tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6675663623114939309..comments2024-03-29T03:51:13.883-05:00Comments on Althouse: "A racist song... caught on video was a fixture within a fraternity chapter at the University of Oklahoma, not an anomaly..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17363941048665317872015-03-29T03:41:08.753-05:002015-03-29T03:41:08.753-05:00I read that a little while ago.
Someone from the ...I read that a little while ago.<br /><br />Someone from the national chapter was quoted anonymously as saying it had gone on for some time and they were trying to find out when the cancer started.Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05105012664741556033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37092651869282345522015-03-28T20:23:29.424-05:002015-03-28T20:23:29.424-05:00I too, find this explanation incredibly convenient...I too, find this explanation incredibly convenient now. Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66953378241116804072015-03-28T20:23:28.970-05:002015-03-28T20:23:28.970-05:00I too, find this explanation incredibly convenient...I too, find this explanation incredibly convenient now. Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41363765478860182382015-03-28T00:14:31.726-05:002015-03-28T00:14:31.726-05:00@sane_voter: Aren't 18 month old black babies...@sane_voter: Aren't 18 month old black babies afraid of "white devils"? It's instinctual. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61510363182755453562015-03-28T00:05:37.882-05:002015-03-28T00:05:37.882-05:00This should get 10x the attention some song some c...This should get 10x the attention some song some college kids were singing.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/27/lawmakers-gasp-as-democrat-goes-after-gop-colleagues-18-month-old-son-during-racism-lecture/" rel="nofollow">Black Dem state rep calls 18 month old son of white GOP colleague racist</a>sane_voterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08122061750041663802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66074111487423306052015-03-27T23:31:56.154-05:002015-03-27T23:31:56.154-05:00Sure, it's protected by the First Amendment. B...Sure, it's protected by the First Amendment. But if I had a son in that fraternity, he could forget about my writing any tuition checks until he left it.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4210191948071910672015-03-27T22:13:03.958-05:002015-03-27T22:13:03.958-05:00Racist speech is protected and serves everyone bec...Racist speech is protected and serves everyone because it exposes what speakers think.<br /><br />But what degree of utter stupidity should be protected. Making that song a National Social Fraternity's claim to fame makes you wonder where these people and their families have been for the last 50 years. Are they Rip Van Winkles waking up after two and a half twenty year deep sleeps?<br /><br />SAE is a snobbish clique of assholes. That's a well known fact. They always have been. Too bad, so sad. <br /><br />But I never before realized how utterly ignorant and pathetically stupid smart ass white boys clinging to being racists could look in the era when educated people know that mixed DNA family lines are not a defect but make superior offspring.<br /><br /> traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31201857386993544712015-03-27T21:39:01.507-05:002015-03-27T21:39:01.507-05:00Thanks, Tom DeGisi, for the link to Prof. Hall'...Thanks, Tom DeGisi, for the link to Prof. Hall's remarks. Very powerful and very persuasive. Everyone out to read them.The Godfatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10575359417766667457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74649660630766830052015-03-27T21:26:15.697-05:002015-03-27T21:26:15.697-05:00Ambrose,
I agree. Teach NOT expel. This (black) p...Ambrose,<br /><br />I agree. Teach NOT expel. This (black) professor said it well.<br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mariadixonhall/2015/03/a-teachable-moment-how-ou-failed-transformation-101/<br /><br />Yours,<br />Tom Tom DeGisihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809757971111266101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36600976884867866092015-03-27T21:07:04.722-05:002015-03-27T21:07:04.722-05:00Ambrose
"Anything goes" is not what is ...Ambrose<br /><br />"Anything goes" is not what is being argued here.<br /><br />Where have I suggested that colleges not be allowed to teach? You understand the concept of straw men?<br /><br />BTW colleges have been doing their best to subordinate five thousand years of western tradition to the very idea of doing whatever feels good.<br /><br />Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91780147808238973502015-03-27T20:57:46.777-05:002015-03-27T20:57:46.777-05:00most of rap music is "racist and sexist"...most of rap music is "racist and sexist". when you be against that shit ms althouse. eff black privilege.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17060639162688328166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20811362994229214542015-03-27T20:32:33.423-05:002015-03-27T20:32:33.423-05:00@Michael. I don't agree but thank you for tho...@Michael. I don't agree but thank you for thoughts. College have an educational mission which is at odds with the view that anything goes. They must be allowed to teach.Ambrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12186326715874648232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61128348770714967752015-03-27T20:25:25.889-05:002015-03-27T20:25:25.889-05:00Of course the fraternity song is repellant. That&...Of course the fraternity song is repellant. That's the whole point. We need to be reminded that free speech protections are needed ONLY to protect repellant speech, that is, speech that people with power believe is repellant.<br /><br />In other times and other places, it was regarded as repellant to advocate that Blacks or women be allowed to vote, or that Gays be allowed to marry or hold a job, or, earlier, that Americans were entitled to the rights of Englishmen, or that slavery should be abolished.The Godfatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10575359417766667457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44753331452676268902015-03-27T20:20:00.206-05:002015-03-27T20:20:00.206-05:00I thought the song sounded too close to something ...I thought the song sounded too close to something Marvin Gaye wrote.<br /><br /><br />I am Laslo.Laslo Spatulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723170304227216635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8870524931309701472015-03-27T20:05:24.269-05:002015-03-27T20:05:24.269-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86728870966332346952015-03-27T20:05:21.543-05:002015-03-27T20:05:21.543-05:00Ambrose
