tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6501707260261578967..comments2024-03-28T16:27:10.914-05:00Comments on Althouse: Election law blogger Rick Hasen says only Republicans cry fraud... and then must take it back.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58910072551497706162011-04-09T20:48:03.244-05:002011-04-09T20:48:03.244-05:00"Mike the fundamental premise of your observa..."Mike the fundamental premise of your observation is fatally flawed.The politics of the judge should be irrelevant to the judges decision." Cubanbob, we all agree with that. I'm asking, did it apply in Bush v. Gore, and if not, why not?MikeRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00127456522803816485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48951314016704474112011-04-09T06:13:21.817-05:002011-04-09T06:13:21.817-05:00Okay, I'm late to the party on this one and ha...Okay, I'm late to the party on this one and haven't read the comments yet, but I'd just like to say that there is no Republican analog for an organization like ACORN, whose primary reason for existence seemed to be to help Democrats fraudulently win elections.<br /><br />I'd also like to note, as a Floridian, that everyone who votes here is required to show photo ID. Laugh all you want about the 2000 election, but can anyone waltz into a precinct in your state during an election and vote without having to prove who they are and that they are voting legitimately, i.e., only once?Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16736461252925227611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21526242969857244992011-04-09T02:49:42.173-05:002011-04-09T02:49:42.173-05:00@dick, of course you have the right to use the n-w...@dick, of course you have the right to use the n-word. I believe people should express their true selves, so please, by all means do so often. Show the world your real feelings!Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25051438920847549262011-04-09T02:29:56.681-05:002011-04-09T02:29:56.681-05:00If Placeholder is right that "they said it fi...If Placeholder is right that "they said it first so it is all right to call them that" then we all have the right to use the "n....." word as well since they call themselves that so we all have the right to use it. Sound good to you, Placeholder? The logic is the same.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54107975855875816642011-04-09T01:59:51.326-05:002011-04-09T01:59:51.326-05:00Placeholder:
A question: placeholder for ____ ?Placeholder:<br /> <br />A question: placeholder for ____ ?reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60525829513129990542011-04-09T01:26:46.929-05:002011-04-09T01:26:46.929-05:00It's revealing in a lot of ways. The moral sco...It's revealing in a lot of ways. <i>The moral scolds who like to think and to tell us that they, unlike the rest of us, are not *haters*, think that sexual slurs and insults are the moral high ground.<br /><br />And we're supposed to trust them with government?</i><br /><br />If I were a certain victorious wingnut judge, I might tell you what a total bitch you are. But I'm not a certain victorious wingnut judge, so I think I'll just call you a laughable, typical wingnut hypocrite who says whatever comes to her mind, such as it is, if she thinks it's a zinger at the time, regardless of how obviously it might contradict what she claims to "believe."Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30228852654400613462011-04-09T01:20:08.072-05:002011-04-09T01:20:08.072-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58861346282985269142011-04-08T23:12:19.660-05:002011-04-08T23:12:19.660-05:00Joe, Embracing a smear works really well and has a...Joe, Embracing a smear works really well and has a long History. I think that if it was going to work in this case people would have naturally tried it.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55308908016143554352011-04-08T23:07:40.562-05:002011-04-08T23:07:40.562-05:00Re: Teabagger.
