tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6001565117304783734..comments2024-03-19T05:50:55.970-05:00Comments on Althouse: "[I]t is troubling to me that rates of termination for pregnancies where Down syndrome is identified are extremely high."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger277125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39633534271488352692013-04-03T07:58:41.314-05:002013-04-03T07:58:41.314-05:00I tried to do a bit of digging on the numbes and p...I tried to do a bit of digging on the numbes and percentages, but the more you read the more confusing it becomes. Bottom line is that the data just isn't really available for reliable conclusions.<br /><br />The numbers that are reported seem to indicate the following:<br /><br />1. Numbers of live births of kids with DS have increased but the increase is less than would have been predicted based on rising maternal ages.<br /><br />2. There isn't a universally accepted set of data for the percentage or number of aborted DS fetuses. Some sources are using UK numbers, some use various states or conglomerations of data from several states.<br /><br />3. There has probably been a decline in the percentage of mothers choosing abortion after getting a DS diagnosis, but at the same time a rise in the actual number of mothers choosing to abort in that circumstance. Previously only older mothers were offered the screening but now it is offered to all. So, larger denominator means a smaller percentage but the numerator has also increased (the absolute number of DS abortions.)<br /><br />Beyond that, I don't think anyone can say with any certainty what the numbers and percentages really are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05641560429425448503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83316753817810000212013-04-03T02:43:06.115-05:002013-04-03T02:43:06.115-05:00"Remember, to you, it's not even just a n..."Remember, to you, it's not even just a numbers game if you can ignore the fact that you don't mind killing a few women to get to the promise of controlling their bodies and indulging the fantasy that all fetuses are viable."<br /><br />Ritmo<br />You do realize nearly the same sentence could be written about abortion don't you?<br /><br />Remember, to you, it's not even just a numbers game if you can ignore the fact that you don't mind killing a few women to get to the promise of controlling their bodies and indulging the fantasy that all fetuses ought to be subject to being killed at the whim of their mother.<br /><br />Women die on both sides of this issue. Babies are included in the carnage on the pro abortion side. Want to play the numbers game or the value of life game?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12418832032663751497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57464197912804509432013-04-03T01:56:41.243-05:002013-04-03T01:56:41.243-05:00Jaime Lannister: "But even if the boy lives, ...Jaime Lannister: "But even if the boy lives, he would be a cripple, a grotesque. Give me a good, clean death any day."<br /><br />Tyrion Lannister: "Speaking for the grotesques, I have to disagree. Death is so final, yet life is full of possibilities.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07338913314406566147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4134786741507637642013-04-03T01:02:57.325-05:002013-04-03T01:02:57.325-05:00And in Ireland, Ritmo, doctors are allowed to kill...And in Ireland, Ritmo, doctors are allowed to kill the baby if the mother's life is at risk.<br /><br />Obviously, the doctors made a mistake.<br /><br />Do you understand the moral difference between medical mistake and intentional homicide?Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80077037919248433532013-04-03T00:57:41.917-05:002013-04-03T00:57:41.917-05:00I want you to acknowledge HER right to life
I do ...<i>I want you to acknowledge HER right to life</i><br /><br />I do acknowledge her right to life, Ritmo. And I acknowledge her right to kill her baby, if her pregnancy is putting her life at risk. <br /><br />Why do you keep changing the subject? Does killing a baby with Down's make you uncomfortable? You don't want to talk about it? Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83792835430700388222013-04-03T00:51:06.980-05:002013-04-03T00:51:06.980-05:00Science is a lie, especially medical science, righ...<i>Science is a lie, especially medical science, right?</i><br /><br />I like science. I'm not the one running from photographs or 3-D ultrasounds. I want people to see what's going on. I like facts, and I like truth. Not a big fan of censorship and hiding the photographs from our people. But go ahead and complain about the photographs, Pravda boy. <br /><br /><i>to save the little sea monkeys.</i><br /><br />We've heard this animal rhetoric before in regard to human beings. It's nothing new. You define people as sub-human, you talk about them like they're sub-human. Nazis used similar rhetoric about the Jews. Slave-owners talked that way about Africans. <br /><br />You talk about "gills," Ritmo, and "sea monkeys." Is that science? <br /><br /><a href="http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/" rel="nofollow">Look at the photographs</a> if you can stand it.Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47503413046042549862013-04-03T00:47:53.814-05:002013-04-03T00:47:53.814-05:00Of course there may be some abortions that are acc...<i>Of course there may be some abortions that are acceptable.</i><br /><br />"May be"?<br /><br />Famous words of someone who hasn't educated himself on the subject. All that emotion, and you don't even know what you're talking about. <br /><br />Shameful. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64261578189887423522013-04-03T00:40:35.858-05:002013-04-03T00:40:35.858-05:00And you're certainly not "right" on ...And you're certainly not "right" on every pregnancy, Croicky. You kill one woman, and you're a woman killer. Just ask Savita. I want you to acknowledge HER right to life (whatever that means) and bodily autonomy (more of a legal precedent here and tangibly enforced).<br /><br />But you won't, because you are a COLD, HEARTLESS KILLER! And a vile fertility cultist! And anti-social(ist)!Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11198517086037805182013-04-03T00:37:17.864-05:002013-04-03T00:37:17.864-05:00You are a fool, and a slow reader.
