tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6669045301501516105..comments2024-03-28T03:53:32.251-05:00Comments on Althouse: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker to win the 5 June 2012 recall election: 93.8%.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44409040406999746062012-05-23T05:23:55.493-05:002012-05-23T05:23:55.493-05:00Come on Progressives, why not daily elections? Thi...Come on Progressives, why not daily elections? Think of how accountable people will be.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79890779865203571822012-05-22T20:28:28.850-05:002012-05-22T20:28:28.850-05:00what a baby you all alre [sic]
That's right, ...<i>what a baby you all alre [sic]</i><br /><br />That's right, we are all a baby, one giant baby!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75106961573509712862012-05-22T20:16:43.673-05:002012-05-22T20:16:43.673-05:00"the Governor could say that he was actually ..."the Governor could say that he was actually the Grand Wizard of the KKK*<br /><br />Yep..Walker reigned in bennies and his detractors called him Hitler and demanded a redo...another chance to vote in their own management.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85504614028707524452012-05-22T16:10:50.785-05:002012-05-22T16:10:50.785-05:00whaaa, i get mad when people exercise their consti...<i>whaaa, i get mad when people exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights! what a baby you all alre.</i><br /><br />Legitimate debates about whether or not the constitution should include a recall mechanism = being a baby.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28242606887185581852012-05-22T16:08:53.304-05:002012-05-22T16:08:53.304-05:00whaaa, i get mad when people exercise their consti...whaaa, i get mad when people exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights! what a baby you all alre.rpmcvphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183416504121826012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12221269068944827162012-05-22T15:10:42.623-05:002012-05-22T15:10:42.623-05:00Purple,
Endless elections don't hold politici...Purple,<br /><br />Endless elections don't hold politicians accountable. We have limited executive authority in order to prevent a wacko form abusing the office. So, if a KKK guy snuck in, he can't start enacting their ideas, he'd need to get the legislature to go along. Checks/balances and all of that. You may see this recall differently, but I see it as a loud mob trying to get its way after losing a legitimate election. In this case, yes, they are following the law, but the law should be changed.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404319354712386201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87531928202174728222012-05-22T14:10:35.483-05:002012-05-22T14:10:35.483-05:00The thread already cracked and fissured. Notice th...The thread already cracked and fissured. Notice the middle redistributed further and further to the edges.Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86269595644668422392012-05-22T14:09:52.154-05:002012-05-22T14:09:52.154-05:00Has a feeling Romney is going to win this fall by ...<b>Has a feeling Romney is going to win this fall by a considerable margin. I just dont see voters pulling the lever for 4 more years of no jobs and no growth.</b><br /><br />I'm thinking so also. You wouldn't see such ridiculous partisan breakdowns of polls if it was close.<br /><br /><b>This is why I think signatures should not be placed out on the internet for all to see.</b><br /><br />They absolutely should be put on line. The intimidation occurs at the time the petition is asked to be signed.<br /><br /><b>I wasn't intimidated. And I'm not a teacher or a union member. I'm a white middle-class independent voter who thinks Walker is doing terrible job and the state would be better off without him as Governor for a number of reasons.</b><br /><br />Do you often confuse "independent" with "moronic"?<br /><br /><b>Instead of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not elect Governors to office for the rest of their life? After all, that would save a lot of money on elections...no?</b><br /><br />Why wait 4 years. DAILY elections, babee!<br /><br /><b>I don't see the big onus that exists by requiring someone to go somewhere to look it up.</b><br /><br />Care to guess how many of the signers oppose, vigorously, photo ID requirements for voting?damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13945684897602666612012-05-22T13:54:29.996-05:002012-05-22T13:54:29.996-05:00Elections have consequences. If you do not like wh...Elections have consequences. If you do not like who is elected, with Walker or Obama, then win next time. Do not whine and act surprised when they do what they said they were going to do when they got elected the first time. And do not waste money trying to redo something you did not want to happen in the first place. That is what a general election is for.Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12038143934150553741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48207243030992086992012-05-22T13:21:13.398-05:002012-05-22T13:21:13.398-05:00How much hyperbole do you think one thread can sup...How much hyperbole do you think one thread can support, penquin?Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84928931565064966602012-05-22T13:11:52.709-05:002012-05-22T13:11:52.709-05:00Then why did you mention them in support of your p...<i>Then why did you mention them in support of your point?</i><br /><br />I didn't mention 'em, you did.<br /><br /><i>Are you suggesting that WI doesn't have the means to impeach a sitting governor?</i><br /><br />Are you suggesting that the citizens are the ones who initiate and conduct the impeachment process? My understanding of the State Constitution leads me to beleive that other elected officials are the ones who do such a thing. <br /><br />I also am of the understanding that "impeachment" is for illegal acts, and it ain't illegal to belong to the KKK/Black Panthers.<br /><br />Are you saying I am totally wrong about that all of that?<br /><br />I admit that I could be wrong about how the impeachment process works in our state. If so, can you please explain how citizens in WI can directly impeach a sitting Gov who hasn't broken any laws? Thanks.purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40719300705817211492012-05-22T12:55:41.967-05:002012-05-22T12:55:41.967-05:00Why should the default be, on signing a recall pet...<i>Why should the default be, on signing a recall petition, that everyone will know that you've signed it? I don't see the big onus that exists by requiring someone to go somewhere to look it up.</i><br /><br />Ah, maybe it's because you're attempting to overturn the results of a valid election while simultaneously blowing millions of taxpayer $ in the process. <br /><br />In situation like this, the onus should be on those trying to overturn the previous election results. If you're afraid to publicly voice your opinion on a recall petition, don't sign it.Bushman of the Kohlrabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195084346440543676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60013433026526590242012-05-22T12:53:46.064-05:002012-05-22T12:53:46.064-05:00I have mixed feelings about term limits.
Then wh...<i>I have mixed feelings about term limits. </i><br /><br />Then why did you mention them in support of your point?<br /><br /><i>Seriously, if our hostess had her way then the day after winning an election the Governor could say that he was actually the Grand Wizard of the KKK* and he would be working to enact that organization's philosophy into State Law</i><br /><br />Are you suggesting that WI doesn't have the means to impeach a sitting governor? Do you know enough about WI's state Constitution to speak intelligently on this subject?Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32414067380548197762012-05-22T12:47:02.330-05:002012-05-22T12:47:02.330-05:00Are you calling for term limits for elected offici...<i>Are you calling for term limits for elected officials, PP?</i><br /><br />I have mixed feelings about term limits. But I don't have mixed feelings about people who are wanting our elected officials to be less accountable to the people. Seems like those folks are wanting a return to the days of Kings and Nobles where the rulers (at least for the term of their office) are totally unaccountable to the people. As long as no actual laws are broken (or, at least if your own political party controls the legislative branch) then anything-at-all can take place without any fear of consequences from the citizens.<br /><br /><br />Seriously, if our hostess had her way then the day after winning an election the Governor could say that he was actually the Grand Wizard of the KKK* and he would be working to enact that organization's philosophy into State Law, and there would be nothing at all** that the public could do about it until four years later. <br /><br />Tenure for professors might be a good idea, but tenure..even for a limited time...for elected officals isn't. They need to be held accountable at all times, rather than just every four years.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />*If you personally support the KKK, then please substitute "Black Panther" for the organization.<br /><br />**nothing legally, that is. Under Ann's plan there would only be one way for the citizens to remove an elected official prior to the end of a term.purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32759183179089800802012-05-22T12:30:43.570-05:002012-05-22T12:30:43.570-05:00If it's important to someone, they will do it....If it's important to someone, they will do it.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29332952682115645172012-05-22T12:25:55.674-05:002012-05-22T12:25:55.674-05:00"I don't see the big onus that exists by ...<i>"I don't see the big onus that exists by requiring someone to go somewhere to look it up."</i><br /><br />Of course you do. That's the crux of your argument; make it onorous so people are disinclined to do it.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63954029447610508872012-05-22T12:21:34.840-05:002012-05-22T12:21:34.840-05:00ad of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not elect Gover...<i>ad of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not elect Governors to office for the rest of their life? After all, that would save a lot of money on elections...no?<br /></i><br /><br />Love the fact you think this is a response.