tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7659270054883067996..comments2024-03-29T05:01:52.320-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I believe in free speech but more so in good editing. This piece is unintelligible."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15537277967677904972020-08-04T22:03:41.302-05:002020-08-04T22:03:41.302-05:00"JAORE said...
"when did it fall out of ..."JAORE said...<br />"when did it fall out of fashion to write and speak in a manner that communicates clearly?"<br /><br />When expressing stupid ideas became mandatory at Left publications. You don't want to make it CLEAR that you are expressing nonsense.Stephen St. Ongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10477067342281594974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26650481513567393252020-08-02T20:48:24.558-05:002020-08-02T20:48:24.558-05:00"somebody pointed out that employers in the J..."somebody pointed out that employers in the Jim Crow south used to fire blacks who registered to vote. They weren’t the government, after all, it was only “consequences.”<br /><br />I doubt the premise of this statement. I am sure that this may have happened in a few cases, but it was not the general rule. The kind of employer who would hire blacks in the first place, were not the kind who supported Jim Crow policies. Segregation was forced on most businesses by the law. Woolworth did not care who sat at their lunch counters as long as they paid their tab. Neither did Greyhound care where their ticket buyers sat. The law forced them to care. The people who supported Jim Crow would not have hired blacks because they did not want them around.ken in txhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345764031059905578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36208820924992135252020-08-02T15:47:21.045-05:002020-08-02T15:47:21.045-05:00Blogger Mark said...
It's telling that the fir...<br />Blogger Mark said...<br />It's telling that the first example of the free marketplace of ideas you would use is personal insults.<br /><br /><br />So? What's your point? Brooks beat Sumner half to death with a cane on the House floor over a policy issue. He chose to take it as a personal insult.Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7091601064710566222020-08-02T09:58:39.958-05:002020-08-02T09:58:39.958-05:00It's telling that the first example of the fre...It's telling that the first example of the free marketplace of ideas you would use is personal insults.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49739616198061421532020-08-02T09:23:15.547-05:002020-08-02T09:23:15.547-05:00It's "bad faith" all the way Doooooo...It's "bad faith" all the way Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooown.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34353398961081424422020-08-01T20:56:04.678-05:002020-08-01T20:56:04.678-05:00The First Amendment applies only to restrain gover...The First Amendment applies only to restrain government. The free marketplace of ideas is essential to any civil society and is broader than any man-made constitution.<br /><br /><br />Against this, I would observe that the United States was founded under the institution of the code duello, which allowed people to shoot each other (or use swords, etc.), over things like blows or other material injuries (like fraud, adultery, breach of promise, dishonoring one's sister, etc.), but also insults. <br /><br />We call each other names, like faggot, bastard, son of a bitch, motherfucker, shit-eater, cunt, slut, whore, traitor, fascist, commie, liar, cheat, and more and worse, all the time here, that in 1800 would have caused endless dates involving pistols for two and coffee for one.<br /><br />Maybe it's better now, but in the founding of this nation there was absolutely no private immunity of speech. You spoke, and you faced the consequences, just not from Jefferson or Madison or Jackson.Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19461384589211066092020-08-01T19:58:28.488-05:002020-08-01T19:58:28.488-05:00I have nothing to say.
Neither does Eve.I have nothing to say.<br /><br />Neither does Eve.Jersey Fledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06868775271542473106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62989599972324502232020-08-01T19:38:11.344-05:002020-08-01T19:38:11.344-05:00Gill, would it be okay? Would it be lawful? Woul...Gill, would it be okay? Would it be lawful? Would it be a violation of worker’s civil rights?Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32281476473867779972020-08-01T18:40:19.440-05:002020-08-01T18:40:19.440-05:00JAORE said...
when did it fall out of fashion to w...JAORE said...<br />when did it fall out of fashion to write and speak in a manner that communicates clearly?<br /><br />When teh Left discovered that their ideas are all pathetic crap that is easily taken apart any time rational discussion is allowedGreg The Class Traitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01222722152851867806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56346168475642979572020-08-01T18:07:14.099-05:002020-08-01T18:07:14.099-05:00Char Char Binks, Esq. said...