The beating h...You are a fool, and a slow reader. <br /><br />The beating heart of the miscarried fetus stuck in the body of Savita Halappanavar wasn't much less than 22 weeks and you and your ilk killed her over it. Go ahead, GOOGLE the picture of the woman you've killed, and the many more like her you intend to kill, so that you can feel smugly wonderful about your absolutist position on uteruses and what's in them and whatnot. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58781573717049295012013-04-03T00:29:15.321-05:002013-04-03T00:29:15.321-05:00a miniscule percentage of all abortions
I hear J...<i>a miniscule percentage of all abortions</i> <br /><br />I hear Jack the Ripper killed a miniscule number of hookers.<br /><br /><i>primarily serves to end wanted but very life-threatening pregnancies</i><br /><br />This is a lie. The baby who was murdered in <b><i>Carhart</i></b> had Down's syndrome. Nothing life-threatening about Down's syndrome. <br /><br /><i>the fetus would be too grotesquely deformed to live at all.</i><br /><br />Another lie. Babies with Down's syndrome live long and happy lives. You hate them because they won't pay taxes to the state that you place above humanity. You are a vile socialist, Ritmo, an embarrassment to humanity, and a liar.<br /><br />Healthy babies are routinely killed after 22 weeks. Every day. <br /><br /><i>You're talking cyclopses, decerebrates, monstrosities born without skulls</i><br /><br />I want you to acknowledge that the baby who was murdered in <b><i>Carhart</i></b> had a right to life. I want you to acknowledge that a child with Down's syndrome is a human being, and parents should not kill her.<br /><br />Or if you're okay with killing the handicapped, spit it out, Nazi boy. Don't be shy. <br /><br /><i>all sorts of horrifying and hopeless matters that you think it's worth it to your sensibilities to put a woman into septic shock for.</i><br /><br />Of course there may be some abortions that are acceptable. For instance, if the baby has no head at all. I don't have to prove every abortion is a homicide, dummy. I just have to prove that one innocent baby was killed, for <b><i>Roe v. Wade</i></b> to be a bad opinion. <br /><br />You have to be right on every single abortion, Ritmo. Including the <b><i>Carhart</i></b> baby, who was killed at 26 weeks, because she had Down's. You kill one baby, you're a baby-killer, Ritmo.Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58137062088452258302013-04-03T00:15:42.517-05:002013-04-03T00:15:42.517-05:00ST, Pogo... It's like an autistic traditionali...ST, Pogo... It's like an autistic traditionalist's imaginary friends listing.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15825483276706951152013-04-03T00:14:52.663-05:002013-04-03T00:14:52.663-05:00And Sister, you sure aren't being reasonable. ...And Sister, you sure aren't being reasonable. What reasonable, "loving"! thing could you say for that woman who died in Ireland in October?<br /><br />Come on. Think about it. Don't be a hack. You want your sleep to be well-deserved tonight, right?Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53885094150990054582013-04-03T00:12:46.265-05:002013-04-03T00:12:46.265-05:00Whatever you say, Sister Benedict.
