tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7684751695910860740..comments2024-03-19T04:21:39.658-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Why should they be forced to deal with the news that a male teacher they have always known as Mr Upton will henceforth be a woman called Miss Meadows?"Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5606032193917770072013-03-24T15:09:45.257-05:002013-03-24T15:09:45.257-05:00AllenS ... I never thought I would know anyone lik...AllenS ... I never thought I would know anyone like that either, but shit happens. In this case, the child was born to a friend and now Judi and I try to assist whenever we can. He has several hurdles to cross most of us never have to think about. So...yeah, I don't sympathize much with the mental "choice" transitions.Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22101431483796330902013-03-24T14:54:14.900-05:002013-03-24T14:54:14.900-05:00I remember the scene in Life of Brian where the PF...I remember the scene in Life of Brian where the PFJ member tells everybody he wants to be a woman and how they all fell over themselves to support him, except for one who points out the obvious, he can't have babies because he hasn't got a womb.<br /><br />Nowadays, the guy pointing out the obvious is a bigot and the person who thinks he is a girl is the sane one.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8285755068759367012013-03-24T13:10:48.854-05:002013-03-24T13:10:48.854-05:00I don't know anybody like that.I don't know anybody like that.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63184209885232719482013-03-24T12:47:47.278-05:002013-03-24T12:47:47.278-05:00AllenS said ...
Irregardless, my comment about th...AllenS said ...<br /><br /><i>Irregardless, my comment about the children laughing at him/her still stands whether or not the surgery happened. </i><br /><br />Without a doubt, kids are going to be kids and mock. Period. I think I also said that. <br /><br />And the article is deficient without at least a modicum of detail regarding the "change" per se. <br /><br />And I also got sucked in again by a weird article with about as much reality involved as Alice's looking glass.<br /><br />Dang! <br /><br />PS: Partial excuse is that I know a young man who has been through gender reassignment, a failed one where the experts selected a female re-assignment in the first 12 months, and now find they've got a young man, growing whiskers, whose dick and balls they cut off. <br /><br />In other words...fuck this dead "Nathan/Lucy"...the kid I know has real problems to face and work his way through. He can't just decide to "be" this or that...he already is what he physically isn't. <br /><br /> Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66617417645826255052013-03-24T12:17:18.695-05:002013-03-24T12:17:18.695-05:00After reading the article about gender transitioni...After reading the article about gender transitioning, I got this from wiki:<br /><br /><i>Transitioning is the process of changing one's gender presentation permanently to accord with one's internal sense of one's gender - the idea of what it means to be a man or woman. For transsexuals, this process typically involves sex reassignment therapy (which may include hormone replacement therapy and <b>sex reassignment surgery</b>), and their new sex is "opposite" that of birth sex; for intersex people it is different from how they were raised; for genderqueer people it is neither solely female nor male. Cross-dressers and drag queens and drag kings tend not to transition, since their variant gender presentations are (usually) only adopted temporarily.</i><br /><br />Irregardless, my comment about the children laughing at him/her still stands whether or not the surgery happened. When all of a sudden a man that they have known shows up dressed as a woman, that action will be ridiculed.<br /><br />Because that's just gay.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23326037452336585612013-03-24T11:46:35.561-05:002013-03-24T11:46:35.561-05:00AllenS ... the sex change idea was what you were s...AllenS ... the sex change idea was what you were supposed to think with wording by the reporter, used as post title here,...emphasis mine:<br /><br /><i>... a male teacher they have always known as Mr Upton <b>will henceforth be a woman</b> called Miss Meadows?"</i><br /><br />One cannot "be a woman" if born a man without some physical change, short of hermaphroditism {dual genitals] or pseudohermaphroditism [male and female chromesomes, but one gential set, one or the other]. <br /><br />Anything else, short of surgical intervention, is mental or emotional choice....or it certainly seems that way to me. <br /><br />Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54360081491157459622013-03-24T11:17:58.406-05:002013-03-24T11:17:58.406-05:00I must confess, I didn't read the article.
