tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6347435111323864838..comments2024-03-29T04:30:19.523-05:00Comments on Althouse: "For every acre of rain forest cut down each year, more than 50 acres of new forest are growing in the tropics" on once-cleared land.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2734477000841128012009-02-01T12:14:00.000-06:002009-02-01T12:14:00.000-06:00The funny part is that the vast diversity of speci...The funny part is that the vast diversity of species in the Amazon have evolved in less than 15,000 years as that jungle grew. Life adapts. And quickly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85501530301440687452009-01-31T19:10:00.000-06:002009-01-31T19:10:00.000-06:00Biodiversity is an important issue, but it is not ...<I>Biodiversity is an important issue, but it is not THE issue.</I><BR/><BR/>More accurately, it MIGHT be an important issue. We've no reason to think our well-being is in any way, shape, or form connected to the well-being of species dwelling in the rainforests of Brazil. Not even indirectly. We just don't know that for certain. The argument that we need to maintain biodiversity rests entirely on the precautionary principle.<BR/><BR/>Me, I'm skeptical. The biodiversity of places like Europe and Japan was absolutely devastated by human habitation over the last few thousand years. They chopped down 97% of the forests, exterminated countless species, and converted almost all the land to human use. There is very little truly "natural" land IN Europe these days. There doesn't seem to have been any significant negative consequence to this, aside from the aesthetic loss of not having that stuff around anymore.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7651155553291152602009-01-31T16:55:00.000-06:002009-01-31T16:55:00.000-06:00"Have we been scammed all these years?"Yes.<EM>"Have we been scammed all these years?"</EM><BR/><BR/>Yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92087654224797946652009-01-31T11:59:00.000-06:002009-01-31T11:59:00.000-06:00"Lack of biodiversity is exactly the issue with su..."Lack of biodiversity is exactly the issue with such "new" forests."<BR/><BR/>Biodiversity is an important issue, but it is not THE issue. Biodiversity can be achieved by throwing a lot of zoo animals into an area and screwing up everything!<BR/><BR/>Balance is important, sustainability is important, wise use is important, CO2 uptake is important too.<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65180110890748918862009-01-31T09:20:00.000-06:002009-01-31T09:20:00.000-06:00Thanks for the link, Kim. Somewere there is a publ...Thanks for the link, Kim. Somewere there is a published survey of scientists that shows most physicists, chemists, mathematicians, and electrical, petroleum and nuclear engineers firmly in the "choose life" camp, while many biologists are in the "green worship" camp.Richard Faginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00578733720191838363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86759825767085133402009-01-31T09:17:00.000-06:002009-01-31T09:17:00.000-06:00So if these new forests are a result of people aba...So if these new forests are a result of people abandoning farming to work in the city does this mean that environmentalists are going to support industrialization and urbanization?jayne_cobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05872094348471192444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66265519467936500152009-01-31T08:46:00.000-06:002009-01-31T08:46:00.000-06:00Your quote compares apples and oranges. The questi...Your quote compares apples and oranges. The question is whether a "rain forest" can be grown in 50 years. If it can, you've got equilibrium. If not, you've got either expanding forest or shrinking forest.Bill Harshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094598931693185805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45258302491601964932009-01-31T07:10:00.000-06:002009-01-31T07:10:00.000-06:00Why, you ask? So the environmentalists will have j...Why, you ask? So the environmentalists will have jobs, of course.Sissy Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04316411260777111360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14647549048362072152009-01-31T07:08:00.000-06:002009-01-31T07:08:00.000-06:00It gives a whole new meaning to "whippin' out the ...It gives a whole new meaning to "whippin' out the woodie," doesn't it?Bart Hall (Kansas, USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06060627788809034719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54015378095315595422009-01-30T22:31:00.000-06:002009-01-30T22:31:00.000-06:00I've got these two post-it notes hanging from my m...I've got these two post-it notes hanging from my monitor. One says "Purity of Ideals" and the other says "Insane Complexity". The link is they will both kill us.<BR/><BR/>However, Insane Complexity is much more 'natural' than is Purity of Ideals.<BR/><BR/>Ideals can only come from humans. Complexity is mostly a natural phenomenon.Donna B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16771075314473811594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9872727717966990912009-01-30T21:38:00.000-06:002009-01-30T21:38:00.000-06:00Rastajnek said:"So, fuck trees. "Patca:See old bot...Rastajnek said:<BR/><BR/>"So, fuck trees. "<BR/><BR/>Patca:<BR/><BR/>See old botox Nancy Pelosi needed those condoms aferall.I'm Full of Souphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241724007440718575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1874000727595929612009-01-30T21:33:00.000-06:002009-01-30T21:33:00.000-06:00Of course this is a scam, just like watching the p...Of course this is a scam, just like watching the puppet head cry-baby actors on TV pining and weeping for the poor endangered Polar Bear. Nothing more than scare tactics folks, move along.