Would it be okay...<i>Char Char Binks, Esq. said...<br /> Would it be okay for a company to fire employees for voting as long as it applies to all employees of that business? </i><br /><br />and Jar Jar? you think that THAT would be a 1st amendment issue? Really?gilbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949243924046064880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65059090912868753322020-08-01T18:05:43.653-05:002020-08-01T18:05:43.653-05:00Extreme nutjobs of all stripes label themselves th...Extreme nutjobs of all stripes label themselves the opposite of what they really are. The woksters are in a fugue state. Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01048255624944551506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75603625821905633582020-08-01T17:44:10.252-05:002020-08-01T17:44:10.252-05:00I don't think it is unintelligible. I actually...I don't think it is unintelligible. I actually slogged through the whole dismal thing, and it is merely incoherent. She would like to mount a defense of cancel culture, preferably one based upon the right of people to be heard. Apparently she continued the attempt for several paragraphs, but the necessary logic failed to emerge, so she threw in some family history (Daddy issues, I'm thinking), and then offers us the hopeful example of modern South Africa, where she spends much of her time, and which she believes is a hopeful model for America's demographic future. She appears to be saying that things will be much better once America's Black majority has democratically assumed political power, because Black people just inherently have more respect for freedom of expression than bigoted and dictatorial white people like herself. Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13442287942659889862020-08-01T17:29:22.145-05:002020-08-01T17:29:22.145-05:00Would it be okay for a company to fire employees f...Would it be okay for a company to fire employees for voting as long as it applies to all employees of that business? <br /><br />Bait taken, hook set, fish landed!Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61410772271356102722020-08-01T17:27:45.301-05:002020-08-01T17:27:45.301-05:00when did it fall out of fashion to write and speak...when did it fall out of fashion to write and speak in a manner that communicates clearly?JAOREhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819907966430540035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76021468128058952262020-08-01T17:18:36.514-05:002020-08-01T17:18:36.514-05:00I've said it before here: Leftists supported ...I've said it before here: Leftists supported free speech when they felt that Rightists were in charge of the institutions that mattered: The early days of the Cold War up until some point fairly late in the Viet Nam War. Since then, the Left has increasingly taken control of the Academy, the Media, and now the Technosphere. It took awhile, but now, they have the power to prevent speech of which they disapprove, and so they do. They don't believe in free speech with which they disagree, no matter what they claim. The Godfatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10575359417766667457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40199150546370230612020-08-01T16:38:21.387-05:002020-08-01T16:38:21.387-05:00Naranayan said: CT = critical theory?!
Q: so why ...Naranayan said: CT = critical theory?!<br /><br />Q: so why do I see it claimed to be Marxist leftist in many comment threads?<br />since Kant (his successors and followers) called his works "Critical Philosophy"<br />but Kant is admired extolled by rightist academics. }}}<br /><br /> I kan't address why Kant termed his works "Critical Philosophy" but I can address what Marx has to do with Critical Theory. CT begins with Marx's proposition that all of human society consists of economic groups that struggle for power. The relationship between groups is always ordered such that one group oppresses and the other is oppressed. Critical theorists took the idea of humanity being divided along economic lines and declared that there are many other bases for human groups such as race, sex, and class--but that the oppressor/oppressed dynamic is always in place. <br />RigelDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10409429305137733965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70047290786269294822020-08-01T16:18:20.565-05:002020-08-01T16:18:20.565-05:00I once was part of a Greek chorus in a parody play...I once was part of a Greek chorus in a parody play for a local theater. Speaking intelligibly as a group is very, very hard. (The guy playing the main character didn't know his lines. We had to ad lib to get him on track. Try doing that as a chorus.)<br /><br />As a former copy editor and a former op-ed columnist, I don't care for the use of "interrogate" as a synonym for "question." It makes the reader stop to figure out the meaning. When readers stop, they often decide it's not worth it and go do something else. Competent writers write clearly.Joanne Jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06801487780819716845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5422622587877021232020-08-01T16:17:17.370-05:002020-08-01T16:17:17.370-05:00People who think freedom of expression is limited ...