tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6524088073389616556..comments2024-03-28T14:25:25.193-05:00Comments on Althouse: "China’s leading 'rage comics' brand, Baozou Manhua, has been silenced on multiple online platforms after one of its videos was accused of slandering revolutionary heroes and martyrs."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50601017263023088712018-05-18T14:41:24.852-05:002018-05-18T14:41:24.852-05:00In the old days you would simply disappear -- or w...In the old days you would simply disappear -- or worse, one of your family members.Earnest Prolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784404737843553158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9899232204519384502018-05-18T11:52:05.104-05:002018-05-18T11:52:05.104-05:00In a Police State, the Police are the terrorists. ...In a Police State, the Police are the terrorists. And the job of police terrorists is to use fear to crush rebellion.But punishing wrong doers is expected and causes no fear among the good folks. So the police MUST punish good folks for any off the wall obviously innocent act mis-labled rebellious thought.<br /><br />That was Joe Stalin's brillant method of control. He purged the good folks to a Gulag on made up chatges. Then everybody knows to fear you.<br /><br />Compare and contrast with the FBI and DOJ methods. traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75022753866421056932018-05-18T11:51:29.401-05:002018-05-18T11:51:29.401-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4898905879728443342018-05-18T11:48:45.924-05:002018-05-18T11:48:45.924-05:00Well, there's good news from even in the heart...Well, there's good news from even in the heart of Silicon Valley.<br />I recently attended a panel discussion at Adobe, put on by AEN (a support network for Asians working in high tech). The "bamboo ceiling" was the topic.<br />One woman on the panel (chinese, ex engineer, ex wall street) responded to some questions about multiculturalism by saying that it was the newcomer employees job to learn to fit in, and recommending extensive reading in english, fiction and nonfiction, to improve communication skills.<br />I thought she was going to get heavy pushback, but just the opposite - in the after-session she was surrounded by young peop!e wanting to hear more.Fred Drinkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01619653106362906811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17256696469639937412018-05-18T11:42:20.679-05:002018-05-18T11:42:20.679-05:00Re: buwaya:
Maybe its because I live in San Franci...Re: buwaya:<br /><i>Maybe its because I live in San Francisco and deal mainly with the local professional-managerial class, but I do find a tremendous caution and unnatural constraint even in in-person, casual speech.</i><br /><br />I know what you are talking about -- I think it's a professional-managerial class thing, not necessarily a San Francisco thing, although maybe the unwritten rules are stricter there (SF is certainly more of an intellectual monoculture even than DC). <i>Particularly</i> if you are a manager, you have to watch what you say in private as well, because someone could point your private conversations and use them to attack your organisation. It's all very well, I suppose, since from my early youth in America, my parents taught me that I must <i>never</i> be frank or truthful about what I think in front of outsiders, so I can't say I wasn't warned. On the other hand, I have never thought myself particularly good at concealing my opinions.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38349316745218124632018-05-18T11:33:26.735-05:002018-05-18T11:33:26.735-05:00If you have a corrupt government,
What other kin...<i>If you have a corrupt government, </i><br /><br />What other kind is there??madAsHellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01149940549262340795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65276155037193200862018-05-18T11:27:56.428-05:002018-05-18T11:27:56.428-05:00Re: SDaly:
In the US, the government doesn't ...Re: SDaly:<br /><br /><i>In the US, the government doesn't have to punish speech. There are millions of people, multiple national media outlets, and big tech companies eager to destroy your life if you step out of line and offend groupthink.</i><br /><br />My impression (based almost entirely on the news) is that Chinese internet mobs are just as vicious as American internet mobs. And I'm sure Weibo and Tencent and the other big tech companies are happy to help suppress "outrageous" speech with or without government prodding.<br /><br />That said, I do feel considerably free-er back in Japan (where I am right now) than in the US, although a large part of this is just that things are orderly. Obviously, there's lots of things I could say that would be rude, so I don't (I get more license than other people since I'm obviously a foreigner, but not <i>that</i> much license). But I don't have to smile and nod my head when people go on about micro-aggressions, to take one example, because <i>no one is going on about micro-aggressions</i>. There's lots of dumb rhetoric people have to mouth as members of large institutions -- it's just <i>different</i> dumb rhetoric from the US, so there's a feeling of liberation when I'm over here. If I were a Japanese salaryman, I'd probably find a sojourn in the US equally liberating.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52462671133783278562018-05-18T11:19:55.716-05:002018-05-18T11:19:55.716-05:00buwaya said...
