tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7616819593518132118..comments2024-03-28T10:12:15.802-05:00Comments on Althouse: The haboob in Texas. Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20749035889179281382016-06-02T14:42:59.521-05:002016-06-02T14:42:59.521-05:00"the change from tidal wave to tsunami, becau...<i>"the change from tidal wave to tsunami, because of [...] increased accuracy"</i><br /><br />"Harbor wave" is more accurate than "tidal wave" for a wave caused by an earthquake?mikeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110343851206077587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74085320846543835922016-06-02T13:47:31.527-05:002016-06-02T13:47:31.527-05:00I survived the change from Brontosaurus to Apatosa...I survived the change from Brontosaurus to Apatosaurus, and the change from tidal wave to tsunami, because of supposed rules of naming precedence in the former and increased accuracy in the second, but "dust storm" is a perfectly good description for what happens in west Texas. No complication of a foreign word is required for perfect understanding.mikeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875483485290838207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74414072917633439142016-06-02T11:39:05.242-05:002016-06-02T11:39:05.242-05:00Only a pretentious boob would use the term haboob ...Only a pretentious boob would use the term haboob when dust storm is perfectly acceptable.<br /><br />Besides, it's Texas. We'll call a dust storm a dust storm.MAJMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02518049595313706775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82211622700024827802016-06-02T03:17:44.982-05:002016-06-02T03:17:44.982-05:00Helen Keller used to call them "ahhhrahhahhah...Helen Keller used to call them "ahhhrahhahhahahaaa" before she received treatment. And that was a long time ago.Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277966379512526469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6054437640423057272016-06-01T21:53:11.155-05:002016-06-01T21:53:11.155-05:00The word they use for "sandstorm" in Sau...The word they use for "sandstorm" in Saudi Arabia is "shammal", which means "north", the direction from which the sand comes.MathMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12418059046929654822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83905218380994280622016-06-01T21:50:09.760-05:002016-06-01T21:50:09.760-05:00tim in vermont said...
I bet if they used the Nava...<i>tim in vermont said...<br />I bet if they used the Navajo word, and it was easy for English speakers to say, it would catch on like wildfire. </i><br /><br />Almost no Navajo words are easy for non-Navajos to say. I posted their term above: "łeezh bił hááyol". Those funny letters mean funny sounds.Fernandinandehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11253225431705407699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65437003653480021292016-06-01T21:07:13.448-05:002016-06-01T21:07:13.448-05:00The question is, "whether you can make words ...The question is, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." For others: The question is, which is to be master. - what's that old saying? - nothing new, under the haboob"D 2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06176569163582096697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84406357128807147852016-06-01T17:52:07.715-05:002016-06-01T17:52:07.715-05:00Diamondhead,
According to the OED, the term haboo...Diamondhead,<br /><br />According to the OED, the term haboob has been in the American scientific literature since posted in Scientific American in 1973 and in British English far longer. It is a specific jargon term related to a type of dust storm. In medicine we use the term takotsuba cardiomyopathy to refer to what is commonly known as "broken heart syndrome" but because the latter is so non-specific, the literature uses the Japanese term or a host of other longer or epynomic terms that are not as descritive.<br /><br />It is not a suddenly found term but it did come to notice for a variety of political reasons. You are not required to use it. mikeyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05213298861892317555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31109086647506546472016-06-01T16:57:32.567-05:002016-06-01T16:57:32.567-05:00I bet if they used the Navajo word, and it was eas...I bet if they used the Navajo word, and it was easy for English speakers to say, it would catch on like wildfire. <br /><br />But how far back in pre-Columbian conquests would we have to go? Or is it just a skin color thing with you? tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5033375849030458962016-06-01T16:50:05.632-05:002016-06-01T16:50:05.632-05:00John, 4:26:
Seems to me I've read about that ...John, 4:26:<br /><br />Seems to me I've read about that one in 1980.<br /><br />If we should ever meet, the beer's on me. (No direct connection there, just my hat's off to you.)<br /><br />DIamondhead, 4:41:<br /><br />"That's why this unpleasant-to-say word popped up out of nowhere - to give people a much-needed chance to cast aspersions on those who don't like it."<br /><br />Exactly. Well put.JPShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09413052994164641967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90389148999904048452016-06-01T16:45:55.641-05:002016-06-01T16:45:55.641-05:00http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opini...<a rel="nofollow">http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2011/07/12/20110712tuelets123.html</a><br /><br />Not everyone from Arizona appreciates it, either.<br /><br />Diamondheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940004148024964720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28184664826270704532016-06-01T16:41:34.721-05:002016-06-01T16:41:34.721-05:00Hubbub.Hubbub.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52817385110830604902016-06-01T16:41:24.013-05:002016-06-01T16:41:24.013-05:00"And so on. There is a very nice list on Wiki..."And so on. There is a very nice list on Wikipedia. And while we are at it, we should probably ban any Farsi word, any Malay word, or any word from the languages of India and China since they have significant Muslim populations. Which includes English since it is the second language of educated persons in India and China. We can't have these corrupting influences."<br /><br />That's why this unpleasant-to-say word popped up out of nowhere - to give people a much-needed chance to cast aspersions on those who don't like it. Everyone knows languages borrow terms from other languages - this typically happens in a more organic way. <br /><br />"I wonder what the Navajo call dust storms, as using the local word is important."