tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6279922236794090117..comments2024-03-14T23:15:53.892-05:00Comments on Althouse: "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place where we were born and raised."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger292125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21562939347929966082013-01-15T01:52:53.877-06:002013-01-15T01:52:53.877-06:00Today I learn about birth certificates in the Uni...Today I learn about <a href="http://birthcertificate.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> birth certificates </a>in the United Kingdom.A <a href="http://birthcertificate.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> birth certificate </a>is a vital way of recording the birth of a new baby. It also helps countries and local councils keep a close check on the population growth. There are two forms to which the term <a href="http://birthcertificate.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> birth certificate </a>can refer to. The first is known as the original document, the second is a certified copy which represents the original record of birth.<br />The <a href="http://birthcertificate.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> birth certificate </a>gives the individual an official identity from the moment it is born. Since 1827 the registering of births and also deaths and marriages has been common practice in the United Kingdom. Initially there were no fines for not registering the arrival of a new baby boy or girl, that however, changed before long because keeping an eye on the changes in population numbers, gave a better indication of the spending required in the coming years ahead, in terms of education, transport, and any the availability of manpower, should the need arise. Possibly due to Britain's acquisition of countries it called its commonwealth, the racial mix of the British population was very varied. Every <a href="http://birthcertificate.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> birth certificate </a>from the United Kingdom, will include details about the birth, such as the name and gender of the child, the name(s) of the parents, even sometimes the race of the baby is required. Crucially details like date of birth and location of birth add up to make up the identity of the person.<br />nahidworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947389111301055524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4894896944450190752012-08-26T11:46:45.993-05:002012-08-26T11:46:45.993-05:00You are an idiot.You are an idiot.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12347257608959894645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54436466091221092212012-08-25T18:04:38.390-05:002012-08-25T18:04:38.390-05:00Ann Althouse said...
"There's also t...Ann Althouse said...<br /><br /> "There's also the fact that the state Obama was born in is Hawaii... so immensely far from the rest of the country (and, at the time of his birth, only recently a state)". <br /><br /><br />And because Hawaii allowed foreign births to be registered as if in Hawaii, as long as the parents were residents.<br /><br />(Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178)Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57995381503423339802012-08-25T17:59:38.604-05:002012-08-25T17:59:38.604-05:00HT said...
Mitt Romney's father was born ...HT said...<br /><br /> Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico.<br /><br /> o what happened with President Obama? Is he the only president to have a foreign-born parent?<br /><br /> He is the seventh president with at least one foreign-born parent. It has been 76 years since the last: Herbert Hoover had a Canadian-born mother. Woodrow Wilson's mother was English. Chester Arthur and James Buchanan both had Irish fathers. Thomas Jefferson's mother was born in England, and Andrew Jackson's parents were both born in Ireland.<br /><br /> Along with McCain, presidential contender Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, and Bill Richardson's parents were both foreign-born, his father from Nicaragua and his mother from Mexico.<br /><br /> http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-is-the-seventh-president-with-a-foreign-born-parent<br /><br /> Has everyone forgotten google?<br /><br /><br />All nonsense.<br />Romney's father was a US Citizen when Mitt was born.<br /><br />Hoover and Wison's mother's were naturalized by marriage to a US Citizen.<br /><br />Buchanan's father was naturalized before James' birth.<br /><br />Thomas Jefferson and Jackson were not natural born Citizens--- they were beneficiaries of the "grandfather clause" which made all citizens of the US in 1789 eligible.<br /><br />George Romney, Richardson and McCain were not elected-- the point is moot--- also Senate Resolutions (511) carry no weight of US Law.<br /><br />The only other Usurper was Chester Arthur, and the same arguments about place of birth went on then (people thought he was born in Canada). Hiding in plain sight was the fact that his father did not naturalize until CA was 13 (there was no internet at the time). NO ONE knew that he was not naturalized, and it has only recently been discovered (in 2009).<br />http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/<br /><br />Arthur went to great lengths to hide his past--- even burning all family history before he died. Scholarly papers on the subject of foreign parentage and nbC never mention Arthur 30 years after his death--- so NO ONE knew, and fraud is not precedent. <br />Obama obviously knew that history-- which is why he was so public about his foreign father<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/68922032/Natural-Born-Citizen-Within-Meaning-of-Constitution-by-Breckenridge-Long-Democrat-1916<br /><br /><br /><br />--- now he has been caught-- and must hide behind the Birth Certificate controversy. <br />Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59970157361799736722012-08-25T17:45:29.010-05:002012-08-25T17:45:29.010-05:00Cedarford said...
gadfly said...