"Maybe its because I live in S... buwaya said...<br />"Maybe its because I live in San Francisco and deal mainly with the local professional-managerial class, but I do find a tremendous caution and unnatural constraint even in in-person, casual speech."<br /><br />It started with the CRA, which used a pretended concern for the welfare of what were then called Negroes to nationalize every single bit of property used in commerce. It used to be your business. Now it's the Government's business, and you will run it to suit them or they will give it to someone else who will. Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74507300514631263882018-05-18T10:44:34.638-05:002018-05-18T10:44:34.638-05:00KFC is big in China. I recall one right at base o...KFC is big in China. I recall one right at base of the Great Wall.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82879977606655298332018-05-18T10:32:29.890-05:002018-05-18T10:32:29.890-05:00Yeah, I live out in deplorable country where peopl...Yeah, I live out in deplorable country where people seem genuinely happy day-to-day. I don't doubt San Fran is a bit different.<br /><br /> Nonapodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784387367088689624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13729717888323292322018-05-18T10:28:09.686-05:002018-05-18T10:28:09.686-05:00"Police Raid Home Of Man Who Posted Pictures ...<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/big-brother-police-raid-home-man-who-posted-pictures-his-mushroom-dinner-facebook" rel="nofollow">"Police Raid Home Of Man Who Posted Pictures Of His Mushroom Dinner On Facebook"</a>Caldwell P. Titcomb IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13294961582401608207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77186166828291753602018-05-18T10:23:37.097-05:002018-05-18T10:23:37.097-05:00I need to get out of this place more often. Out in...I need to get out of this place more often. Out in Asia last year I breathed the air of liberty. And I mean Hong Kong, Singapore, Manila. Thats an odd thing to say I know. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28957572525544816122018-05-18T10:21:21.222-05:002018-05-18T10:21:21.222-05:00Maybe its because I live in San Francisco and deal...Maybe its because I live in San Francisco and deal mainly with the local professional-managerial class, but I do find a tremendous caution and unnatural constraint even in in-person, casual speech. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66221793403223269192018-05-18T10:17:29.913-05:002018-05-18T10:17:29.913-05:00American culture has become intensely constrained,...<i>American culture has become intensely constrained, crabbed, and, arguably, inhuman.</i><br /><br />Maybe on the surface it seems that way. Certainly, in the absense of actual laws restricting free speech, a subset of Americans have elected to self police unwanted speech with twitter mobs, boycotts, shaming, and general cry-bullying. I wouldn't say they've been entirely successful in these efforts since there's been no small amount of pushback. I mean, that's how you get Trump after all. <br /><br />But I'd agrue that even with all this apparent strife, it's still really only surface level. A majority of Americans are pretty optimistic. For most Americans, quality of life is very high and getting better. And certainly in my limited anecdotal experience, regular people treat each other pretty well offline at least. <br /><br />But all this might not be immediately apparent if all you do is pay attention to social media and the news.Nonapodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784387367088689624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23696489093627356852018-05-18T10:12:26.179-05:002018-05-18T10:12:26.179-05:00“Climb out! Give you freedom!” to “Climb out! Pain...<i>“Climb out! Give you freedom!” to “Climb out! Painless induced abortion!” to mock rampant advertising for abortions</i><br /><br />Freedom of speech. Even PP et al does not advertise their abortion services inside of America, or perhaps it varies by district, and the parades are few and far between. I guess the Chinese are more progressive.<br /><br /><i>Political speech is another matter.</i><br /><br />The first rule of a totalitarian society, is that you don't speak of the totalitarian society. Same thing for economics. Don't interfere with the preferences of the minority.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6468119805615940352018-05-18T10:07:27.730-05:002018-05-18T10:07:27.730-05:00Good question about the inherent nature of culture...Good question about the inherent nature of cultures determining outcomes, over the long term. <br /><br />I think there is a great deal in the idea that people get the governments they deserve. And the economic results likewise. <br /><br />As for America, I hope the current cultural state is a passing "Red Guard" moment, but I doubt it will be resolved peacefully. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44402160524545426702018-05-18T10:03:26.943-05:002018-05-18T10:03:26.943-05:00I take human rights seriously. You know, everybod...I take human rights seriously. You know, everybody's equal, color, creed or circumstance. We're all the same on this planet. Except the Chinese.<br /><br />- What?<br /> <br />No, they are. They're the odd ones out if you had to pick one. No, I'm not having a go. I'm just saying, you know, not their faces. I mean... No, no. But they call each other - things like Kwok... <br /><br />- Stop it. You're gonna...<br /><br />...and that's their choice, and they don't have to call a kid Kwok. And they... No. Some people are called Pong...<br /> <br />Stop, please, stop. <br /><br />... and there's about a million Wangs. You can have... You have one kid, you can use all those names on one little... You could call a kid Kwok Pong Wang.<br /><br />Ghost Town (2008)<br />rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76460325046885721392018-05-18T10:02:02.082-05:002018-05-18T10:02:02.082-05:00The Chinese certainly have fewer cultural constrai...The Chinese certainly have fewer cultural constraints than Americans these days. <br />But so do almost all other peoples anywhere, this is not unique to China. <br />The liberty of that sort of speech is a human universal. <br /><br />Americans are less free than almost anyone else (the rest of the Anglosphere is caught up too) in this way, because of a very recent fad. The American totalitarianism is a cultural phenomenon. American culture has become intensely constrained, crabbed, and, arguably, inhuman. <br /><br />Political speech is another matter.buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63478247352382245832018-05-18T09:55:05.885-05:002018-05-18T09:55:05.885-05:00If government itself is really just some kind of e...If government itself is really just some kind of emergent manifestation of the will of the people, what does that say about the typical person in a given country? If you have a corrupt government, does that mean that the average citizen under such a government is equally corrupt in character? Nonapodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784387367088689624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70900727617968730832018-05-18T09:49:06.424-05:002018-05-18T09:49:06.424-05:00Politburo had its 8 point regulation to curb so it...Politburo had its 8 point regulation to curb so it’s either a direct reference on the ‘man of the people’ in the regulations or 8 point uas been adopted as a word play in reference to same, a la bona fide or legit in American english.rehajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554135440560051175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85895789871902731762018-05-18T09:46:57.379-05:002018-05-18T09:46:57.379-05:00Blogger buwaya said...
China has never had "f...<b>Blogger buwaya said...<br />China has never had "free speech" as a cultural value</b><br /><br />I was thinking more of us, Buwaya. But that said, I have worked with Chinese executives who made the stunning case for relatively more personal freedom of speech for Chinese than Americans. Before coming to the USA, they had been given a long list of topics that were not polite to discuss with Americans - religion, sex, how much money you make, etc. In China, by contrast, they felt you could talk about anything except the bosses. Oh, and you can still ask out the girls at work in China.Oso Negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07996629147239192401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87744898988213420682018-05-18T09:44:45.824-05:002018-05-18T09:44:45.824-05:00Any Chinese government is going to be corrupt. The...Any Chinese government is going to be corrupt. The "Red Scum", descendants of Deng Xiaopings ideological compromise of capitalist totalitarianism, have done quite well for China in spite of that, in the Chinese context.<br /><br />Could some other system or clique have done better? <br />Maybe.<br />But then it would also have to have been a system that could have taken and held power. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73582346730352009782018-05-18T09:43:45.522-05:002018-05-18T09:43:45.522-05:00He who fling mud lose ground.He who fling mud lose ground.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32921315300931554532018-05-18T09:43:18.787-05:002018-05-18T09:43:18.787-05:00Rage to riches.Rage to riches.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39640283249403215162018-05-18T09:40:58.665-05:002018-05-18T09:40:58.665-05:00The American ideal of Freedom of Speech is certain...The American ideal of Freedom of Speech is certainly seems to be an anomalous outlier in human society. One might conclude that most human beings either don't want or don't care about freedom of speech. In the case of the Chinese, they seem to generally be fairly apathetic to their government's various strictures on speech. Or at least that's the impression I have. Nonapodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784387367088689624noreply@blogger.com