tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7401654013632248902..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Harvard Law students are not in the 'pursuit of truth.' They’re not scientists. They’re not researchers."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20464469363655198522010-05-05T04:04:31.036-05:002010-05-05T04:04:31.036-05:00>> Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of b...>> Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of books and articles about string theory, monads, and racial purity.<br /><br />> That's very special, Seven. Run along, now.<br /><br />About all three at once? I guess Neil Stephenson has been very busy recently. :)Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29062351128219841742010-05-05T03:34:10.256-05:002010-05-05T03:34:10.256-05:00Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of books and ...<i>Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of books and articles about string theory, monads, and racial purity.</i><br /><br />That's very special, Seven. Run along, now.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54321224271565427462010-05-05T01:38:44.573-05:002010-05-05T01:38:44.573-05:00vet66 said...
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It doesn't ap...vet66 said...<br />"""<br />It doesn't appear to me that the Socratic method of discourse (dialectic) is popular among the elitists for about the last 50 years.<br />"""<br /><br />That's right, vet.<br /><br />Now drink your hemlock like a good little boy!Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16168772224749637682010-05-05T01:35:51.952-05:002010-05-05T01:35:51.952-05:00[I should have said:
And Galileo chose--deliberate...[I should have said:<br />And Galileo chose--deliberately--<b>to suppose, as true, that which was false</b>, in order to distill what was absurd about the supposition.]Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49805024065858301892010-05-05T01:27:07.525-05:002010-05-05T01:27:07.525-05:00"""
This is one of those common mis..."""<br />This is one of those common misconceptions like the idea that heavier objects fall faster than light objects.<br />""" <br />:-)<br /><br />Interestingly, your remark gives rise to a serious point. Galileo put such ideas not only to an empirical, but to thought experiments. What he said was (and historians are invited to correct my take on it): lets suppose heavier objects do fall faster. Place a heavier object upon a lighter object. Combined, they should fall <i>faster</i>. Yet the lighter object, tending to fall more slowly than the heavier, would impede the fall of the heavier, and so the fall should be <i>slower</i> than that of the heavier object alone. A similar conflict is reached if we assume lighter objects fall faster.<br /><br />Conclusion? Speed of a body's free-fall is independent of its heaviness. <br /><br />Now thanks to Galileo, the "light vs heavy" dichotomy of Aristotle becomes a continuum. The idea of "weight" steps back to give center stage to the idea of "mass". We see that force is not the source of motion, but of change in motion. He was a giant.<br /><br />And here is the relevant point. His legacy is a result, not only of empirical observation, but also (and perhaps most importantly) in his stretching, distillation, and transformation if <i>ideas</i>.<br /><br />In sociology, the idea of race is important. In cognitive science, the idea of intelligence is important. Galileo worked with things that can be readily measured. Cognitive scientists and sociologists, not so much so. But Galileo's thought experiments did not require measurement. They required him only to think about old ideas in a new way.<br /><br />AND TO DELIBERATELY SUPPOSE SOMETHING THAT WAS FALSE, IN ORDER TO FIND (AND DISTILL) THE ABSURDITY IN THE SUPPOSITION. <br /><br />This was valuable when the common view was that heavy objects fell faster. It would have been valuable even if it were the common view that they did not.<br /><br />Where are our Galileos today in sociology? In cognitive science? In -- shall I say it -- jurisprudence?<br /><br />And are there pertinent issues of constraints, which might be informed by the Galilean story?Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50548774891596808112010-05-05T00:10:57.711-05:002010-05-05T00:10:57.711-05:00former law student - If IQ is used as a proxy for ...former law student - <i>If IQ is used as a proxy for intelligence we have to explain how the subnormal Jews of WW I got so much smarter in just a generation.</i><br /><br />Something similar happened with southern Italians during the same time period. We can probably attribute it to a combination of adequate nutrition, particularly in utero, in the United States as well as the opportunity to marry and breed with partners who were not from the same village and so less likely to be some degree of cousin. The first generation born in the US tended to be several inches taller than their parents as well and they had lower rates of birth defects and infant mortality as well.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04368121483576724617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91029898323267197412010-05-05T00:06:15.397-05:002010-05-05T00:06:15.397-05:00Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of books and ...Revenant -- I can give you all kinds of books and articles about string theory, monads, and racial purity. <br /><br />I had no idea you were a secret Tom Buchanan. These other people, sure. I know they are out there. But you I am surprised at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10195157401251377472010-05-04T23:56:34.268-05:002010-05-04T23:56:34.268-05:00Mark - Something similar could be seen in the furo...Mark - <i>Something similar could be seen in the furor against Sarah Palin for giving birth to a child with Down Syndrome.</i><br /><br />former law student - <i>Wow, I missed that furor entirely.</i><br /><br />Congratulations on recovering from the coma in which you must have spent most of 2008.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04368121483576724617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46511682491102702992010-05-04T23:56:02.210-05:002010-05-04T23:56:02.210-05:00While I wait for that, I presume you will continue...<i>While I wait for that, I presume you will continue to fling feces and shout RACIST.</i><br /><br />Duh?<br /><br />I mean, seriously, have you not spotted the pattern yet? You cite scientific studies; Seven replies with some variant on "only assholes believe that". Lather, rinse, repeat.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55109871060534507452010-05-04T23:45:09.605-05:002010-05-04T23:45:09.605-05:00former law student - Certainly women are dumber th...former law student - <i>Certainly women are dumber than men -- their breasts siphon off cells meant for the brain. Therefore the smaller the bra cup, the brighter the woman.</i><br /><br />This is one of those common misconceptions like the idea that heavier objects fall faster than light objects. It is easy to understand how the this mistaken idea got started. Boobs, especially big ones make men stupid. It is natural to assume that being around those IQ zapping fun bags would have an adverse effect on the owner's intellect but that is simply not true.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04368121483576724617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21304483474079179212010-05-04T23:40:54.992-05:002010-05-04T23:40:54.992-05:00Gabriel -- There is no such thing as race and ther...Gabriel -- There is no such thing as race and there is definitely, definitely no such thing as IQ. It's all bullshit. <br /><br />Do you ask atheists to tell you about the wondrous acts of God that led the Jews out of Egypt? Perhaps you'd like to know if pollywarbles as a group have higher LCX scores than giggersoretoots as a group. Would you like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52020005151536032332010-05-04T23:32:27.600-05:002010-05-04T23:32:27.600-05:00@Seven Machos:IQ and g mean nothing and measure no...@Seven Machos:<i>IQ and g mean nothing and measure nothing. Right. Yes.</i><br /><br />So you can point to another contemporary peer-reviewed study that finds no correlation between IQ and school performance? While I wait for that, I presume you will continue to fling feces and shout RACIST.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52403729289196654232010-05-04T23:27:02.879-05:002010-05-04T23:27:02.879-05:00So I can wear shorts??