Cedarfor... Cedarford said...<br /><br /> gadfly said...<br /> Cedarford:<br /><br /> "We birthers believe that the Constitution's requirement that the President be a "natural born citizen," simply means that that person must be the offspring of two citizens. This requirement only applies to the President.<br /><br /> Obviously, Barry's father was not a U.S. citizen.<br /><br /> You Birthers are nuts.<br /> Both of Andrew Jackson's parents were born in Ireland.<br /> Hoovers Mom was Canadian.<br /> Etc., etc.<br /><br /> Anne Althouse is dead wrong about Ted Cruz's eligibility.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Andrew Jackson's parents citizenship was not an issue, since Jackson was a beneficiary of the "grandfather clause", "or a CITIZEN at the time of the ratification..."--- he was born before ratification, and was a citizen of the US at the time the USC was ratified. Hoover's mother was naturalized by marriage to a US Citizen by Naturalization Act 1855. So you are wrong on both counts. Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38043998903974094002012-08-25T17:40:21.350-05:002012-08-25T17:40:21.350-05:00Unknown said...
"My little girls were bo...Unknown said...<br /><br /> "My little girls were born abroad to one foreign parent (mom) and one American parent (me). They, too, are American citizens from birth."<br /><br />Yeah they are naturalized at birth by US Code 8 S. 1401, but they are not natural born Citizens of A2S1C4. Not eligible, although they enjoy all the privileges and immunities of citizenship.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61297129591881913342012-08-25T17:36:28.517-05:002012-08-25T17:36:28.517-05:00Hayden said,
"President Obama probably is an ...Hayden said,<br />"President Obama probably is an American citizen, and may, indeed, be a Native Born American Citizen, but I will suggest that he really isn't "American", meaning that he hasn't and doesn't share in the common American experiences, expectations, etc".<br /><br /><br /><br />DING DING DING--- thus is the purpose of the requirement that Presidents be nbCs--- so that they have the requisite allegiance and attachment necessary to lead America, and its Armed Forces. Obama is EXACTLY whom the framers were preventing from the office.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54011100017300028282012-08-25T17:33:02.972-05:002012-08-25T17:33:02.972-05:00Jim S. said...
"I imagine Ted Cruz has t...Jim S. said...<br /><br /> "I imagine Ted Cruz has those values, and he was born in Canada. He might make a great Senator from Texas soon, but he can never be President. We don't need to see his birth certificate, because it's no secret. He's not qualified to be President, and it's no disparagement of him to say that.<br /><br /> Being born in the United States is only one way to be a natural-born American citizen. If you're born outside of the US to American citizen parents, then you are also a natural-born American citizen. I know this because my kids were born in Europe, and they are considered natural-born American citizens. Most countries do not bestow citizenship just for being born within their borders. We had to get our kids passports when they were about eight weeks old. Their passport photos are adorable".<br /><br /><br /><br />Who says they are natural born Citizens? Natural born Citizens are born in the US of US Citizens (88 US 162, 167), where no statute is needed to make them US Citizens--- what else would they be? Your children needed US Code 8 S. 1401 to be US Citizens--- thus they were naturalized at birth, and not natural born. John McCain, born in the PCZ needed USC 8 s. 1403 to be a US Citizen-- so he isn't either. Obama was born a British subject of a British subject father-- thus he is not natural born. Rubio and Jindal were born of resident alien parents in America-- so their foreign citizenship at birth disqualifies them. It's really quite simple.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7088697178055857692012-08-25T17:26:35.857-05:002012-08-25T17:26:35.857-05:00Lindsey Meadows said...
"Bruce Hayden sa... Lindsey Meadows said...<br /><br /> "Bruce Hayden said...<br /> "President Obama probably is an American citizen...."<br /><br /> Gosh Bruce. Ya'think? Get rid of the word "probably" and you won't sound like you are from another planet."<br /><br /><br />The question is whether he is a natural born Citizen-- that's the requirement. By his own story, from his own mouth, he is not natural born, since he was born British, of a British subject father, which does not conform to the definition of natural law, espoused in Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162,167.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32557366010758561632012-08-25T17:23:12.048-05:002012-08-25T17:23:12.048-05:00Unknown said...