<br /><br />Your intellect isn't your strong suit.Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83935720252248707212012-05-22T12:21:34.531-05:002012-05-22T12:21:34.531-05:00However, if one beleives that elections are too co...<i>However, if one beleives that elections are too costly to be held too often, then are they suggesting that we extend the terms of our elected officials? </i><br /><br />Are you calling for term limits for elected officials, PP? Annual elections would wreck havoc on state's business unless you likewise suggest that all incumbents running for re-election are held to very strict guidelines as to how many days/hours/etc they can spend politicking. <br /><br />Annuals are not rational, but I'm with you on the term limit thing.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49131563471536684342012-05-22T12:21:06.934-05:002012-05-22T12:21:06.934-05:00but you don't think people have a right to kno...<i> but you don't think people have a right to know who you are.<br /><br /></i>Certainly they have a right to know who I am. That's not what I'm arguing.<br /><br />Why should the default be, on signing a recall petition, that everyone will know that you've signed it? I don't see the big onus that exists by requiring someone to go somewhere to look it up.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4985552590502166282012-05-22T12:21:02.833-05:002012-05-22T12:21:02.833-05:00"Fair enough, I guess. It just seems like it ..."Fair enough, I guess. It just seems like it would be more effective to halt alleged abuse of the law by working to change the law rather than by scolding people."<br /><br />Actually, changing the procedure just as your opponents are about to use it would be subject to more criticism than waiting until after. We're talking about amending the state constitution. It's a pretty big deal and doing it for immediate partisan advantage would seem wrong.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88242439303508621012012-05-22T12:20:29.470-05:002012-05-22T12:20:29.470-05:00"Instead of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not ...<i>"Instead of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not elect Governors to office for the rest of their life? After all, that would save a lot of money on elections...no?"</i><br /><br />That's just brillant. In fact, instead of every year, how about every month? every day? every hour?Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46399054582810033402012-05-22T12:16:48.081-05:002012-05-22T12:16:48.081-05:00I still don't understand how having our electe...I still don't understand how having our elected officials being less accountable to the public is a good thing. <br /><br />A common expression during the time our country was being formed was "that where annual elections end, tyranny begins"<br /><br />Thomas Jefferson stated "a government by representatives elected by the people at short periods was our object" <br /><br />However, if one beleives that elections are too costly to be held too often, then are they suggesting that we extend the terms of our elected officials? <br /><br />Instead of 4 years, why not 10? 15? Why not elect Governors to office for the rest of their life? After all, that would save a lot of money on elections...no?purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17981293720556131682012-05-22T12:00:51.870-05:002012-05-22T12:00:51.870-05:00The Hill reports that the Department of Health and...<i>The Hill reports that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has signed a $20 million deal with a public relations firm to produce a multimedia ad campaign promoting Obamacare this election season\</i><br /><br />Sorry selling a bad idea costs money. Maybe Concerned Independent Voters could ask Unions for Unions to pay for the $20 million ad campaign for the awesome health care bill they are exempted from.Tom Spauldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659958976432044478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45663389478527007602012-05-22T11:49:49.316-05:002012-05-22T11:49:49.316-05:00Barry: "Sorry it costs money, but maybe the G...Barry: "Sorry it costs money, but maybe the Governor could ask Americans for Prosperity to help the state out and cover those costs?"<br /><br />Wow. That comment alone tells me your self-description as an "independent voter" is a bit over-the-top. <br /><br />If we're going to allow things like recall elections, maybe it would be good to put in a "loser pays" system. It would be far more fair to have the fleabaggers pay that 18 million (assuming Intrade is correct and they do in fact lose this) than to suggest Walker should pay it.Mark Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579795635406374798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23116490752999268432012-05-22T11:43:12.905-05:002012-05-22T11:43:12.905-05:00I just want to point out that your laser focus on ...<i>I just want to point out that your laser focus on the individuals rather than the process seems petty.</i><br /><br />I just want to point out that the laser focus on recalling Scott Walker in a special election rather than waiting for an actual election seems petty.Tom Spauldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659958976432044478noreply@blogger.com