<br /><br />See, kids who rely on the government for "freebie" fucks, definitely end up misusing the product, and then want us to subsidize their "accidents" too.<br /><br />Mommies: teach em independence. That way, they'll have true freedoms and choices, if they can pay their own way. This is baloney the libs want to feed you about sexual freedom. Nobody's talking about outlawing birth control. We just object to paying for your choices, out of our own adult pay.<br /><br />Hth.Derve Swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03588383169658816894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92054908295060525542012-02-20T06:50:45.360-06:002012-02-20T06:50:45.360-06:00"The woman should have felt embarrassed - tha..."The woman should have felt embarrassed - that she was asking everyone else to pay for her recreational sex."<br /><br /><br />It is strange, isn't it? <br /><br />How is this feminism in any form? <br /><br />She isn't liberated, rather it's a pathetic <a href="http://whitewhine.com/" rel="nofollow">'white whine'</a> of entitlement that others (including the Catholic Church) are responsible for her choices. She oblivious that she is a slave to contraception, completely blind, as if there are no other options.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80927043429217103082012-02-20T06:38:06.344-06:002012-02-20T06:38:06.344-06:00I commented HERE about my local paper's regurg...I commented <a href="http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2012/02/hail-caesar-and-every-knee-shall-bow.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> about my local paper's regurgitation of Team Obama's talking reasons for forcing people of all ethical beliefs to support birth control and abortion.<br /><br />I read on and decided that perhaps we should be a little more forgiving to the brain damaged yahoos who wrote that Virginian Pilot editorial. I’m talking about their ludicrous claim that the birth control and abortion mandate will be revenue neutral for insurance companies. You remember the argument: giving birth control pills and paying for abortions is less costly than paying for a woman to give birth? It appears that instead of making that stupid argument all by themselves, they are repeating a talking point from the Obama administration. Which means that there is now no question that it’s a lie. We are reinforced in our opinion by this article from The Hill <b>“Insurance industry could take hit from birth control mandate” </b> <br /><br /><i>“Privately, however, insurers say there's nothing "free" about preventing unwarranted pregnancies. They say the mandate also covers costly surgical sterilization procedures, and that in any case even the pill has up-front costs.</i><br /><br /><br /><i>"Saying it's revenue-neutral doesn't mean it's free and that you're not paying for it," an industry source told The Hill.</i><br /><br /><br /><i>Doctors still have to be paid to prescribe the pill, drugmakers and pharmacists have to be paid to provide it - and all that money has to come from insurance premiums, not future hypothetical savings, the source said.”<br /></i><br />The insurance industry is very dependent on the government and is not going to stick it’s neck out to oppose Obama on the record so they are not going to go on the record in opposition. They are simply going to increase premiums to cover the mandate.<br /><br /><br />Here is another indication of the Obama administration’s view of childbirth: it’s an illness. I quote from the White House fact sheet: <br /><i>“Covering contraception is cost neutral since it saves money by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services," </i><br />Let me repeat that for people who are not paying attention or who are cheering the government’s edicts on religion: <b>contraception keeps women healthy!”</b> The next time you see a pregnant woman; know that by definition of the Obama administration she is diseased.Moneyrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12940253500799383224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41884803927822534702012-02-20T06:32:22.893-06:002012-02-20T06:32:22.893-06:00"contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 d...<i>"contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school."</i><br /><br />Law school usually takes 3 years, correct? So that would be $1,000 per year, or about $20 per week. I haven't been in the market for contraception for some time -- can anybody corroborate that cost?<br /><br />It's also interesting that this is being pitched as entirely a womens' issue -- only women need contraception, only women must bear the cost. Presumably there's a spouse/boyfriend involved who would be willing to chip in, no?Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25590556019355393292012-02-20T06:13:16.883-06:002012-02-20T06:13:16.883-06:00"Without insurance coverage, contraception ca..."<i>Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Students like her have no choice but to go without contraception.</i>"<br /><br />What is a "public interest" scholarship? Is this how people learn to be community organizers? <br /><br />Which may be why those people somehow think that others paying for their recreational sex is in the public good. <br /><br />I have long wondered why anyone would think that those going into "public interest" law of any sort, or even government service, should get any break whatsoever when it comes to law school (or other school) costs. Yet, we constantly see schemes for them to get forgiveness, etc. on their student loans, etc.<br /><br />But, if you look at what a lot of them do, you could ask if they really are doing anything in the public good, or, rather, are advocates for a socialized government which would seriously reduce the welfare of the vast majority. Yet, somehow, we are being asked to subsidize this counter-productive behavior. <br /><br />The woman should have felt embarrassed - that she was asking everyone else to pay for her recreational sex.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14953802964179092572012-02-20T04:19:56.682-06:002012-02-20T04:19:56.682-06:00Tlaloc said...
