tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6227038775300907788..comments2024-03-18T22:05:18.672-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I appear before you this evening as a thief and a robber."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69545802509955050352014-10-17T08:44:12.160-05:002014-10-17T08:44:12.160-05:00Re: "
I'm waiting for some Althouse comme...Re: "<br />I'm waiting for some Althouse commentator to write a 1,000 word essay on why Crack is almost right."<br /><br />Can't picture it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25111093009210897622014-10-17T03:15:37.482-05:002014-10-17T03:15:37.482-05:00Just for the record, there's something called ...Just for the record, there's something called The White People Project y'all should check out:<br /><br />You're all over it,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82743237545803904312014-10-17T00:29:23.490-05:002014-10-17T00:29:23.490-05:00Just for the record:
Some of the most racist peop...Just for the record:<br /><br />Some of the most racist people I know are Black.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54527999150639688602014-10-16T22:59:30.341-05:002014-10-16T22:59:30.341-05:00Hey Brando, do you think anyone actually reads you...Hey Brando, do you think anyone actually reads your "War and Peace" essays?<br /><br />I mean except for Crack.rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75544647681326263202014-10-16T22:58:21.990-05:002014-10-16T22:58:21.990-05:00Crack fills a market niche. Dumb White Americans w...Crack fills a market niche. Dumb White Americans who feel "White Privilege". Aka The same SWPL types that read TNC.<br /><br />I'm waiting for some Althouse commentator to write a 1,000 word essay on why Crack is almost right.rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69486306464569527522014-10-16T22:12:06.782-05:002014-10-16T22:12:06.782-05:00I'm against cash reparations on prinicple, but...I'm against cash reparations on prinicple, but I might support land grants. There are hundreds of millions of acres of federal lands. Israelis have cultivated a wasteland, why couldn't American blacks? They could own the mineral rights and whatnot. The sticky issue is who gets it. Our commenter probably qualifies as a squeaky wheel.chillblainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299387445063571338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30040352142554191222014-10-16T20:20:17.468-05:002014-10-16T20:20:17.468-05:00Crack:
How stupid can you really get? Of course ...Crack:<br /><br />How stupid can you really get? Of course there is white privilege. So what? Who in their right mind would argue otherwise?<br /><br />There is no victory in getting someone to agree that white privilege exists. That is like getting someone to say that the sun rises in the East. Ok, cool. Good job.<br /><br />Now what? White people are not going to go: oh, shit, white privilege!! Here, have mine. That isn't going to happen.<br /><br /><br /><br />Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19061705529568066722014-10-16T19:32:19.980-05:002014-10-16T19:32:19.980-05:00The Crack* Strategy:
1. Offend as many strangers ...The Crack* Strategy:<br /><br />1. Offend as many strangers as possible.<br /><br />2. Get depressed and pout then go away when realization dawns.<br /><br />3. Come back and whine about self to get sympathy (usually from white females).<br /><br />4. Collect donations.<br /><br />5. Rinse, repeat.<br />__________________<br /><br />I've seen a lot people who utterly fail to see genus/species relationships, but Crack takes the cake. So much so that I can't help but wonder if it's a put-on. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28541248673023439582014-10-16T19:23:34.455-05:002014-10-16T19:23:34.455-05:00Bill O'Reilly conceded that white privege exis...Bill O'Reilly conceded that white privege exists and is "a factor" in determining black outcomes on The Daily Show.<br /><br />Sorry, Kids, but when you've lost Papa Bear,...<br /><br />The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71354092581614499912014-10-16T17:25:14.704-05:002014-10-16T17:25:14.704-05:00Oh, ok, so it's just a financial deal then, bu...Oh, ok, so it's just a financial deal then, but you're saving up? You should add that, something like "I can't wait until I can afford to move away from these sick & evil people." HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74216848962565902242014-10-16T14:57:58.256-05:002014-10-16T14:57:58.256-05:00HoodlumDoodlum,
"By choice, one should note....HoodlumDoodlum,<br /><br />"By choice, one should note."<br /><br />Oh yeah, because - in our financial situation - blacks are just flying here and there willy-nilly.<br /><br />Leavingg the US is as easy as pie - and, my, it's so nice things aren't "still the same" - like whites encouraging us to go back to Africa, or just leave the country, rather than whites trying to make it a better nation.<br /><br />It's not white supremacy when whites think they make these decisions either.<br /><br />It's "still not the same"...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27176811039357960922014-10-16T14:54:28.831-05:002014-10-16T14:54:28.831-05:00"Racism does exist and there continues to be ..."Racism does exist and there continues to be very real and unconscionable injustices that have a disproportionately negative affect on blacks in this country."