tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post735692902284143053..comments2024-03-28T17:12:36.615-05:00Comments on Althouse: The 5 believers and the 5 "cons" — the background to Obama's spontaneous remarks about race.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32458100138065084672013-07-20T20:30:35.722-05:002013-07-20T20:30:35.722-05:00It may have been that the President's speech w...It may have been that the President's speech was in part an attempt to boost the turnout at the Trayvon Exploitation Rallies. I will be interested in seeing the crowd size estimates in the MSM. The numbers should be as inflated as the Tea Party rallies attendence numbers were systematically under reported.<br /><br />The President has had several speeches supposedly revealing his wise and healing insights into race issues. His convention speech in 2004, his post Jeremiah Wright speech in 2008 come to mind. And who could forget the Beer Summit. But his real beliefs are to be found in his actions in the appointment of Eric America-is afraid-to-have-an-honest-conversation-about-race Holder and the racist application of the law under Holder's leadership. caplight45https://www.blogger.com/profile/05812859612469770448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46100452347022700792013-07-20T20:13:41.785-05:002013-07-20T20:13:41.785-05:00Thus, we contrarians are summoned to the comments....Thus, we contrarians are summoned to the comments.<br /><br />Always set aside an empty chair for the sixth con.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520113896946845614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16052565839998399062013-07-20T20:12:15.357-05:002013-07-20T20:12:15.357-05:00Johanna,
"a Colt revolver clicked..."
...Johanna,<br /><br />"<i>a Colt revolver clicked...</i>"<br /><br />You know the saying: the second-loudest sound in the world is "click" when you expected to hear "BANG!"<br /><br />Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58074768636557453872013-07-20T19:26:22.041-05:002013-07-20T19:26:22.041-05:00Perhaps the speech has already had a desirable eff...Perhaps the speech has already had a desirable effect? <br /><br />Your later post notes that hundreds turned out for the rallies today. Really? Hundreds? Not hundreds of thousands? Hundreds of African Americans (and others) took part in these rallies while around 40 million stayed home?Michael Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14743374948688708232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64242161435137149052013-07-20T18:53:25.715-05:002013-07-20T18:53:25.715-05:00So, the President wants me to understand that if I...So, the President wants me to understand that if I am driving in my neigborhood, and I see one of Eric Holder's people walking around, I need to stay in that car unless I want my cracka ass beat. But don't lock the doors. Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139761982345015922013-07-20T18:24:48.520-05:002013-07-20T18:24:48.520-05:00Only five companions? What happened to the other ...Only five companions? What happened to the other seven?Matthew the IRS agenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505260019904884184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37168336236596051392013-07-20T18:22:31.135-05:002013-07-20T18:22:31.135-05:00To me, Obama almost always disappoints. I thought...To me, Obama almost always disappoints. I thought what he said about context was somewhat helpful to understand how blacks feel about the Martin situation. The part about him, it is always about him, was stupid. Would he 35 years ago have looked for the chance to beat the crap out of a guy who was "following" him. His falure to say anything of an even vaguely sympathetic nature about Zimmerman was bad. Obama seldom really acts as president of all the people. What he has a chance to make a difference, he fails.Kansas Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630367629067743935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24499132475856398332013-07-20T18:18:49.129-05:002013-07-20T18:18:49.129-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matthew the IRS agenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505260019904884184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30522026018298613482013-07-20T18:09:05.425-05:002013-07-20T18:09:05.425-05:00@ Revenant,
If Zimmerman was dead or incapacitate...@ Revenant,<br /><br />If Zimmerman was dead or incapacitated, It would be Trayvon's story that was told, and it almost certainly would have claimed that Zimmerman swung at him first.<br />The gun would have stayed in its holster until the ME stripped the body, and would not have been a part of it, unless someone bothered to wonder why Zimmerman had not pulled it, which is unlikely, since there just never would have been a court case.<br /><br />Which brings to mind; with what is now known, do we know the identity of the person who put the Martin/Zimmerman "incident" on UTube 3 weeks after the shooting, and whether this person is an employee of the Civil Rights Division of the DoJ, or related to some such employee?Hagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653025261513705773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12833391780256997942013-07-20T18:04:02.842-05:002013-07-20T18:04:02.842-05:00President Obama masterfully waited for the day bef...President Obama masterfully waited for the day before the scheduled big rallies, warned Al Sharpton and the other organizers he would put any violence on them as a dishonor of Trayvon Martin, signaled in a roundabout fashion that Trayvon had no right to kill George Zimmerman for being a crazy ass cracker (for which brother Robert Zimmerman thanked him), then completely undercut Eric Holder by all but closing the federal civil rights investigation and calling off the national conversation on race.