Not a Tea Party Member, but membe...Re: Teabagger. <br /><br />Not a Tea Party Member, but members should embrace the word. That will dull the meaning. Liberals don't understand that.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04450897654318345683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67550990241198324502011-04-08T21:47:59.186-05:002011-04-08T21:47:59.186-05:00It might be that there really is fraud, and it'...<i>It might be that there really is fraud, and it's predominantly on the Democrat side</i> <b>...</b><br /><br />Google says that Madison is less than 150 miles from Chicago via I-90, and yet you write that there <i>might</i> be <i>some</i> fraud on the Democrat's side? May I take it, Madam Professor, that you slept through your history classes when they talked about the Daley machine?Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91801655096614469342011-04-08T21:11:52.312-05:002011-04-08T21:11:52.312-05:00"I've always believed that people are ent..."I've always believed that people are entitled to their own name. Call yourself a Tea Bagger, and a tea Bagger you shall be. Ain't my fault they didn't know what it meant, slangwise."<br /><br />I am henceforth referring to myself as "Smartest Person in the World." I realize that "Smartest and Sexiest" wouldn't pass the laugh test (given my picture), so I resisted the temptation. I also thought about using an unpronouncable symbol, just to be cutting edge, but that idea has been tried (and found wanting). Although if I had, I could then eventually have had everyone refer to me simply as "The Smartest."Crimsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618292072861640747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9114219926385478022011-04-08T20:51:45.248-05:002011-04-08T20:51:45.248-05:00Hopefully Placeholder is a placeholder for a more ...Hopefully Placeholder is a placeholder for a more intelligent, more thoughtful and less senselessly nasty liberal commenter to come.Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6019423200462200502011-04-08T20:44:29.213-05:002011-04-08T20:44:29.213-05:00I'm a Republican election judge in Chicago. Ou...I'm a Republican election judge in Chicago. Our procedures are better than Wisconsin's.<br /><br />For instance, we never run out of ballots. That's because each precinct is supplied with more ballots than there are registered voters. (This even though one can also vote an electronic ballot.)<br /><br />A voter must present ID and proof of residence when registering. A voter may register by mail, but at the first election must present ID to the election judges.<br /><br />We don't have same-day registration, like Wisconsin. We don't have same-day registration and voting with those votes commingled with others so that even if the registration is shown to be fraudulent, the vote still counts.<br /><br />No electioneering is allowed in polling places. At the mayoral and aldermanic elections earlier this year, investigators from the Board of Elections and the County State's Attorney came by to make sure no one had left palm cards or flyers in the voting booths.<br /><br />How strict are they? The alderman had sent a box of donuts to each precinct for the judges. The State's Attorney guy made sure that the box (with "Compliments of Alderman Snerd" on it) wasn't out where a voter might see it.<br /><br />There are rumors of manipulation with regard to absentee voting at nursing homes, but I've never confirmed it.<br /><br />What else? Precinct vote totals are automatically transmitted to Election Central by a quasi cell phone call, so there's no chance of garbling - as in NY's 1st Congressional District last year.<br /><br />As to the Waukesha incident - something very similar happened in Alabama in 2002. Mobile County changed its initial report and took away several thousand votes for incumbent Governor Siegelman, which swung the election. However, if one looks at the vote totals for other offices and counties, it's clear that the initial report was in error.Rich Rostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262703348236110420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19840101081909084172011-04-08T20:40:50.965-05:002011-04-08T20:40:50.965-05:00'I've always believed that people are enti...'I've always believed that people are entitled to their own name. Call yourself a Tea Bagger, and a tea Bagger you shall be. Ain't my fault they didn't know what it meant, slangwise.'<br /><br />What a rotten soul you have.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01492998820078614811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13042121885927558492011-04-08T19:37:54.895-05:002011-04-08T19:37:54.895-05:00I"'ve always believed that people are ent...I"<i>'ve always believed that people are entitled to their own name.</i>"<br /><br />Liar. Or you'd let them be entitled to their own name, which hasn't changed. It's Tea Party. <br /><br />"<i>Call yourself a Tea Bagger, and a tea Bagger you shall be. Ain't my fault they didn't know what it meant, slangwise.</i>"<br /><br />No, it's your fault that you *did* know what it meant, and that you chose not to be honest about your own graceless decisions, portraying them as some sort of moral high ground.<br /><br />But maybe that is what moral high ground looks like from over there? Something akin to Beavis and Butthead?<br /><br />It's revealing in a lot of ways. The moral scolds who like to think and to tell us that they, unlike the rest of us, are not *haters*, think that sexual slurs and insults are the moral high ground.<br /><br />And we're supposed to trust them with government?Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6936634441728972992011-04-08T19:28:15.138-05:002011-04-08T19:28:15.138-05:00p.s.: Could've been been worse. They could hav...p.s.: Could've been been worse. They could have promised they were going to blow the liberal house down, by means of a series of blow jobs.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36014598309472201902011-04-08T19:25:34.188-05:002011-04-08T19:25:34.188-05:00In other words, Placeholder, "They said it fi...<i>In other words, Placeholder, "They said it first so it is okay for me to say it" is, shall we say, pretty weak tea.</i><br /><br />I've always believed that people are entitled to their own name. Call yourself a Tea Bagger, and a tea Bagger you shall be. Ain't my fault they didn't know what it meant, slangwise.