I ...I must confess, I didn't read the article.<br /><br />I did read this: <i>The school's headmaster had written to the parents telling them that Nathan Upton "has recently made a significant change in his life and will be transitioning to live as a woman" and would be called Lucy Meadows.</i> And I assumed there was a sex change.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82806529935237222922013-03-24T11:16:57.827-05:002013-03-24T11:16:57.827-05:00If so, then he was possibly quite delusional and c...If so, then he was possibly quite delusional and couldn't deal with the fact most people weren't going to indulge him.<br /><br />Good point.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51047881918380594192013-03-24T10:58:45.338-05:002013-03-24T10:58:45.338-05:00I asked before and now I'll ask again....someo...I asked before and now I'll ask again....someone, anyone, Althouse, AllenS, et al., here point me to the part of this story where it says Nathan in fact had a "sex change" other than in his own imagination? Y'all keep using the term "sex change"...it has meaning beyond "choice" in my experience. <br /><br />Maybe I am missing something, but I read the linked article and <b>nowhere</b> in it does it say "Lucy" had any physical gender change from male to female, or whether "she" was born a hermaphrodite, among other things, such as genetic disparities [pseudohermaphrodism], impacting gender concept in a person. It simply implies that Nathan believes he was born a girl in a man's body....in Nathan's emotional opinion. Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83423006985775413042013-03-24T10:47:31.385-05:002013-03-24T10:47:31.385-05:00Unrepresentative of the country?
40% of Americans...Unrepresentative of the country?<br /><br />40% of Americans are Conservative, the biggest ideological group in the country.<br /><br />And, as I say, people here tend to agree with me far more than you.<br /><br />As I say, you are pathetic.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53632226884972819762013-03-24T10:38:50.898-05:002013-03-24T10:38:50.898-05:00edutcher said...
why, O why, do more people here s...<i>edutcher said...<br />why, O why, do more people here seem to agree with me and not you?</i><br /><br />Well, first, this is a very conservative group, unrepresentative of the country as a whole, and second, you do not seem to get much support from your fellow conservatives since they no doubt recognize that you are not very thoughtful.Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88167177177155142762013-03-24T10:33:40.255-05:002013-03-24T10:33:40.255-05:00And you can never rebut a proposition because you ...And you can never rebut a proposition because you have no rebuttal.<br /><br />And, if "a majority of people do not agree with you on most issues", then why, O why, do more people here seem to agree with me and not you?<br /><br />The best you've got is, "Why don't you go someplace else" (what you want all the Conservatives to do), and "blah blah ad hominem blah blah you don't understand my brilliance" (no one else does, either) .<br /><br />You are pathetic.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6514118979690017892013-03-24T10:24:48.421-05:002013-03-24T10:24:48.421-05:00edutcher said...
how weak does someone have to be ...<i>edutcher said...<br />how weak does someone have to be if he can't "win" without an organized campaign of massive vote fraud?</i><br /><br />Ultimately this is your problem. You cannot deal with the fact that a majority of people do not agree with you on most issues. You conjure up hate and conspiracy theories and obsessively defend your little turf on Althouse to compensate. If you can't take a more rational approach you would be much better off on a fishing forum. Here you are just creating conflict without making any meaningful contribution to the discussion.<br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66771325181719603812013-03-24T10:15:55.915-05:002013-03-24T10:15:55.915-05:00And that's about all Barry was able to do, he ...And that's about all Barry was able to do, he was so busy making a fool of himself, or did you miss Netanyahu telling Little Zero Israel was always going to defend itself?<br /><br />As for weakened, how weak does someone have to be if he can't "win" without an organized campaign of massive vote fraud?<br /><br />As I say, Troll is just mad because somebody shot him down.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86396208591722710162013-03-24T10:09:41.663-05:002013-03-24T10:09:41.663-05:00You are such a fool. Obama made Netanyahu apologiz...You are such a fool. Obama made Netanyahu apologize to the Turks during his visit. Everything you said was nonsense, and Netanyahu was notably weakened in the last election. Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44817997812850490182013-03-24T10:05:43.904-05:002013-03-24T10:05:43.904-05:00AnUnreasonableTroll said...