<br /><br />We'll see if it works, but the President may have just earned his Nobel Peace Prize.Left Bank of the Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04494310302328322830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72375640419323652022013-07-20T17:44:17.607-05:002013-07-20T17:44:17.607-05:00It is not illegal to follow another person. It is ...It is not illegal to follow another person. It <b>is</b> illegal to assault them, absent imminent threat. Trayvon Martin was fatally stupid, and he broke the law.<br /><br />What I find remarkable about this all is that Mr. Obama is now and once again occupying himself with an issue at a level which in other circumstances would never make it anywhere near a CEO's desk.<br /><br />He must, therefore, have a potent reason for getting involved. It is, of course, and once again, from Alinsky: "Rub raw the sores of discontent." This case has always been about pushing black turnout in whatever the next election happens to be. Doubt me? Name one other black victim of gun violence ...Bart Hall (Kansas, USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02147750474452837414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4913365670679718112013-07-20T17:38:40.056-05:002013-07-20T17:38:40.056-05:00If Zimmerman's head had hit the edge of the si...<i>If Zimmerman's head had hit the edge of the sidewalk so that Zimmerman had died or been severely brain damaged, Trayvon Martin would have been the defendant in the case, and would most likely have claimed the "Stand your Ground" statute in his defense. Would it have held up?</i><br /><br />Almost certainly not, since there iss no evidence Zimmerman either threatened or attacked Trayvon Martin. "I was beating his ass and noticed he had a gun in a holster, so I killed him" is not a legitimate defense under "stand your ground".Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64171977826294664932013-07-20T16:14:51.373-05:002013-07-20T16:14:51.373-05:00Obama, briefly, mentioned black on black crime and...Obama, briefly, mentioned black on black crime and the disproportionate black crime rates. But then he quickly backtracked and implied the reason for this was the legacy of slavery.<br /><br />I don't find this explanation accurate or helpful. First, Thomas Sowell has shown it to be false in his studies of black crime rates in the 1930's and 40's. Second, it proposes a cause that is intractable. And third, it offers an easy excuse to the perpetrators. mtrobertsattorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428761048285792427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44894001373098728212013-07-20T16:09:27.098-05:002013-07-20T16:09:27.098-05:00I appreciated the remarks of Charles Barkley. What...I appreciated the remarks of Charles Barkley. What has gone on in the public arena since the trial of George Zimmerman has a tribal Lord of the Flies 'Kill the Beast' quality to it. What the book lacked was a reason for the projection of evil which was to be projected into the other. In this case the violence of TM is ignored, his youthful homophobia and all fault is projected into GZ who came into his circle of consideration. So we have a completion of the 'Kill the Beast' orgiastic excitement. I am genuinely shocked at its primitiveness. The president's remarks are a minor help but certainly don't acknowledge my perception.a psychiatrist who learned from veteranshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347313804041291393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67904247698891985882013-07-20T16:09:26.453-05:002013-07-20T16:09:26.453-05:00A more apt Dylan song metaphor would be "Lily...A more apt Dylan song metaphor would be "Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts." <br /><br />Big Jim profiling the Jack, a hanging judge, boys lying on the ground, Lily thinkin' about the law, the leading actor in a monk's hood.<br /><br />"No one knew the circumstance, <br />but they say it happened pretty quick<br />The door to the dressing room burst open <br />a Colt revolver clicked..."<br /> <br />But for all the onstage sound and fury, the distracting hullabaloo and spectacle, nobody's paying any attention at all to the nonstop drilling in the basement wall. Johanna Lapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11683581129390692385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57434377796299160532013-07-20T16:06:04.465-05:002013-07-20T16:06:04.465-05:00gadflyjohn,
Please don't make it sound like m...gadflyjohn,<br /><br />Please don't make it sound like mistakes only accompany door A. You don't have to be Radley Balko to think the police are fallible, too!<br />Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68778485944806278172013-07-20T15:16:35.390-05:002013-07-20T15:16:35.390-05:00Everyone seems to be overlooking that it was a del...Everyone seems to be overlooking that it was a deliberate intention of Obama that radicalized the death of Mr. Martin in the first instance. Mr. Zimmerman's grandmother was African-American (0ne of them). While I personally reject all of this racialization of blood, in America, one black grandmother qualifies you as black in the Ivy League and every leigslative program our moronic courts and legislatures have crafted since 1876.<br />Obama is at least as incompetent as his two predecessors. What he is doing is what passes for bully pulpit and policy in his cynical world. <br />The sewage has been rising for some years now but the rtate is accelerating.<br />jono39https://www.blogger.com/profile/14714249827236701932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35210055563028067312013-07-20T14:54:51.168-05:002013-07-20T14:54:51.168-05:00I would add CONfused. His comments on self defense...I would add CONfused. His comments on self defense and stand your ground were CONtrary to the law. Kinda embarrassing for a guy with a degree from Harvard Law. Might indicate why he never published anything in the Law Review.