<i>People who think freedom of expression is limited to the First Amendment are idiots.</i><br /><br />Thank you, Jason. And thankfully your correction made it through moderation before I was about to point out the same thing.<br /><br />The First Amendment applies only to restrain government. The free marketplace of ideas is essential to any civil society and is broader than any man-made constitution.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48274369213495560702020-08-01T15:49:23.961-05:002020-08-01T15:49:23.961-05:00Is anyone else missing Christopher Hitchens as dee...Is anyone else missing Christopher Hitchens as deeply as I am? I would love to read what he would have to say about current events. I miss his writing terribly - this is a good time for a re-read of his "Letters to a Young Contrarian" or "Why Orwell Matters".<br /><br /> ALPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902185031359525209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22517634435936020672020-08-01T15:20:46.136-05:002020-08-01T15:20:46.136-05:00Q: so why do I see it claimed to be Marxist leftis...<i>Q: so why do I see it claimed to be Marxist leftist in many comment threads?<br />since Kant (his successors and followers) called his works "Critical Philosophy"<br />but Kant is admired extolled by rightist academics.</i><br /><br />Critical Theory was formulated by disaffected Marxists, but its current use is better described as Marxian rather than being Marxist in nature. The distinction is that classical Marxism was based on class distinctions while the current wave is based on identity groups. The Marxian logic used to form the newer conclusions is related to Marx's use of it to build his version of the class war. The envisioned future war is over identity, not class. Its called "Marxist leftist" in many threads because many threads are not formulated to withstand interrogation like yours.<br /><br />That's quite a reach to drag Kant into this. I'm critical of your attempt to do so. mezzrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12478421535218939895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54950345284683234282020-08-01T15:08:25.293-05:002020-08-01T15:08:25.293-05:00"Marquess of Queensberry Rules you are.”
Now..."Marquess of Queensberry Rules you are.”<br /><br />Now the rules are set by Katy Kingsbury at the NYT. tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85417537212903387882020-08-01T14:35:03.735-05:002020-08-01T14:35:03.735-05:00Tim in Vermont: I saw an interesting comment, mayb...Tim in Vermont: <i>I saw an interesting comment, maybe it was here, maybe on Twitter, where when it was pointed out that free speech doesn’t protect a person from “consequences” like losing their livelihood or whatever, only from the government, and somebody pointed out that employers in the Jim Crow south used to fire blacks who registered to vote. They weren’t the government, after all, it was only “consequences.”</i><br /><br />People who think freedom of expression is limited to the First Amendment are idiots.<br /><br />The mob has always been a major threat to freedom of expression. Our natural rights are inalienable against the state and the mob alike. Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16517956537865658903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4165086776330393432020-08-01T14:20:07.112-05:002020-08-01T14:20:07.112-05:00I feel the need to invest in a protocol droid that...<i>I feel the need to invest in a protocol droid that can translate woke...</i><br /><br />An easy droid to make, since woke always translates to "Shut up, bigot!"Bob Loblawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081916786770290968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8779207814736723582020-08-01T14:17:59.632-05:002020-08-01T14:17:59.632-05:00For instance, I’m banned from Twitter, so I can’t ...For instance, I’m banned from Twitter, so I can’t be part of the discourse, 1A or no, and Facebook suspend me so often that I gave up. <br /><br />Althouse has sometimes banned some of my comments, but it’s her blog , and I don’t blame her. Yes, I sometimes say things even more offensive than most of you know. At least she hasn’t banned me completely, because she actually believes in free speech, bless her little heart!Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71387095830616912272020-08-01T14:10:30.747-05:002020-08-01T14:10:30.747-05:00We have antitrust laws to protect businesses and c...We have antitrust laws to protect businesses and consumers from powerful commercial interests, but we seem to have effectively very little protection of our fundamental 1A rights, even if the biggest threats to them are from companies that could not exist but for ARPA and DARPA, paid for by the people, or possibly the even bigger threat from China. Banning TikTok is a step in the right direction.Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.com