<br /><br />Iincluding all the dead - blacks just don't deserve compensation for enduring it all, right? That would be wrong. <br /><br />"There is undeniably something amiss when a sizeable segment of a nations’ population perceives that they are continuously being victimized (and not just with those doing the perceiving)."<br /><br />Again with white's distancing - you admit to racism but forget that: it's just that blacks have a perception problem - we just imagine the abuses you admit white's commit. What a fucking pretzel your mind must become under this topic.<br /><br />"But, adamantly assigning to whites, as a race, an unrealistic, if not impossible level of consolidated power and malicious intent to victimize strikes me as an extremely counterproductive way to address the issue."<br /><br />Because "White Power" wasn't the long-standing rule in this country? Really? You speak too well to be this ignorant. Are you Mormon?<br /><br />"At some point there has to be a meeting of minds."<br /><br />How? You can't even bow to 400 years of documented history - the facts - and you expect us to agree with you? I'm asking everyone:<br /><br />Is giving whites direct financial transfusions under duress - through slavery, jim crow taxes, and unfair housing policies - a reparational harm to blacks or not?<br /><br />"Repeated cries of “You’re all racists” followed by the reflexive response “No we’re not.” isn’t working."<br /><br />Then quit trying to wiggle out of it - it would go a long way to convincing everyone you've changed,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85713227107759116712014-10-16T14:54:24.214-05:002014-10-16T14:54:24.214-05:00Mike Findlay,
"The problem with Coates' ...Mike Findlay,<br /><br />"The problem with Coates' argument is that it ascribes to whites, as a people, an immense amount of power, and a continuing intent to perpetuate injustice."<br /><br />Yeah, history tells us nothing about that - it's just an "argument" crazy blacks make. Wow, you guys are incredible.<br /><br />"After all no race could be so subjugated, oppressed, abused, etc by another race as Coates claims blacks are by whites, unless the abusing race had far reaching power over the lives of the oppressed, and the intent to exercise that power towards unjust ends."<br /><br />Like making blacks move off the sidewalk when whites - any white person - walked down the street? Or restricting where we could go - or taking our taxes while not letting us into the facilities we paid for - and with whites having no intention of returning it? Nah, none of that happened. <br /><br />That Coates is such a fabulist.<br /><br />"I don't know if it is even possible for a race, made up of individuals, to have such consolidated power, acting together with one purpose, but I do know that very few whites perceive themselves as having that much power or desire to perpetuate injustice."<br /><br />And that's all it takes - whites agreeing they didn't do what every history book says they indeed did - and it's not white supremacy that allows them to determine what's real that way, damn the facts. <br /><br />Wild.<br /><br />"I'd venture that many whites feel rather powerless against the "system" in their own personal lives and, I think even Crack would admit, don't want to see themselves as bigots."<br /><br />You didn't see the quote I put a few days ago, by U.S. Grant, where he said poor whites need emancipation as bad as blacks - being pawns of the powerful themselves? Unfortunately, there's many people - including some here - who are so filled with racial resentment THEY don't want to see that happen. You have to ask yourself:<br /><br />Who does it serve to keep blacks from receiving justice? It's not like reparations is coming out of your paycheck. And if it's not for racists, but you're against government intrusion in American lives, who does it help to stand against the government's comeuppance when it comes to blacks?<br /><br /> I say whites are fighting the wrong people when they attack blacks - we've been bringing freedom to everybody in this country.<br /><br />The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5425617316911381432014-10-16T14:30:56.429-05:002014-10-16T14:30:56.429-05:00Shanna,
"I don't assume it's 'al...Shanna,<br /><br />"I don't assume it's 'all good now', but I also don't think it's the same. You do. Coates does, maybe. My issue is that he mostly didn't make the argument at all."<br /><br />Because nobody's ever argued it's "still the same" - like it's blacks who are ignorant to what we did to free ourselves - why do you insist on "still the same" to be the only metric for abuse? <br /><br />If whites don't hang us, but still rip us off and shoot us down in the street, that's not "still the same" but is it good? And what makes up for all the taxes blacks were forced to pay for facilities we couldn't use? You deciding things aren't "still the same" so no harm done and forget about it? <br /><br />"He listed bad things, terrible things yes, I don't know how long you want me to go on to prove that I know that they were terrible. They were."<br /><br />You just think blacks shouldn't be able to talk about it, without facing white ridicule, and don't even consider compensation because it's "still the same" - that makes it all better, right?<br /><br />"Society has changed the laws, and I would certainly argue tried to make things better."