"DonM
Whether Barac...Unknown said...<br /><br /> "DonM<br /><br /> Whether Barack Obama was fathered by Barak Obama Senior or Frank Marshal Davis (Communist Party membership card number 47544), she was not legally married since the Kenyan was already married so Barak Hussein Obama was born illegitimate and so, by the laws in effect in 1962, would be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the United States due to his mother's citizenship regardless of her age or the location of her son's birth."<br /><br /><br />It has nothing to do w/ the laws in effect in 1962. It has everything to do w/ the law in effect in 1789 (the Constitution). A2S1C4 has never been amended. It is correct though that if Ann Dunham was not married to BO Sr. then BO 2 would be eligible. However there is a divorce decree in Hawaii that says they were married.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67080859948373939482012-08-25T17:14:57.104-05:002012-08-25T17:14:57.104-05:00"I agree that if both your parents are Americ... "I agree that if both your parents are American citizens and you are therefore an American citizen at birth, that's good enough for the constitutional requirement". <br /><br /><br />Sorry Ann but you should know better than that. "American Citizen at birth" is not the requirement, natural born Citizen is. It is not a requirement that "should be food enough", it is a requirement that assures allegiance and attachment to country (to the highest degree possible). Don't you know that the writer of Federalist #68, Alexander Hamilton, proposed that the requirement be "born a Citizen", but was overruled in favor of "natural born Citizen"?<br />It us a well known tenet of statutory construction that terms of art, like "natural born Citizen" are not defined by the dictionary or by breaking them down phonetically. It is also well known that the usage of a term of art, like "natural born Citizen," in a statutory scheme implies the adoption of the entire body of law from which it comes (natural law, or law of nations). Thus "law of nations" is adopted whole cloth into the Constitution at A1S8C10. <br /><br />What is the natural law definition?<br />"§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."<br /><br />Obama's foreign father assures that this may or not be the place of his birth, but America is not in his heart, and that is obvious.<br /><br />Gee that's the same as Minor v. Happersett!<br /><br />"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."<br /><br />“where a phrase in a statute appears to have become a term of art . . . , any attempt to break down the term into its constituent words is not apt to illuminate its meaning.” Sullivan v. Stroop, 496 U.S. 478, 483 (1990)<br /><br />“[W]here Congress borrows terms of art in which are accumulated the legal<br />tradition and meaning of centuries of practice, it presumably knows and adopts<br />the cluster of ideas that were attached to each borrowed word in the body of<br />learning from which it was taken and the meaning its use will convey to the<br />judicial mind unless otherwise instructed. In such a case, absence of contrary<br />direction may be taken as satisfaction with widely accepted definitions, not as<br />departure from them.” Morissette v. United States, 342 U.S. 246, 263 (1952). See also Miles v. Apex Marine Corp., 498 U.S. 19, 32 (1990) (“We assume that Congress is aware of existing law when it<br />passes legislation”).<br /><br /><br /> Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60836995028224701022012-08-25T12:46:52.703-05:002012-08-25T12:46:52.703-05:00My guess is that one of the reasons that Romney is...My guess is that one of the reasons that Romney is able to pay 13% or so in total tax rates, is that he does tithe. 30% of 10% is 3% tax cut, or, as the libs would claim, tax loophole. But, before you go too far along with that argument, consider whether the Mormon Church is going to do more with Romney's 10% than the government could do with the with the 3% that he doesn't pay in taxes due to this "tax loophole". (I would suggest that the LDS church would do better on a 1:1 basis than the federal govt could, which is far less than the real (maybe) 3.3:1 ratio).Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88326936169639059542012-08-25T12:40:35.459-05:002012-08-25T12:40:35.459-05:00Gosh Bruce. Ya'think? Get rid of the word &quo...<i>Gosh Bruce. Ya'think? Get rid of the word "probably" and you won't sound like you are from another planet.</i><br /><br />I don't know, nor do you, for 100% certainty, that Obama is an American citizen. You cannot. You may be able to say 99% or 99.9%, but you weren't there at his birth, etc. If you prefer, I will say "most probably". But, I can't say for sure that anyone here is an American citizen, besides myself, for the same reasons. Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36810384921726677302012-08-25T11:18:45.146-05:002012-08-25T11:18:45.146-05:00My dear sweet Twana you are the one who is confuse...My dear sweet Twana you are the one who is confused. It is quite impossible for President Obama to be his own father.<br /><br />Your claim to being new to the blog is almost as specious as your claim to being a woman.<br /><br />Most unbelievable my good fellow.