tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7205899458680561575..comments2024-03-28T03:36:23.587-05:00Comments on Althouse: If you really believed political rhetoric caused Jared Loughner's killing spree, you wouldn't dare to say it.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger166125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73250701693428860752011-01-13T12:28:39.789-06:002011-01-13T12:28:39.789-06:00aren’t we signaling to the mentally unstable that ...<i>aren’t we signaling to the mentally unstable that the Republic must be saved from those who want to impose tyranny?</i><br /><br />That was the dog whistle Chrissy Tingle, Kos, Krugman and Co. were blowing all during the prior administration.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67169083523139506302011-01-13T01:47:22.369-06:002011-01-13T01:47:22.369-06:00The writers at Reason are thinking along the exact...The writers at <i>Reason</i> are thinking along the exact same lines you are, Professor:<br /><br /><a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/the-assassin-who-would-save-am" rel="nofollow">"In other words, using the logic set forth by people like Chris Matthews, by creating a fear that America has reached the historical nadir of political discourse, that talk radio figures are threatening the American way of life and democracy itself, aren’t we signaling to the mentally unstable that the Republic must be saved from those who want to impose tyranny? You see how this silly game works?"</a>kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274416342492953621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45180591615452760792011-01-12T20:52:48.993-06:002011-01-12T20:52:48.993-06:00Ann, you should not have said this. Now, one of t...Ann, you should not have said this. Now, one of them will do it and it will be your fault.ken in txhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345764031059905578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20517195792487382272011-01-12T20:49:05.645-06:002011-01-12T20:49:05.645-06:00I wish people would just face up to the facts. . ....<i>I wish people would just face up to the facts. . . There are no public policy implications. There are no action-item take-aways from this.</i><br /><br /><br />RC, well and thoughtfully said. Most people don't want to accept the idea that worthy gifted people can be killed by otherwise ineffective nobodies. It seems so unfair, so contrary to the notion of a moral universe. <br /><br />When an eminent person is killed we at least want his (or her) death to mean something. We want them to have been killed fighting for a noble cause. It's just not right or fair or rational that good people could die for trivial reasons. Because to accept that is to accept that we live in a meaningless universe, which unfortunately we do.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10438099877519107411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35305307487241243392011-01-12T19:20:21.324-06:002011-01-12T19:20:21.324-06:00I wish people would just face up to the facts: Thi...I wish people would just face up to the facts: This story just isn't much of a story.<br /><br />There are no public policy implications.<br /><br />There are no action-item take-aways from this.<br /><br />It's a horrible tragedy of course...for the family and friends of the slain and the injured.<br /><br />But for everyone else? While we feel compassion for them, and gather around them to offer condolences and assistance if it seems remotely plausible that we can help, the event is otherwise no different than had the same persons been killed in a landslide or a flood or by a particularly nasty winter storm.<br /><br />It's not entirely not news. It deserves an honorable mention. But after that? The details of this event can be relegated to Trivial Pursuit - the Twenty-Teens Edition.R.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03679435933685771007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19713577234586816062011-01-12T17:31:17.832-06:002011-01-12T17:31:17.832-06:00R.L. Hunter,
Implying someone go on a date with O...R.L. Hunter,<br /><br /><i>Implying someone go on a date with Oprah?<br />That's just plain mean Crack.</i><br /><br />LOL<br /><br />Alex,<br /><br /><i>Crack - you do not want to go there, my friend. Take back what you said about <a href="http://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2011/01/we-studied-art-of-living-like-pig-in.html" rel="nofollow">dear Oprah.</a></i><br /><br />Fine. Leave her ass to Steadman. <br /><br /><a href="http://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2009/01/yes-law-of-quantum-failure-strikes.html" rel="nofollow">Or is it Gayle, yet?</a>The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32216419701890746302011-01-12T17:28:41.510-06:002011-01-12T17:28:41.510-06:00It happened in West Germany when the East had an a...It happened in West Germany when the East had an agent (a policeman) do exactly this. <br /><br />Also; hay made out of Kent State (always left out of the story was the mob's behavior)... and that some people still think Conservative / Hateful Dallas killed Kennedy...<br /><br />But the Ayer's type stuff never makes it into movies or pop culture references... <br /><br />PS<br />Another possiblity. A leftist will attack the right just because of all the leftist talk about the right's talk... fire with fire and all that...SHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01995326486815143436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57487168373291270132011-01-12T16:51:51.701-06:002011-01-12T16:51:51.701-06:00I bet the first Democratic president would spit in...I bet the <a href="http://bornavol.blogspot.com/2011/01/longing-for-original-democrat.html" rel="nofollow">first Democratic president would spit in the eye of today's whiny, crybaby Democrats</a>.DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50951719551547299012011-01-12T16:26:45.939-06:002011-01-12T16:26:45.939-06:00"I can think of a few instances in the 20s an...<i>"I can think of a few instances in the 20s and 30s which indicate that a firey bit of oratory was able to move mobs of people into questionable actions.</i><br /><br />Well shoot, I can think of a lot of examples more recent than that. When I was in high school, our cheerleaders were forever exhorting our side to "push 'em back, push 'em back, waaay back!" On rare occasions it even worked, though I never remember any of our defenders pulling a gun and shooting the opposing quarterback.Paul Ciottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919369756030397155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48204875329981935042011-01-12T16:21:02.256-06:002011-01-12T16:21:02.256-06:00Paul Ciotti said...