<br /><br />No - blacks changed the laws and society agreed with our arguments - but how that makes up for the wealth stolen as black men were murdered, and the psychological damage as black women raped, you'll have to explain - since you "know that they were terrible" and think that's enough for us to respect you, as fellow citizens, after 400 years of whites doing "terrible" things to us with our government's approval.<br /><br />"They have not completely succeeded but I will not agree that it is still exactly the same."<br /><br />Not completely succeeded? Man, you love the euphemisms, don't you? The reality a little too meager for you to speak? <br /><br />And "still not the same" again - is that really your out? Whites were forced to pull the knife out of our back and now we're all healed, are we? No first aid. No blood transfusion. No return of stolen goods - just the acknowledgement you're not stabbing anymore - which you think makes us even steven - while we suffer from a thousand "terrible" white-inflicted wounds.<br /><br />Incredible.<br /><br />"Coates tries to say it's the same, but he never really digs in and makes a full argument."<br /><br />Because you're addressing the topic in your head and not the topic of the article - it's not whether or not things are "still the same" but whether they are so radically different. Blacks say "no" - you don't care as long as it's not "still the same".<br /><br />"We are just supposed to know I guess."<br /><br />Yeah - that recent string of blacks being murdered is no hint things are wrong - just like that black kid who got pepper sprayed by the cops, at home, last week. That's just a good ol' fashioned normal American life - happened to you lately? Anyone you know? Is it even remotely possible? <br /><br />"He even makes the point that they don't make the argument properly in the book he read."<br /><br />He showed you multiple ways black lives have been criminalized since the beginning of our history for no reason other than we're black - just as there are multiple ways whites have tried to keep us from voting - and you don't get the point? Oh yeah:<br /><br />Multiple ways to kill people and disenfranchise the living aren't "still the same" - and apparently inflict no damage on anyone - which is why whites keep compulsively doing it. No harm done.<br /><br />"So what was the point of his article?"<br /><br />Keep wondering, Sister, I'm sure it's really, really hard to grasp simply because we're "still" not slaves anymore,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78027414659887560582014-10-16T14:16:26.857-05:002014-10-16T14:16:26.857-05:00I live with a truly sick and evil people,...
By c...<i>I live with a truly sick and evil people,...</i><br /><br />By choice, one should note. If I voluntarily live on a busy street and spend all day complaining about how much traffic there is, should others feel continued sympathy towards my argument that cars are evil and should be traded for bicycles? <br />Any walls keepin' you in?HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12776541895535095732014-10-16T12:58:20.994-05:002014-10-16T12:58:20.994-05:00As far as what blacks today suffer on account of t...As far as what blacks today suffer on account of their race, most of it is not in the form of blatant racism--e.g., a boss telling his HR director to "hire someone for this job, just no blacks!" I mean sure, that may happen from time to time, but bosses who do that don't last long. There are though more subtle ways racial bias can harm blacks, without it ever being intended or even known about (e.g., an all-white hiring panel identifying with and having better rapport with white candidates than black ones, who as a result will be more nervous and blow the interview). There's also the case where the shopkeeper or cop will be more nervous around young black men than they would with young white men, maybe not even noticing the difference, but having it change the entire interaction in a way that ultimately has the black person driven from the store, or arrested.<br /><br />The problem is that these biases can't be easily fixed with legislation--it was one thing to say to a bus company that they couldn't make blacks sit in one section of the bus, or prosecute a company with "whites only" in their want ad. But what about unconscious, unprovable cases where the black candidate has to do more to overcome hidden biases? <br /><br />Affirmative action for a few generations has been the preferred solution of the Left--require the hiring or admission into college of more black people, and poof, problem solved! But it (a) often puts people in positions they're not really qualified for and will fail at, making it worse for them, (b) creates the stigma that they didn't really earn what they got, which may be true, (c) is unjust towards the qualified person who got shafted, and (d) perpetuates the classification of race above other qualities, even promoting well-off blacks over impoverished whites and Asians. Moreover, affirmative action does NOTHING to address unconscious biases, which is the primary racial obstacle facing blacks today.Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30018417536241199802014-10-16T12:31:22.947-05:002014-10-16T12:31:22.947-05:00Bias is a product of nature. While prejudice is a...Bias is a product of nature. While prejudice is a product of nurture or circumstance. The degenerate religion has generational and, in fact, progressive consequences.