<br />Baron Zemohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301531733692419610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11172707275713622452012-08-25T11:14:19.045-05:002012-08-25T11:14:19.045-05:00If Obama had the exact same history but were white...If Obama had the exact same history but were white, this issue never would have come up. <br /><br />Oh, and now I am very glad to have stumbled onto this site, so that I now know the 37 items I must hoard.jeirichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12069479253983062540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24487414530070458322012-08-25T11:11:10.408-05:002012-08-25T11:11:10.408-05:00Well after Mitten put forth Ryan for VP all the &q...<i>Well after Mitten put forth Ryan for VP all the "joke air" was kinda sucked out of the room.</i><br /><br />Thought that was when the DNC decided to send Sandra Fluke to Charlotte and Joe Biden to Tampa (He thinks it's "Tulsa").furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87835610447893222252012-08-25T11:09:38.924-05:002012-08-25T11:09:38.924-05:00I'm fairly new to this blog. I didn't real...<i>I'm fairly new to this blog. I didn't realize it was run to gin up money for the moderator.</i><br /><br />Whatever it is, for putting up with bitchy twits like you it ain't enought.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11961931317298761372012-08-25T09:37:32.615-05:002012-08-25T09:37:32.615-05:00garage mahal (12:54am) writes as if tithing were s...garage mahal (12:54am) writes as if tithing were some bizarre practice known only to Mormons. Does he really not know that tens of millions of non-Mormon Americans tithe? Tithers probably include Methodist George W. Bush, as argued in <a href="http://www.drweevil.org/archives/000088.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>, though the comments were unfortunately lost in a server change.Dr Weevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059306888033890029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80994840026799417002012-08-25T08:51:21.810-05:002012-08-25T08:51:21.810-05:00Renee said...
Why didn't Obama's campaign ...Renee said...<br />Why didn't Obama's campaign respond with a joke ..."<br /><br />Well after Mitten put forth Ryan for VP all the "joke air" was kinda sucked out of the room....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67592252199158587562012-08-25T08:08:25.786-05:002012-08-25T08:08:25.786-05:00Why didn't Obama's campaign respond with a...<i>Why didn't Obama's campaign respond with a joke in return. They have speech writers for humor, and after a week talking about rape, we need something to lighten the political climate.</i><br /><br />I know, right? or even an in-kind swipe, like "Nobody has ever asked Obama why he will only release 2 years of taxes!"<br /><br />But the fact is, Obama was asked for his birth certificate. Even Obama jokes about it. You don't have to believe Obama wasn't born in the US to note that getting his birth certificate from him was kinda a big thing.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17354967677847898262012-08-25T08:03:16.198-05:002012-08-25T08:03:16.198-05:00Why didn't Obama's campaign respond with a...Why didn't Obama's campaign respond with a joke in return. They have speech writers for humor, and after a week talking about rape, we need something to lighten the political climate.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91042089790275999872012-08-25T08:01:04.220-05:002012-08-25T08:01:04.220-05:00There is no pretending the citizenship requirement...There is no pretending the citizenship requirement for President is clear as day. It isn't. It's been an issue in several presidential campaigns, including Romney's father's. Obviously, Mitt Romney doesn't think being born outside of the USA is disqualifying. Some people do.<br /><br />The people who want to make this racism are going to have to find a way to make John McCain being asked for his birth certificate (by Congress!) to also be racist.<br /><br />Obama is a bit of a hothouse flower, it was obvious in 2008. Unfortunately for him, people don't like him enough this time around to feel responsible for not hurting his feelings. MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90743123781955726332012-08-25T08:00:56.944-05:002012-08-25T08:00:56.944-05:00"The other side is trying to defend, so we ca...<br />"The other side is trying to defend, so we can see that the blow hurt. We can talk about the defenses: Is Romney a birther or a racist?"<br /><br />Romney is unabashedly American!dreamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758740197698814061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67240732836718622502012-08-25T08:00:00.746-05:002012-08-25T08:00:00.746-05:00marklewin--to further your good point, the festiva...marklewin--to further your good point, the festival of hate will continue after November 7 irrespective of who wins. A sad commentary on our body politic.<br /><br />As an aside the whole debate Kabuki should be abolished. Its a farce with the participants repeating stump speech talking points (with an occasional zinger thrown in)--if we have debates, do it Lincoln-Douglas style. And the moderator serves only to keep time.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61385649030647746292012-08-25T07:44:47.120-05:002012-08-25T07:44:47.120-05:00Prediction time - After the debates
The pubs will...Prediction time - After the debates<br /><br />The pubs will believe Romney dominated and Obama sucked<br /><br />The dems will say Obama ruled and Rommey stunk.<br /><br />And the festival of hate will continue on its merry waymarklewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05415072546941609808noreply@blogger.com