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90055900692680650572009-01-30T21:23:00.000-06:002009-01-30T21:23:00.000-06:00Learn something about forests, trees and natural s...Learn something about forests, trees and natural succession. Things change, and not everyone wants to live in an urban paradise.The Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05354536924604187137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62355988855090213562009-01-30T21:16:00.000-06:002009-01-30T21:16:00.000-06:00Purity is important to the environmental movement....Purity is important to the environmental movement. It is more important to have "pure" wilderness that "new growth" forests.<BR/><BR/>Evolution is really the environmentalists enemy. They are the real conservatives...Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611979723230966040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62658979198559180152009-01-30T20:50:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:50:00.000-06:00"We got us some re-populating to do!"But Bissage, ..."We got us some re-populating to do!"<BR/><BR/>But Bissage, Nancy Pelosi wants to spend millions of your money on condoms to prevent just that!PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31873774091396282602009-01-30T20:43:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:43:00.000-06:00Lack of biodiversity is exactly the issue with suc...<I>Lack of biodiversity is exactly the issue with such "new" forests.</I><BR/><BR/>Biodiversity means bugs.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520113896946845614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15664447491514703262009-01-30T20:29:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:29:00.000-06:00So, fuck trees. They can all go to hell, the murde...<I>So, fuck trees. They can all go to hell, the murdering sumbitches.</I><BR/><BR/>That's what Reagan said, isn't it? Albeit, more politely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42510204305922869662009-01-30T20:27:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:27:00.000-06:00I hear they actually hug trees! Not tourist trees!...<I>I hear they actually hug trees! </I><BR/><BR/>Not tourist trees!<BR/><BR/>Actually... I like <A HREF="http://synova.blogspot.com/2009/01/hey-tree-hugger-try-this-one.html" REL="nofollow">this one.</A>Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25669339405550183342009-01-30T20:07:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:07:00.000-06:00roughly 15,000 years ago there was no Amazon rain ...<I>roughly 15,000 years ago there was no Amazon rain forest, apart for a 100 square mile patch in what is now southern Guyana.</I><BR/><BR/>And that 100 square mile patch?<BR/><BR/>Started out as a lawn some asshole refused to keep mowed.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37188171776088304492009-01-30T20:01:00.000-06:002009-01-30T20:01:00.000-06:00It's pretty simple. Envinronmentalists believe th...It's pretty simple. Envinronmentalists believe that 'nature' (note that for some reason that does not include humans or anything man-made--don't even bother asking where we could have come from) has an <I>intrinsic</I> value <B>apart from man</B>. They could not care less about people. I really like <A HREF="http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=22271&news_iv_ctrl=2457" REL="nofollow">this</A> explanation about why will can never be 'green enough.'tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15797561656420404838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57345639284793949702009-01-30T19:41:00.000-06:002009-01-30T19:41:00.000-06:00Come on Althouse. Sentimental reasons? It's way mo...Come on Althouse. <BR/><BR/>Sentimental reasons? It's way more than that. I hear they actually hug trees! Hence their cute nicknames.I'm Full of Souphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241724007440718575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80149574248828576852009-01-30T19:39:00.000-06:002009-01-30T19:39:00.000-06:00for every thousand volumes we pulp we're printing ...<I>for every thousand volumes we pulp we're printing up 50,000 more copies of the latest Danielle Steele novel.</I><BR/><BR/>I guess that analogy makes sense, if you view a tree in the rainforest as good and wonderful and a tree someplace else as cheap and nearly-worthless. Particularly if (ugh! I can hardly bear to say it) those nasty non-rainforest trees were... PLANTED... by those disgusting HUMANS. Ugh! Ugh! They've got people cooties. If that's the way you view the world then the analogy to Danielle Steele fits perfectly.<BR/><BR/>Of course, to a person who doesn't view the world that way your analogy's completely retarded.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25927792663139338582009-01-30T19:36:00.000-06:002009-01-30T19:36:00.000-06:00What's your purpose? do you conflate one category ...What's your purpose? do you conflate one category (Absorbing CO2) with another category(being pure and untouched by evil men)? You can try for both just like you can be for fertility of your women folk and for their remaining virgins too. But good Husbandry requires a game plan that is not self destructive because of a simplistic, Truther-type, fixed idea claiming that you cannot arrange a common sense compromise. Then again, how else can the Greenies work their extortion plots on you requiring that you pay them first for their permission to enjoy your own women. CONFUSION IS YOUR ENEMY!traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51349036465181482982009-01-30T18:54:00.000-06:002009-01-30T18:54:00.000-06:00When humans move out, the jungle will reclaim its ...When humans move out, the jungle will reclaim its land. It's more likely that the planet will kill us and erase any trace of our existence long before we destroy it ourselves.Albatrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156254141379602471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15833856779074490312009-01-30T18:47:00.000-06:002009-01-30T18:47:00.000-06:00The analogy would be to say: Washington is getting...The analogy would be to say: Washington is getting crowded and we need more space, so we've decided to pulp all the books in the Library of Congress. But this isn't a big deal -- for every thousand volumes we pulp we're printing up 50,000 more copies of the latest Danielle Steele novel. We'll have even *more* books than we did before we got rid of the LC.Robert J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12937384579138400443noreply@blogger.com