Zing!<b>So I <i>can</i> wear shorts??</b><br /><br />Zing!Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28146124193178987482010-05-04T22:16:39.272-05:002010-05-04T22:16:39.272-05:00"I think the lesson here is that we should wa..."I think the lesson here is that we should want to experience our full humanity and to understand and respect and help each other as full human beings."<br /><br />So I <i><b>can</b></i> wear shorts??Oligonicellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656818633822942314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16242072458433057212010-05-04T21:32:01.302-05:002010-05-04T21:32:01.302-05:00IQ and g mean nothing and measure nothing. Right. ...IQ and g mean nothing and measure nothing. Right. Yes.<br /><br />Also, there are no monads and string theory is a bunch of shit. Global warming, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82496081278284557362010-05-04T19:31:28.876-05:002010-05-04T19:31:28.876-05:00The Bell Curve is 16 years old, so why do conserva...<i>The Bell Curve is 16 years old, so why do conservatives continue to cite it?</i><br /><br />The theory of relativity is 105 years old, and still cited regularly. The validity of a theory is not inversely proportional to its age.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18764033939040770642010-05-04T19:30:53.226-05:002010-05-04T19:30:53.226-05:00@FLS:
http://www.scopus.com/record/display.url?ei...@FLS:<br /><br />http://www.scopus.com/record/display.url?eid=2-s2.0-33845591161&origin=inward&txGid=tYAsDUoqT25Y8Uy4NN3IajY%3a2<br /><br />Got one more recent than 2007?<br /><br /><i>This 5-year prospective longitudinal study of 70,000 + English children examined the association between psychometric intelligence at age 11 years and educational achievement in national examinations in 25 academic subjects at age 16. The correlation between a latent intelligence trait (Spearman's g from CAT2E) and a latent trait of educational achievement (GCSE scores) was 0.81. General intelligence contributed to success on all 25 subjects. Variance accounted for ranged from 58.6% in Mathematics and 48% in English to 18.1% in Art and Design. Girls showed no advantage in g, but performed significantly better on all subjects except Physics. This was not due to their better verbal ability. At age 16, obtaining five or more GCSEs at grades A*-C is an important criterion. 61% of girls and 50% of boys achieved this. For those at the mean level of g at age 11, 58% achieved this; a standard deviation increase or decrease in g altered the values to 91% and 16%, respectively.</i><br /><br />Right. IQ and g mean nothing and measure nothing.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81295342113199434762010-05-04T19:26:31.229-05:002010-05-04T19:26:31.229-05:00Tests that are calibrated for white people do not ...<i>Tests that are calibrated for white people do not accurately measure non-whites.</i><br /><br />FLS, that's not what happened and you know it.<br /><br />Many, many tests over the last fifty years give different results from a few tests done 80 years ago. Yet you expect the few tests done 80 years ago to trump the others and damn the whole idea of testing.<br /><br /><i>The Bell Curve is 16 years old, so why do conservatives continue to cite it?</i><br /><br />By that logic, my 300 year-old source should be more relevant than your 50-year-old one.<br /><br />Even you are not that stupid.<br /><br />The Bell Curve summed up the state of contemporary research. Please show me more recent research that invalidate the studies presented there.<br /><br />You won't like going through the last 16 years of research with me. Better stick to fifty-year-old condemnations of invalid testing and try to pretend that's what modern researchers still do.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83845698936612329992010-05-04T19:24:44.498-05:002010-05-04T19:24:44.498-05:00Tests that are calibrated for white people do not ...<i>Tests that are calibrated for white people do not accurately measure non-whites.</i><br /><br />How exactly does one go about calibrating a test "for white people"? There is no common "white" language, culture, religion, or environment. In fact, the only way intelligence tests could be calibrated by race... is if intelligence was a function of race. Huh.<br /><br />Even if you meant to say that, for example, American IQ tests are calibrated for white Americans, you're still mistaken. That hasn't been the case for decades. I would also observe that the "these tests are biased for white people" theory doesn't explain why, e.g., Chinese people have higher mean scores than "white people" do.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32897435930577448032010-05-04T19:13:27.962-05:002010-05-04T19:13:27.962-05:00When I want to know the current state of research ...<i>When I want to know the current state of research in my field, I turn to books written 50 years ago!<br /></i><br /><br />The Bell Curve is 16 years old, so why do conservatives continue to cite it?