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/07/obama-misarticulates-self-defense.html</a><br /><br />Cordially,<br /><br />Uncle JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86721299408815813332013-07-20T14:38:41.344-05:002013-07-20T14:38:41.344-05:00"Stand your ground" does not just refer ..."Stand your ground" does not just refer to defense with guns. <br />If Zimmerman's head had hit the edge of the sidewalk so that <i>Zimmerman</i> had died or been severely brain damaged, <i>Trayvon Martin</i> would have been the defendant in the case, and would most likely have claimed the "Stand your Ground" statute in his defense. Would it have held up?<br />Well, <i>Trayvon Martin</i> then would have been the sole survivor, and it would be <i>his</i> story that was told. <br /><br />People should think a little more about this before they jump on anyone's bandwagon.Hagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653025261513705773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21528780523531992662013-07-20T14:38:31.063-05:002013-07-20T14:38:31.063-05:00Did the race-obsessed media miss the obvious about...Did the race-obsessed media miss the obvious about Trayvon Martin?<br /><br /> <br />All the media now is debating whether Zimmerman racially profiled Martin because of his 311 call when he said "This guy looks like he is up to no good, or he's on drugs or something, It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about"<br /><br />So with all this dissection of what Zimmerman was thinking at the time, maybe we are missing the obvious. I have seen lots of people who look like they are on drugs just walking around and looking about -- especially in airports and grocery stores. They always strike me as very strange or even crazy.... they are talking to themselves and just staring around, not even paying attention to where they are.... <br /><br />Then I notice they are .... talking on a blue tooth mic hidden in their ear bud. <br /><br />Trayvon Martin's friend who he was on the phone with, Rachel Jeantel, testified that he was talking on a bluetooth phone connection with a mic on the ear bud line.. So Trayvon was talking into the air with no cell phone near his mouth or ear.<br /><br />Maybe all this commotion about "racial profiling" is really about "bluetooth crazy people profiling" that I am guilty of several times every week?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13275525234887124031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17610065915926511552013-07-20T14:38:13.922-05:002013-07-20T14:38:13.922-05:00It makes me sad to listen to the President. He sa...It makes me sad to listen to the President. He says nothing somewhat prettily. Cliches for the most part. Ideas that have made the rounds these fifty years now,hollowed out by overuse. I get the feeling that even he is painfully aware of the disappointing performance of his self identified race after all these years, the glaring decline in values, the worship of celebrity, the disdain for learning. For grammar. For self examination. And so we are treatd to another invitation to a conversation. Another opportunity to make plain to the race he claims that they are victims of oppression, hate. And these people are telling their children that this one-off event is a tracing of the character of their country, a thing they should fear and perhaps even expect from their oppressors. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20846886923655457482013-07-20T14:37:13.145-05:002013-07-20T14:37:13.145-05:00It makes me sad to listen to the President. He sa...It makes me sad to listen to the President. He says nothing somewhat prettily. Cliches for the most part. Ideas that have made the rounds these fifty years now,hollowed out by overuse. I get the feeling that even he is painfully aware of the disappointing performance of his self identified race after all these years, the glaring decline in values, the worship of celebrity, the disdain for learning. For grammar. For self examination. And so we are treatd to another invitation to a conversation. Another opportunity to make plain to the race he claims that they are victims of oppression, hate. And these people are telling their children that this one-off event is a tracing of the character of their country, a thing they should fear and perhaps even expect from their oppressors. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81908075805297133002013-07-20T14:32:25.697-05:002013-07-20T14:32:25.697-05:00Was anybody (really, anybody?) looking to Barack O...Was anybody (really, anybody?) looking to Barack Obama for wisdom to raise the tone of the discussion? <br /><br />Anybody?<br /><br />It is interesting, however, as others have pointed out, that Obama confessed to being a violent street thug in his youth (because, of course, it really is all about him).<br /><br />He's so darn presidential.tim maguirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717622436074043099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68991105964274947542013-07-20T13:50:59.481-05:002013-07-20T13:50:59.481-05:00I found it interesting how sensitive Barack Obama&...I found it interesting how sensitive Barack Obama's views were. But the old Civil Rights hustlers, such as Jessie Jackson, came off as old fools.<br /><br />Charles Barkly's quotes, posted by the Professor, were a complete summary of what most people took from the Zimmerman TRIAL.<br /><br />And those results required an uncensored trial on TV for three weeks followed by a just Jury verdict. Hurray for the results, and Good job, you lawyers.<br /><br />traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4006730698751392013-07-20T13:39:15.793-05:002013-07-20T13:39:15.793-05:00I would think most black people, and especially th...I would think most black people, and especially those living in high crime areas, would be greatly opposed to any suggestion that suspicious characters in their neighborhood should not be checked out as well as to any restriction on their rights to defend themselves and their property when under attack.Hagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653025261513705773noreply@blogger.com