Of course they do. Regulation is ...<i> Tlaloc said...<br /><br /><br />Of course they do. Regulation is a key function of government and very few areas require more careful regulation than health care.</i><br /><br />Hysterical. Now insurance is "health care"!<br /><br />With you people words have no meaning.<br /><br /><i>Ideally we'd just do away with private insurance and go to the single payer system that most of the rest of the world uses, and which works significantly better and WAY cheaper than our system. </i><br /><br />Really? Do they have single payer in Cuba? How does that work out?<br /><br />It is "WAY" cheaper I guess because you say so.<br />There is like ALL KINDS of evidence for that I'm sure.<br /><br />Good grief, the lies you need to tell yourself in order to be a leftist are endless.Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65110693466569901112012-02-20T03:47:52.970-06:002012-02-20T03:47:52.970-06:00"As long as Santorum sticks to libertarian ar..."<i>As long as Santorum sticks to libertarian arguments...</i>"<br /><br />OK, I suppose there's a first time for everything.Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67941166358281607662012-02-20T01:16:23.845-06:002012-02-20T01:16:23.845-06:00I think we're giving our children a rather dep...<i>I think we're giving our children a rather depressing world to live in</i><br /><br />There are already enough high schoolers and middle schoolers who have been encouraged to think that if they haven't lost their virginity before they are 16-18 then they are a freak and total loser.<br /><br />And then there are those adults who <i>are</i> freaks and losers, those who are not all that attractive and cannot get dates. What about their fundamental right to all sex all the time on someone else's dime?<br /><br />Saint Croix asked if a vibrator counts as contraception? After all, it is 100 percent certain to prevent pregnancy. So, shouldn't the ugly and the fat and the other social undesirables be able to get free sex toys? or free porn? or free prostitutes? Should a prostitute be allowed a right of conscience to say "no" to deny the rights of some gross guy who wants to use his healthcare benefits for free "sex therapy"?Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5756781601392831592012-02-20T00:29:34.852-06:002012-02-20T00:29:34.852-06:00I will say that, as a married person of many many ...I will say that, as a married person of many many years, the notion that sex is a natural drive and because of that it is morally wrong to inhibit that drive in any way, and so the State, as not to inhibit that drive, must provide contraception for free (one way or another) is sort of heart-breaking.<br /><br />Because if you follow the logic of that world view, it also means that expecting fidelity is impossible, since fidelity is inhibiting the sex drive, limiting by choice what your lizard brain desires.<br /><br />I know that some romance novels, propose the situation where fidelity naturally occurs without effort, without inhibition, but romance novels are fantasy.<br /><br />I wish people would spend more thought on what *else* a particular part of their world view requires be true.<br /><br />Sex is like breathing... gotta do it, wrong to fuss or frown or disapprove. In fact sex is so fundamental that it's actually wrong and oppressive to ask someone to keep it in their pants or keep their knees together. Oppression! In fact, it's soooo fundamental that in order to not be oppressive you've got to subsidize the free exercise of sex for others. What's next? The state has to provide procurers? <br /><br />If that all sounds like I'm taking it to the absurd, the only element that isn't part of the "OH NOES the religious prudes want to stop our fun time" argument we've been hearing for the last week is the very last element *only*.<br /><br />But still, what makes me sad is that we seem to be *demanding* that sex can not be denied, and that means fidelity is out as well, and I think we're giving our children a rather depressing world to live in.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31092855364581919732012-02-19T23:53:14.838-06:002012-02-19T23:53:14.838-06:00Birth control moms - is that anything like laissez...Birth control moms - is that anything like laissez-faire unionists?AlanKHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415873942467466303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20289329637071213062012-02-19T23:04:11.226-06:002012-02-19T23:04:11.226-06:00By the way, did you see in the news that prosecuto...By the way, did you see in the news that prosecutors have decided not to pursue criminal charges against Kathleen Sebelius and her attorney general when she was governmor of Kansas for the destruction of records evidence in court cases that had been brought against Planned Parenthood for failing to report cases of child sex abuse?Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76716292832854443872012-02-19T22:52:08.646-06:002012-02-19T22:52:08.646-06:00As long as the government isn't telling them t...<i>As long as the government isn't telling them to cover it (or not), then it's not a big deal to me.</i><br /><br />The government IS telling them to cover it. It must be part of every health plan, including family plans; contraceptive coverage for EVERY covered person -- married, single, adult, minor, post-menopausal, post-hysterectomy, other infertile, sexually active, celibate, virgins, everyone.