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25767083350539741042014-10-16T11:27:16.863-05:002014-10-16T11:27:16.863-05:00The problem with Coates' argument is that it a...The problem with Coates' argument is that it ascribes to whites, as a people, an immense amount of power, and a continuing intent to perpetuate injustice. After all no race could be so subjugated, oppressed, abused, etc by another race as Coates claims blacks are by whites, unless the abusing race had far reaching power over the lives of the oppressed, and the intent to exercise that power towards unjust ends.<br /><br />I don't know if it is even possible for a race, made up of individuals, to have such consolidated power, acting together with one purpose, but I do know that very few whites perceive themselves as having that much power or desire to perpetuate injustice. I'd venture that many whites feel rather powerless against the "system" in their own personal lives and, I think even Crack would admit, don't want to see themselves as bigots. <br /> <br />Racism does exist and there continues to be very real and unconscionable injustices that have a disproportionately negative affect on blacks in this country. There is undeniably something amiss when a sizeable segment of a nations’ population perceives that they are continuously being victimized (and not just with those doing the perceiving). But, adamantly assigning to whites, as a race, an unrealistic, if not impossible level of consolidated power and malicious intent to victimize strikes me as an extremely counterproductive way to address the issue.<br /> <br />At some point there has to be a meeting of minds. Repeated cries of “You’re all racists” followed by the reflexive response “No we’re not.” isn’t working.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570258535646460568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24623860590052731542014-10-16T11:01:16.477-05:002014-10-16T11:01:16.477-05:00I don't read bigots.I don't read bigots.campyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188668300381722712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1283791254069242442014-10-16T10:54:03.402-05:002014-10-16T10:54:03.402-05:00You're a regular Cliven Bundy,...
Not quite. ...<i>You're a regular Cliven Bundy,...<br /><br /></i>Not quite. Haven't slipped into full paranoia mode.<br /><br />You must see, though, that to tar an entire race because members of that race tarred* a different race is silly. Makes for good hyperbole, I guess, but that's it.<br /><br />(Not speaking literally)MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52458726872212131842014-10-16T10:54:02.548-05:002014-10-16T10:54:02.548-05:00Stoking the fire for riots and profit.Stoking the fire for riots and profit.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28669792745683782502014-10-16T10:48:37.038-05:002014-10-16T10:48:37.038-05:00Hey, we Irish did pretty good by getting discrimi...Hey, we Irish did pretty good by getting discriminated at, for the first few generations we were here in large numbers. Don't forget that we started organized crime here, before the Italians.mikeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875483485290838207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20574548125325423932014-10-16T10:42:55.448-05:002014-10-16T10:42:55.448-05:00Except they're not the premier outlaw class. ...Except they're not the premier outlaw class. That title used to belong to the Italians. Now, it's a toss up between the Russians and the Hispanics. DKWalserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03643566618988902306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43037402272691178792014-10-16T10:33:57.605-05:002014-10-16T10:33:57.605-05:00Michael said...
Coates is precious. He is not a gr...<i>Michael said...<br />Coates is precious. He is not a great writer but he will be a bad one if he doesn't demonstrate some interest in another topic.</i><br /><br />I used to watch C-span's "Book TV". Every black author I saw except Sowell was peddling a book about how horrible it is to be black. Poor oppressed college profs on national TV.Fernandinandehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11253225431705407699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27986042132970080762014-10-16T10:33:36.350-05:002014-10-16T10:33:36.350-05:00Here are two, supposedly-intelligent, people. Both...<i>Here are two, supposedly-intelligent, people. Both kinda have it in their heads that those euphemistically named "bad things" (rape, murder, theft, and terrorism on a national level) happened to blacks from 1609 to 1960, but - since "they are not longer allowed" - the two, supposedly-intelligent, people blithely assume it's all good now</i><br /><br />I don't assume it's 'all good now', but I also don't think it's the same. You do. Coates does, maybe. My issue is that he mostly didn't make the argument at all. <br /><br />He listed bad things, terrible things yes, I don't know how long you want me to go on to prove that I know that they were terrible. They were. <br /><br />But society has changed the laws, and I would certainly argue tried to make things better. They have not completely succeeded but I will not agree that it is still exactly the same. Coates tries to say it's the same, but he never really digs in and makes a full argument. We are just supposed to know I guess. He even makes the point that they don't make the argument properly in the book he read. So what was the point of his article?Shannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15709594638793030086noreply@blogger.com