A state institution should especially hon...Ambrose<br /><br />A state institution should especially honor the idea of free speech and should be insistent that its very existence is predicated upon honoring that idea not only when, but especially when, speech is launched that offends the very principles the university stands for.<br /><br />Your examples are wonderful examples of what a student should have learned from his parents, church, lower and middle schools. The fact that you bring them up underscores the way in which colleges have come to view students as infants who have to be taught fundamental points of ethics. The university fraternity in question sang an objectionable song that they should have been ashamed to sing, that their parents would be (and apparently are) ashamed to have them sing. But they did not break any laws other than the law of not hurting feelings. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12178665419241683552015-03-27T19:54:55.391-05:002015-03-27T19:54:55.391-05:00This is deep red state republican public college O...This is deep red state republican public college Okie we are talking about, right?<br /><br />Leave them alone! Please, at least they are not lynching.<br /><br />Lynching is done in private too.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06593014816206957874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14669778339536987212015-03-27T19:24:58.525-05:002015-03-27T19:24:58.525-05:00Thank you @Michael for taking notice of my little ...Thank you @Michael for taking notice of my little post. What can a College tell a student? Can it tell them that cheating is wrong? that being respectful of fellow students is right? that the sun rises in the East? Do you have a first amendment right to require your school not to tell you that 2 + 2 is 4? I know you have a first amendment right not to be jailed for proclaiming that 2+2 is 5 - but can you really not see the difference with a state university?Ambrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12186326715874648232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41806554479243558252015-03-27T19:19:42.092-05:002015-03-27T19:19:42.092-05:00From the article: 'I do feel like that meeting...From the article: <i>'I do feel like that meeting was very emotional and from that, it will be tough to think that wouldn’t be genuine,' said Mr. Flix, a senior who is president of the university’s National Pan-Hellenic Council, the umbrella group for the nine historically African-American fraternities and sororities on campus. But, he added, 'the true test of character is the actions that follow the words.'</i><br /><br />I'm shocked that there are all black fraternities on campus. Isn't that racist? <br />____________________<br /><br />Months ago, when the truly reprehensible Crack Emcee roosted here, I recall having a discussion about reverse racism. His argument was that no action or opinion held by blacks towards whites could be construed as racist. It was all in the numbers you see. Minorities are allowed by definition to hold racist views and to act in racist ways. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45838015204512279842015-03-27T19:10:58.323-05:002015-03-27T19:10:58.323-05:00OK...And?
The white privilege conferences dwarf t...OK...And?<br /><br />The white privilege conferences dwarf that song for racism and are championed by acrademia.<br /><br />Ambrose, you really want government institutions to decide what is appropriate? Fuck that. Your desire to forfeit rights doesn't obligate me to follow suit.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79164848660352394472015-03-27T18:38:39.597-05:002015-03-27T18:38:39.597-05:00Ambrose
You might have trouble seeing it as a fre...Ambrose<br /><br />You might have trouble seeing it as a free speech issue but it is a free speech issue nonetheless.<br /><br />The university can "educate students that songs like this are not acceptable" but that does not remove the freedom from the students.<br /><br />The universities spend an inordinate amount of time telling students what is and what is not "acceptable" and we are seeing that a good bit of what is not "acceptable" is, in fact, acceptable to some.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45844953690197455002015-03-27T18:35:47.765-05:002015-03-27T18:35:47.765-05:00President Boren seems to be creating a threatening...President Boren seems to be creating a threatening and hostile environment. Will he act by resigning?PBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01974548209056650675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83022224668069443592015-03-27T18:32:53.774-05:002015-03-27T18:32:53.774-05:00Wilbur:
The members of the fraternity are adults....Wilbur:<br /><br />The members of the fraternity are adults. They are in college. They do not take older people to supervise their behavior on their trips.<br /><br /><br /><br />Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29611105201502609272015-03-27T18:32:17.036-05:002015-03-27T18:32:17.036-05:00I have trouble seeing this a free speech issue. C...I have trouble seeing this a free speech issue. Colleges have an educational mission that is not limited to the classroom They have a right/obligation to educate students that songs like this are not acceptable - even if there is a Constitutional right to be free of government sanction for singing them.Ambrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12186326715874648232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35988061142119564242015-03-27T18:14:27.352-05:002015-03-27T18:14:27.352-05:00"The videos that have surfaced show students ..."The videos that have surfaced show students on one bus singing a song that boasts that Sigma Alpha Epsilon will never have a black member, that uses a racist term for a black person, and that refers to lynching a black person."<br /><br />I've never heard the song, never having any particular inclination to hear it.<br /><br />I guess I can understand how a 18 year-old, wanting to fit in with and be accepted by his fraternity, would sing this and suppress any real thinking about it.<br /><br />But where the hell were the adults, letting this shit become acceptable?<br /><br />Don't any of these people have any black friends, or at least know some black people for whom they have respect? How would they like to sing this to their faces? For Chrissake.<br /><br />I recognize and disapprove the trampling of First Amendment rights. But it's hard for me to summon up much sympathy for these tuxedoed frat boys.Wilburhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17648146528637449534noreply@blogger.com