For ideologues, any tragedy i...Paul Ciotti said... <br />For ideologues, any tragedy is only an opportunity to advance their side. <br />_______________________________<br /><br />The academic left organized "teach-ins" immediately after 9/11 to train their activist foot-soldiers how to incorporate the event into their existing Blame America Campaign.testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478829894294731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68269774595833401372011-01-12T16:15:18.883-06:002011-01-12T16:15:18.883-06:00For ideologues, any tragedy is only an opportunity...For ideologues, any tragedy is only an opportunity to advance their side. I was at Columbia when Kennedy was killed. As we walked around campus in a haze that day the one thing that really sticks in my mind is hearing one student tell another, "it's too bad Oswald wasn't a right winger."Paul Ciottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919369756030397155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51219122640895295382011-01-12T16:07:55.309-06:002011-01-12T16:07:55.309-06:00He goes on at length about, "broad-based poli...<i>He goes on at length about, "broad-based political movement which is providing potential intellectual cover for the use of violence." and I think he actually believes what he is saying.</i><br /><br />Any/all lefties incapable of pointing unequivocal, <b><i>contemporaneous</i></b> postings roundly condemning violent political rhetoric such as <a href="http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621" rel="nofollow">this</a> (for instance) need not be taken seriously on this, or any related, matter.kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274416342492953621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80566728218430303632011-01-12T16:01:23.995-06:002011-01-12T16:01:23.995-06:00Is calling someone socialist an incitement to viol...Is calling someone socialist an incitement to violence?<br /><br />Is trying to establish socialist policies an incitement to violence?Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12133279828547003387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88165480543097779242011-01-12T16:00:14.461-06:002011-01-12T16:00:14.461-06:00It is important to understand the neurobiology of ...It is important to understand the neurobiology of psychosis and violence. We are affected by what is written, said and observed. How it affects each one of us is unique to each person's genetics and neurobiological development within the social influences.<br />Was he affected by violent rhetoric? He could have been.Ron Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14947517047002401152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48697968836728917582011-01-12T15:51:45.101-06:002011-01-12T15:51:45.101-06:00I really think that mnster2008 has a point, but ma...I really think that mnster2008 has a point, but maybe not the one he thinks he has.<br /><br />He goes on at length about, "broad-based political movement which is providing potential intellectual cover for the use of violence." and I think he actually believes what he is saying.<br /><br />The problem is that all this simmering violence is a creation not of any actual movement, but rather exists only in the minds of the left. Who put it there? Look no further than the parade of liberal pundits eager to pin this murder spree on a tea party sympathizer. Yes, there is a lot of fear out there and it is caused by the left's fever dreams of their opposition.dbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457585811847604584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28142620987116499972011-01-12T15:28:58.809-06:002011-01-12T15:28:58.809-06:00I actually suspect that it was something like this...I actually suspect that it was something like this mindset that prompted the guy who stabbed the NYC cabbie towards the end of last year. He was a lefty, drunk out of his mind. "Hey, I'll stab this Muslim cabbie, and the right will get blamed 'cuz they hate Muslims! Brilliant!" I can easily see that kind of drunken logic going through his head.Weirddavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13211126157895481400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85196459441755642922011-01-12T14:53:14.571-06:002011-01-12T14:53:14.571-06:00it's not part of the liberal lexicon to even h...<i>it's not part of the liberal lexicon to even hint at a possible "2nd amendment remedy" -- or a violent remedy of any kind.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/nice-work-dupnik-tuscon-tea-party-leader-receives-death-threats-this-week/" rel="nofollow">Liar</a>, redux.kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274416342492953621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21737903989117876642011-01-12T14:48:04.169-06:002011-01-12T14:48:04.169-06:00mnster2008: Oh, I see. You aren't just disinge...mnster2008: Oh, I see. You aren't just disingenuous, you're oblivious.<br /><br />You are the one making gun threats, not I. That's because you can't get anything you want without guns and gun threats -- whereas I can get the fundamental things I want if you don't threaten me with guns.<br /><br />The fact that you, yourself, would not soil your lily-white hands with gun oil makes it worse, not better. You want people's money and resources so you can give them to The Downtrodden, and you can't get that without sending tax collectors to get them -- and if tax collectors don't carry guns, it's because the times they have done so have been so impressive that no one doubts their availability.