<br /><br />That would make more sense in the context of Arizona. Diamondheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940004148024964720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27477448266133059582016-06-01T16:26:48.348-05:002016-06-01T16:26:48.348-05:00I've thought about this for a while debating w...I've thought about this for a while debating whether or not to comment on the weather. As an aviator I flew through west Texas dust storms from from 1975 to 77 and I flew through an Iranian Haboob on April 25, 1980. They both seem to put a lot of dust in the air, but the Iranian Haboob certainly extended a lot higher than in west Texas... I was told it was because of the unique soil composition of the Iranian desert.<br /><br />In my humble opinion dirt storms should be in the primary language of the people getting dirty... in west Texas maybe it should be "dust storm/tormenta de arena."<br /><br />Just say'n.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361837738099549106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85983195240029534222016-06-01T16:12:14.643-05:002016-06-01T16:12:14.643-05:00No word yet from Texas as to whether it's stil...No word yet from Texas as to whether it's still okay to use the word "tornado".<br /><br /><i> Its a twister dammit! Speak English!!</i>Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-819873928344918482016-06-01T14:48:35.804-05:002016-06-01T14:48:35.804-05:00Meanwhile, back in Washington: "I don't t...Meanwhile, back in Washington: "I don't think haboob is likely to replace dust storm, Mr. President. Too many boob jobs."<br /><br />Obama: "Well then is there anyway we can replace 'hotdogs and hamburgers' with 'kabobs and tacos' in time for July 4th?"Rosalyn C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05868527120018363058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63247897901870481202016-06-01T14:47:20.104-05:002016-06-01T14:47:20.104-05:00What do call it when you get paid to chase dust st...What do call it when you get paid to chase dust storms?<br /><br />Haboob job.Bob Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14217663230833386582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33377933132024071532016-06-01T14:22:35.709-05:002016-06-01T14:22:35.709-05:00And dammit...it's "Tidal Wave", not ...And dammit...it's "Tidal Wave", not "Tsunami". I mean, the wave has nothing to do with tides, but I'm keeping the old name because I like it!Xmashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512911190985990931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14197185439364220032016-06-01T14:15:19.762-05:002016-06-01T14:15:19.762-05:00Besides haboob there is derecho, instead of bow ec...Besides haboob there is derecho, instead of bow echo storm. And I was a weather guy as recently as 1986. Just like everyone else weather people like to show off, and prove that they're the cool kids. By tossing in Arabic words, they can virtue signal as well.<br /><br />God knows a guy can stand on the deck of a motel down south in his company windbreaker while the wind and rain roar around him. Then the live shot ends and he walks back into the motel room. The camera and sound guy did their work from inside. And people will watch that for hours.Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23019481546781249772016-06-01T13:42:51.126-05:002016-06-01T13:42:51.126-05:00I grew up in Arizona, decades ago, and we called t...I grew up in Arizona, decades ago, and we called them "dust storms". Nobody heard or said the word "haboob". That is a modern craptastrophy. The left and east coasts invented "haboob" for the fly-over states.Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53200500223943311922016-06-01T13:40:55.635-05:002016-06-01T13:40:55.635-05:00Mark said...
Diamondhead, you are right, we should...<i>Mark said...<br />Diamondhead, you are right, we should be using the local term.<br /><br />I wonder what the Navajo call dust storms, as using the local word is important. </i><br /><br />Are you being deliberately obtuse? Yes, of course you are.tim maguirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717622436074043099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87464862067694815992016-06-01T13:39:25.331-05:002016-06-01T13:39:25.331-05:00Weather people, like physicians use words in a ver...Weather people, like physicians use words in a very specific way and the terms often have a different meaning elsewhere. Virago is a good example. The reason for this specificity has to do with clarification. A snowstorm has to meet specific criteria before it is a blizzard but most of us would call a heavy snowstorm a blizzard even if it isn't. Random use of specific terms is common but to the proffesional is sloppy. mikeyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05213298861892317555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32767544436520109102016-06-01T13:20:35.626-05:002016-06-01T13:20:35.626-05:00"as such, it should be using the local term f..."as such, it should be using the local term for the weather event."<br /><br />When my father was growing up in Iowa, tornados were called "cyclones" and everybody had a cyclone cellar.<br /><br />Now they are called tornados and nobody has a cyclone cellar. Progress.Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73668799408233848882016-06-01T13:09:47.199-05:002016-06-01T13:09:47.199-05:00Amarillo High School's mascot is the "San...Amarillo High School's mascot is the "Sandies". Harks back to the dust bowl days. Maybe it is time for them to change their mascot to the Haboobs!Lylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09082051710068390275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55720885104068637942016-06-01T13:08:39.501-05:002016-06-01T13:08:39.501-05:00Just to beat on the point: words are currency. Th...Just to beat on the point: words are currency. Those who traffic in them usually do so to get somewhere else, that is, they do not intend to use the words to confuse but to do some work in the world. When the smartypants stick in their special new word, it might sometimes add value (information) to the people learning it; or it may just degrade a concept and "inflate the currency." Here? Haboob has a precise meaning. Now it is being asked to describe (possibly) very different phenomena. As if they were the same. So we are faced with a mapping problem. Does the phenomenon become partitioned so that some part of it actually fits the received meaning of haboob? Or does haboob expand or drift to cover the whole phenomenon formerly known as "dust storm"?<br /><br />Bottom line, we all work on this issue constantly with every word we use, but we don't generally create the issue by forcing a word into circulation. Why is this being done?Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08376749487613936205noreply@blogger.com