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27979487370696223832010-05-04T19:12:09.058-05:002010-05-04T19:12:09.058-05:00Let's anchor Hanna's analogy a little more...Let's anchor Hanna's analogy a little more firmly into the case.<br /><br />Yesterday afternoon the scale at the gym said that H weighed 180.5 pounds. Shlomo weighed 200. H went home to his fifty-year-old bathroom scale that evening and found he weighed 181 pounds. Shlomo weighed 175. Next morning H went to the doctor's office and that scale said I weighed 179.9 pounds. Shlomo weighed 202.<br /><br />What do we conclude from this?<br /><br />Tests that are calibrated for white people do not accurately measure non-whites.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24323336400062528022010-05-04T19:01:09.893-05:002010-05-04T19:01:09.893-05:00Incidentally, neither a bathroom scale, a pan bala...Incidentally, neither a bathroom scale, a pan balance, nor a mass spectrometer measure "weight".<br /><br />A bathroom scale measures the compression of a spring. A pan balance measures the difference between the forces applied to it by two masses. And a mass spectrometer measures the time of flight of a molecule.<br /><br />Why do these measurements correlate with each other when none of them measure the same thing? It must all be coincidence--everyone knows that no one can tell how heavy something is by a simple "test".<br /><br />Fat people everywhere are demeaned by this bogus "science".Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16871649695459161102010-05-04T18:32:22.759-05:002010-05-04T18:32:22.759-05:00If IQ is used as a proxy for intelligence we have ...<i>If IQ is used as a proxy for intelligence we have to explain how the subnormal Jews of WW I got so much smarter in just a generation.</i><br /><br />Yesterday afternoon the scale at the gym said that I weighed 180.5 pounds. I went home to my fifty-year-old bathroom scale that evening and found I weighed 205 pounds. Next morning I went to the doctor's office and that scale said I weighed 179.9 pounds.<br /><br />What do we conclude from this?<br /><br />a) I gained 15 pounds on my way home from the gym and lost it overnight.<br /><br />b) The concept of a test for mass is inherently flawed and all bathroom scales, pan balances, mass spectrometers and planetary orbits are meaningless--it is impossible to determine whether one person is heavier than another by some simple "test".<br /><br />c) My bathroom scale is probably wrong.<br /><br />FLS believes that a and b are more likely than c, either because FLS cannot grasp the concept of "correlation", or because FLS has turned his/her brain off for this argument. FLS also identifies as part of the reality-based community.<br /><br /><i>Filleting cultural influences out of IQ tests is just about impossible.</i><br /><br />Because people of different cultures don't see blinking lights in the same way, I guess, and they push buttons differently too. And people of different cultures, when asked to repeat numbers or letters backwards, must have mysterious cultural taboos against participating in such tests or something. And these mysterious cultural influences also force one to do poorly in school, on the GRE and SAT, and on the ASVAB.<br /><br /><i>The failure of IQ tests to measure intelligence was described a half-century ago, in Hoffmann's The Tyranny of Testing.</i><br /><br />When I want to know the current state of research in my field, I turn to books written 50 years ago!<br /><br />Meanwhile, we learn from Galen that germs are bunk, it's all humors. And we learn from Galton that IQ tests are nonsense and we should be measuring skulls. I'm about to write a paper about phlogiston and I'm going to cite Cavendish.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86351034406564253262010-05-04T18:23:06.991-05:002010-05-04T18:23:06.991-05:00Althouse: I think the lesson here is that we shoul...Althouse: <em>I think the lesson here is that we should want to experience our full humanity and to understand and respect and help each other as full human beings.</em><br /><br />Wrong.<br /><br />It think we should read Saul Alinsky's tactics and use them relentlessly, without reservation or remorse on Libtard lawyers, including their bloggers.paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13147624765750337642010-05-04T15:46:01.071-05:002010-05-04T15:46:01.071-05:00am i the only person seeing the contradiction here...am i the only person seeing the contradiction here?<br /><br />Althouse wants us to denounce this crushing of dissent, and i tend to agree, but this is nothing compared to the crushing of dissent that occurred in regards to south park. But she thinks we should just take that, stand impotently on the sidelines as people are silenced by threats of violence, while we should all get riled up about this more minor infringement.<br /><br />Well, if you have your priorities straight, how about you come over to my blog and contribute to freedom of speech and draw mohammed today? http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.com