<br /><br />The policeman's gun is not a fashion accessory, it's a direct threat. That's what "law <i>enforcement</i>" means. You may airily declare yourself above all that, but "making a law" means "sending people with guns to force people to do what you want." If you tell me that I must buy health insurance whether I want it or not, or that I can't have too much money or too much salt on my French fries -- or, in fact, a gun -- you are sticking a gun in my face, and the fact that you can excuse yourself by sending agents instead of coming in your own person makes you a pusillanimous liar, not a virtuous "pacifist".<br /><br />Some minimal amount of that is a necessary evil for keeping public order, but the necessity does not make it less evil, nor does self-righteous posturing about how <i>good</i> and <i>compassionate</i> you are make the gun in my face less threatening.<br /><br />Your objections to "Second Amendment solutions" are merely a version of the fundamental objection to Israel: <i>Oh, s*t, the b*rds might shoot back! Demons!</i><br /><br />Regards,<br />RicRic Lockehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937543097881679980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35358391816096816692011-01-12T14:40:58.229-06:002011-01-12T14:40:58.229-06:00Sorry, mnster2008, but that claim that death threa...Sorry, mnster2008, but that claim that death threats against Obama had increased 400% over Bush turned out to be a lie:<br /><br />"U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents — claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.<br /><br />"It's not [a] 400 percent [increase]," Sullivan said during a heated exchange with Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), who suggested the service needed additional agents to protect the first African-American president.<br /><br />"I'm not sure where that number comes from," he said, adding that the number of threats against Obama "are the same level as it has been [against] the last two presidents."<br /><br />Sullivan said he would get more specific in a closed-door session with members of the Homeland Security Committee."<br /><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5879268-503544.html<br /><br />I think that if there had been any increase at all -- let alone 400% -- the head of the Secret Service would be the last person to object to the suggestion that more agents are needed.mrs whatsithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798352621860024353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54425512502000393022011-01-12T14:28:03.164-06:002011-01-12T14:28:03.164-06:00Although Ann's hypothetical is interesting I t...Although Ann's hypothetical is interesting I think it is not a likely scenario. <br /><br />The likely scenario is that some leftist sociopath will be driven to action by all the "Palin is responsible" blood libel. Sarah Palin should beef up her security before someone on the left attacks her.jerryofvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02505743221755443719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63265577822328426232011-01-12T14:24:19.475-06:002011-01-12T14:24:19.475-06:00Crack - you do not want to go there, my friend. Ta...Crack - you do not want to go there, my friend. Take back what you said about dear Oprah.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-108074282438457392011-01-12T14:21:29.981-06:002011-01-12T14:21:29.981-06:00And that's why liberals are wrought up over th...<i>And that's why liberals are wrought up over the patina of justification provided by talk of second amendment remedies. It could be sewing seeds </i><br /><br />No. While you make respectable points, liberals are <i>pretending</i> to be wrought up in order to gain political advantage and power. This is quite obvious when you look at the fact that they have shown no concern over violent rhetoric from their side.DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57620287165634910622011-01-12T14:20:33.538-06:002011-01-12T14:20:33.538-06:00Oprah's promoted tons of this stuff - she'...<i>Oprah's promoted tons of this stuff - she's Obama's biggest supporter -<b> why not take her out?</b></i><br />Implying someone go on a date with Oprah?<br />That's just plain mean Crack.R.L. Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04600243823595295539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28868390396714220072011-01-12T14:10:00.771-06:002011-01-12T14:10:00.771-06:00To Ric Locke: No, I shouldn't be cowering si...To Ric Locke: No, I shouldn't be cowering since I'm not in a position of power/fame/influence/notoriety which would make me a target. But if I was, I would be scared. <br /><br />So a little thought experiment. Suppose YOU had received numerous death threats from people belonging /sympathetic to a group that speaks openly of second amendment remedies, watering liberty trees with the blood of tyrants, had YOUR office vandalized, etc., believed in flashing guns at political rallies, etc., would you be concerned? Giffords was concerned and I would be too. And she was right to be. And I'm concerned for others as well. <br /><br />(Not that you wouldn't be concerned of threats from people who weren't affiliated. etc.)<br /><br />Notice that this goes beyond just wishing death on twitter like someone referenced earlier (in regards to Palin). Heck, I see people wishing death to Justin Bieber all the time on various sites. Or other random idiotic rantings. The difference is the broad-based political movement which is providing potential intellectual cover for the use of violence. And advocated by some charismatic leaders within the movement as well. That is something of note (I think).<br /><br />Hence the concern with the 400% increase in death threats towards Obama and the 300% increase towards the Congress, etc. <br /><br />(to be continued)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6210947970655052482011-01-12T14:07:48.415-06:002011-01-12T14:07:48.415-06:00gutless,
Attaboy.gutless,<br /><br />Attaboy.The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.com