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63474578306008903582011-04-08T19:03:23.855-05:002011-04-08T19:03:23.855-05:00Give the devil his due. Placeholder has a valid po...Give the devil his due. Placeholder has a valid point. The votes in the county should be recounted at county expense. Not that there was any indication of fraud but any perception of fraud should be dispelled for the good of the system. <br /><br /><br />MikeR said...<br />Paul, cubanbob, I don't care about the Bush v. Gore case. I want to understand, What does it mean that the conservative and liberal justices split on such partisan lines, where the issues involved don't seem to cause it?<br />One possible answer: I have the history wrong (if that's true). Second answer: The conservatives villainously just did what they wanted, though the facts of the issues were obviously against them. Third answer: The liberals villainously just did what they wanted, though the facts of the issues were obviously against them. Fourth answer: The issues were subtle, and each justice subconsciously made his determination with a tilt based on his politics.<br /><br />Anyhow, that's what I'm asking. "Don't take a bribe, for a bribe makes blind the perceptive..."<br /><br />4/8/11 1:43 PM<br /><br />Mike the fundamental premise of your observation is fatally flawed.The politics of the judge should be irrelevant to the judges decision. The judge should be expected to have a proper judicial temperament which means the judge should look at the facts and the law and let them take the matter to its proper conclusion and not start with an idealized outcome and reason backwards. There plenty of liberal judges who perfectly practice this in spite of the outcome not being congruent with their personal beliefs just as there are conservative judges who also act this way. Its the ones that do not, on either side that are delegitimizing our legal system. The law should be predictable.<br />A given set of facts should have a predictable outcome under a specific law. Otherwise it becomes a crapshoot and invites disrespect. Laws may be bad policy but constitutional and the converse as well. However judges should never be legislating and the fact that this is becoming more common place should be worrisome to all thinking people no matter where they lie on the political spectrum. Principles should not be situational.cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81686435326373609762011-04-08T18:32:08.219-05:002011-04-08T18:32:08.219-05:00Andereson Cooper used teabagger term first and he ...Andereson Cooper used teabagger term first and he regretted it was man enough to apologize. Is Placeholder really that stupid or is he a moby?PaulVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487620952112732071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58438422498321518962011-04-08T18:08:03.159-05:002011-04-08T18:08:03.159-05:00"I have a friend, more or less, who is big on..."<i>I have a friend, more or less, who is big on that "they used the term first" thing. Well, I have seen no evidence of that, but it is not relevant in any case. If someone, Placeholder for instance, were to call themselves an idiot,...</i>"<br /><br />Innocent minds.<br /><br />I think some of the Tea Party did use "bagger" once or twice, as well as using tea *bags* in imagery. My teenagers play some online-shooter game where an insult is "teabagging" a dead player so I sort of cringed because I recognized the word... but how many people do?<br /><br />How many middle aged working persons had the first clue? <br /><br />It's not at all like Placeholder calling himself an idiot, it's more as if conservatives started snickering like naughty school boys every time progressives used a fist icon in Wisconsin.<br /><br />Funny how they don't do that.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69477133824580900332011-04-08T17:49:48.292-05:002011-04-08T17:49:48.292-05:00George;
@ Phil: Really? I respond in a thread titl...George;<br /><i>@ Phil: Really? I respond in a thread titled "Election law blogger Rick Hasen says only Republicans cry fraud... and then must take it back." and you ask this question? You can't fill in the blank on my typo? Really? Really?</i><br /><br />Sorry you lost me. What in my comment are you responding to?Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81543721670685530262011-04-08T16:40:23.724-05:002011-04-08T16:40:23.724-05:00I'm seeing stories of both candidates 'law...I'm seeing stories of both candidates 'lawyering up'. Plus there is a report that the recount could be $1 million and if it falls outside the threshold the requesting candidate pays it. I guess my question is what happens where they both accepted public financing and then supposedly cannot accept any contributions. How do they pay for attorneys and a possible recall?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125452281512488372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2585168026851503112011-04-08T16:13:56.682-05:002011-04-08T16:13:56.682-05:00I have a friend, more or less, who is big on that ...I have a friend, more or less, who is big on that "they used the term first" thing. Well, I have seen no evidence of that, but it is not relevant in any case. If someone, Placeholder for instance, were to call themselves an idiot, would it then be okay for everyone else to call Placeholder an idiot? Tempting, perhaps, but not okay.<br /><br />In other words, Placeholder, "They said it first so it is okay for me to say it" is, shall we say, pretty weak tea.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07569414109093037790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26569279888276348292011-04-08T16:12:31.706-05:002011-04-08T16:12:31.706-05:00placeholder and rv, same here.placeholder and rv, same here.kjbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02205930548533839170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40641497424428972732011-04-08T16:09:45.968-05:002011-04-08T16:09:45.968-05:00Scratch a hard core liberal and you find a misonyg...Scratch a hard core liberal and you find a misonygist, homophopic, classist and all around asshole--as our friend placeholder has so amply demonstrated.<br /><br />What a douchnozzle.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.com