<br /><br />And you get the privilege of having to pay so that someone can have sex without consequences with your little 11-year-old girl (and don't expect Planned Parenthood to report the guy for child rape, they'll just give her the pills, pat her on the head, and send her on her way).Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28638987991803572832012-02-19T22:28:13.964-06:002012-02-19T22:28:13.964-06:00The whole point of plastic surgery is to appear yo...The whole point of plastic surgery is to appear young. (Breeding). Or to have bigger breasts. (Breeding).<br /><br />Women have abortions because they decided this is a Bad Breeding. "I got some loser genes in me and I want to start over."<br /><br />We have a tremendous amount of repression, denial, and stupidity over the subject of sex. And liberals are not helping with their mantra of equality.Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84579293257366975292012-02-19T22:27:58.761-06:002012-02-19T22:27:58.761-06:00By the way, we are also programmed to eat. And to ...By the way, we are also programmed to eat. And to borrow another poster's line, it's a good thing for marriages if a couple can eat. You might even call it a humanitarian concern. <br /><br />Does that lead to "free" food for everyone regardless of ability to pay? Again, the mandate only sort of works if you can lump it in with injury or affliction. Yet unlike eating, the programming allows for abstinence, masturbation or the two people involved to pool resources to buy appropriate contraception.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89781541549473978752012-02-19T22:18:52.753-06:002012-02-19T22:18:52.753-06:00canuck said: "They use b.c. to manage it. Tha...canuck said: "They use b.c. to manage it. That woman at Georgetown law who didn't get to testify lost an ovary because she had PCOS."<br /><br />Actually it was a friend of Fluke's who lost the ovary. <br /><br /><br />"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy."<br /><br />Yes, there are many instances of drugs being used for more than one indication. But again, as I mentioned, if a diagnosis from a doctor is not being honored, that is a separate problem that needs a different remedy. It doesn't lead to mandated no copay non-means tested coverage for a two party voluntary behavior as opposed to an affliction...unless you're buying votes or paving the way for full coverage of every other prescription.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50675237690233887292012-02-19T22:13:02.403-06:002012-02-19T22:13:02.403-06:00Yes absolutely you are. You are not programmed to ...<i>Yes absolutely you are. You are not programmed to procreate but to fornicate.</i><br /><br />Under your theory a man sees no difference between the hot, attractive 24-year-old girl (breeder) and the ugly, unattractive 65-year-old woman (non-breeder).<br /><br />And yet men do see a difference.<br /><br />I think a tremendous amount of our sexual behavior is motivated because of reproduction. Are you really this oblivious to human reproduction? <br /><br />For instance, how many of us are pure bisexuals? How many of us care not a whit about the sex of our partners? <br /><br />Very few.<br /><br />Why don't we have sex with mommy and daddy? If sex is just tingles, what's wrong with incest? <br /><br />If sex is love and intimacy, what's wrong with incest?<br /><br />Answer: sex is about reproduction. It's why we don't have sex with mommy and daddy. It's not orgasms. It's not love. It's babies. <br /><br />At a very basic, primal level, sex is baby-making.<br /><br />Explain the incest taboo, Mr. Tingles.<br /><br />Reproduction is why we have this institution called marriage. Not love. Not sharing the rent. Not companionship. Not easy access to sexual favors. Babies. Babies are why we have marriage. <br /><br />To reduce sex to tingles is to be utterly oblivious to the history of the human race. Or for that matter, the history of dogs or chimps or many other breeders. <br /><br />Birth control has made a lot of us really stupid on the issue of sex.<br /><br />You're talking like some kid living in the 21st century who only knows a birth control society. You're not talking like a scientist who is describing human sexuality dating back centuries. Are you?Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58968485516910268502012-02-19T22:00:38.489-06:002012-02-19T22:00:38.489-06:00@Tialoc
"But is a man genetically programmed ...@Tialoc<br />"But is a man genetically programmed to insert his reproductive organ into a woman's reproductive organ just for kicks?"<br /><br />Yes absolutely you are. You are not programmed to procreate but to fornicate.<br /><br />The procreation is a side effect as far as the individual is concerned (and often a most unwelcome one). Of course as far as the species is concerned the procreation is the important bit."<br /><br />Choose a position and stick with it. Are you citing science or Larry Flint?wyo sishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985513448269574373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44397724628774361252012-02-19T22:00:25.822-06:002012-02-19T22:00:25.822-06:00If an 11 year old is sexually active, she is proba...If an 11 year old is sexually active, she is probably being sexually abuse. Birth control just makes it easier to harm her.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.com