No, not rebutting my ...AnUnreasonableTroll said...<br /><br /><i><b>No, not rebutting my point makes you look like the idiot. </b><br /><br />This is the problem, you don't have a point, just incessant blather at anyone you perceive as a librul. If you actually read the posts you would realize that my position on divorce is quite conservative. The decreasing stability of marriage is harmful for everyone involved. And, I don't think there is much the government can do to affect this trend.</i><br /><br />No, I made a point about the serial polygamy of widowhood and it went right past you (or under your radar). If you want, I can write in purple crayon, which is probably all Troll understands, that the real issue with divorce is that, thanks to the Lefties, people are so incredibly emotionally immature that some will divorce for any reason or no reason at all, but we have always had the phenomenon of serial polygamy.<br /><br />You're still mad because I shot down your stupid Puffington-inspired point about Zero's "victory tour" and Netanyahu's "interference in the election" and his "becoming Berlusconi".<br /><br />Go sulk someplace and leave the adults alone.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42305738321907701702013-03-24T09:41:34.445-05:002013-03-24T09:41:34.445-05:00Bullying Littlejohn is an effort to silence debate...<i>Bullying Littlejohn is an effort to silence debate and discussion around an important issue of public concern. <br /><br />Much was asked of the children, and the lesson we're supposed to learn is that a person undergoing a sex change is so mentally fragile that all care and concern must be directed at him/her.<br /><br />The person who commits suicide silences himself. It's a terrible idea to give the suicide the power to silence everyone else or to allow the threat of suicide to end debates.</i><br /><br />Yes!<br /><br />The middle paragraph Althouse wrote reminds me of the Rutgers case. We of course feel for the gay kid who couldn't handle things and killed himself, but make no tempt to understand the 19 year old who has a depressed roommate who is having trouble adjusting.<br /><br />We expect so much of the people who don't know how to react to people who don't know how to react to themselves. MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58216495001542331942013-03-24T08:06:55.389-05:002013-03-24T08:06:55.389-05:00Terry said...
"My genitalia and hormones are... Terry said... <br />"My genitalia and hormones are wrong. I want you to remove my penis and fashion a vagina for me."<br /><br />"Of course! Nature made a hash of you by giving you a penis! We'll get right on it"<br /><br />"I want to kill myself"<br /><br />"That's insane!"<br /><br /><br />Perfect.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29204336495632541552013-03-24T07:43:27.034-05:002013-03-24T07:43:27.034-05:00edutcher said...
No, not rebutting my point makes...<i> edutcher said...<br /><br />No, not rebutting my point makes you look like the idiot. </i><br /><br />This is the problem, you don't have a point, just incessant blather at anyone you perceive as a librul. If you actually read the posts you would realize that my position on divorce is quite conservative. The decreasing stability of marriage is harmful for everyone involved. And, I don't think there is much the government can do to affect this trend.<br /><br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92136649377637543842013-03-24T07:39:15.107-05:002013-03-24T07:39:15.107-05:00and now the children will need to deal with his de...<i>and now the children will need to deal with his death.</i><br /><br />Once the sex change occurred, <i>his</i> death happened whether or not <i>she</i> lived on. The kids won't be bothered by this death, except that their laughing at his/her situation will soon fade from their memories.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71823974511037194862013-03-24T07:37:54.699-05:002013-03-24T07:37:54.699-05:00""Lucy" is responsible for his own ...""Lucy" is responsible for his own death. All Littlejohn said is what is blazingly obvious. Yes, let us sacrifice children so that sick adults may indulge themselves."<br /><br />Bullying Littlejohn is an effort to silence debate and discussion around an important issue of public concern. <br /><br />Much was asked of the children, and the lesson we're supposed to learn is that a person undergoing a sex change is so mentally fragile that all care and concern must be directed at him/her.<br /><br />The person who commits suicide silences himself. It's a terrible idea to give the suicide the power to silence everyone else or to allow the threat of suicide to end debates.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7914119516857425432013-03-24T07:37:42.659-05:002013-03-24T07:37:42.659-05:00Palladian said...
It's a wild world.
Take car... Palladian said...<br />It's a wild world.<br /><br />Take care.<br /><br />Amen. I'm genetically loaded, with a family legacy of insanity and suicide, but I've managed to survive 37 years and quite a few dark nights of my soul.<br /><br />It helps if you don't take the world too seriously.<br />After all it doesn't take you seriously.<br />It is. Down at the heart of it, absurd.<br />Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36252812438650583942013-03-24T07:34:03.654-05:002013-03-24T07:34:03.654-05:00I also think the death penalty is morally wrong an...I also think the death penalty is morally wrong and I am opposed to euthanasia.<br /><br />I recommend killing in self-defense, however.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68274084567814416142013-03-24T07:34:00.370-05:002013-03-24T07:34:00.370-05:00"Lucy" is responsible for his own death...."Lucy" is responsible for his own death. All Littlejohn said is what is blazingly obvious. Yes, let us sacrifice children so that sick adults may indulge themselves.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33666129298466851662013-03-24T07:32:40.160-05:002013-03-24T07:32:40.160-05:00"So, how do you feel about abortion? "
..."So, how do you feel about abortion? "<br /><br />As I've said many times on this blog, I think -- or as you put it "feel" -- that is it is killing a human being and a great moral wrong.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.com