I just hope y...Whatever you say, Sister Benedict. <br /><br />I just hope you find your talk <i>exciting</i> enough for the Savita Halappanavars of the world. Yep, her spirit longs for all the excitin' rhetoric and thoughtless dogma you have her! Holy smokes! Let's kill a Hindu woman and sacrifice her to the god of intellectual expediency!Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64198203217797815822013-04-03T00:10:24.128-05:002013-04-03T00:10:24.128-05:00His most serious point to me was to admit that he&...<i>His most serious point to me was to admit that he's just playing a game</i><br /><br />Wasn't that your schtick? I'm sure ST has your admission bookmarked--he's linked it a few times. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57320984767509015062013-04-03T00:07:54.348-05:002013-04-03T00:07:54.348-05:00o Ritmo Segundo - You are a tiresome Obama hack wh...o Ritmo Segundo - You are a tiresome Obama hack who will say anything here to cast good folks with thoughtful reflections on a serious issue as Republicans.<br /><br />I actually wonder if you get paid for your absolute baloney sausage.<br /><br />You actually give me hope - if all reasonable, loving people need to confront is the logic of someone like you - we will prevail.<br /><br /><br />Signing off on this thread but I am still gonna dedicate a few beads to you. You are such a Dem/progresive/sheepish hack.<br /><br />I feel bad for you.PianoLessonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501310618624381801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67793772845279862472013-04-03T00:07:36.388-05:002013-04-03T00:07:36.388-05:00Look everyone! We have a martyr, too! Isn't li...Look everyone! <i>We</i> have a martyr, too! Isn't life grand. Over <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=savita+halappanavar" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br /><br />Post that into your GOOGLE images search, St. Croix. Let me know where in her neck, (or uterus), you'd like to plunge your knife. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79045167018780608962013-04-03T00:01:34.293-05:002013-04-03T00:01:34.293-05:00Abandonment is always an option--and it still occu...<i>Abandonment is always an option--and it still occurs in secret. It's like a miscarriage of invention. But it doesn't change the legal definition of conception.</i><br /><br />Oh, give it a fucking rest already. Maybe the turning of the tide is as much a function of extremist Republican idiocy as it is the fact that now men have been implanted with embryos to carry. Go ahead, Chicken, loan your body out to save the little sea monkeys. My guess is, you won't. <br /><br /><i>I wonder if Ritmo will listen to Pogo when it comes to end-of-life questions.</i><br /><br />Who the hell cares what that paranoid, fanatical constipation doctor says about anything? His most serious point to me was to admit that he's just playing a game. Glenn Beck has deeper thoughts than Pogo. Seriously. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17020178165257100842013-04-02T23:58:47.595-05:002013-04-02T23:58:47.595-05:00Anyway, I'll take your "Carhart" and...Anyway, I'll take your "Carhart" and raise you a "Savita Halappanavar". <br /><br />May you have many Savita Halappanavars to kill with your "ethics", St. Croix. Remember, to you, it's not even just a numbers game if you can ignore the fact that you don't mind killing a few women to get to the promise of controlling their bodies and indulging the fantasy that all fetuses are viable. And miscarriages never happen, too. God never creates things that aren't viable - ever. All are healthy, strong and destined to live long lives, even when born without organs. No biggie. Science is a lie, especially medical science, right?Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81597216111251496952013-04-02T23:56:30.432-05:002013-04-02T23:56:30.432-05:00O Ritmo Segundo said...
Sorry St. Croix, I'm s...O Ritmo Segundo said...<br /><i>Sorry St. Croix, I'm still with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and New England Journal of Medicine on this one. Funny that I think physicians should over-rule theocrats on medical matters, but I do.</i><br /><br />I wonder if Ritmo will listen to Pogo when it comes to end-of-life questions. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33288696788490321582013-04-02T23:55:11.779-05:002013-04-02T23:55:11.779-05:00Or removed from consideration.
Abandonment is alw...<i>Or removed from consideration.</i><br /><br />Abandonment is always an option--and it still occurs in secret. It's like a miscarriage of invention. But it doesn't change the legal definition of conception. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55420058439768075652013-04-02T23:46:52.190-05:002013-04-02T23:46:52.190-05:00Sorry St. Croix, I'm still with the American C...Sorry St. Croix, I'm still with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and New England Journal of Medicine on this one. Funny that I think physicians should over-rule theocrats on medical matters, but I do.<br /><br />You are ignorant if you don't realize that the existence of late-term abortions (a miniscule percentage of all abortions) primarily serves to end wanted but very life-threatening pregnancies in which the fetus would be too grotesquely deformed to live at all. You're talking cyclopses, decerebrates, monstrosities born without skulls, all sorts of horrifying and hopeless matters that you think it's worth it to your sensibilities to put a woman into septic shock for. Shameful. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18084353002644966982013-04-02T23:45:41.525-05:002013-04-02T23:45:41.525-05:00O Ritmo Segundo - BTW - it's always my lawn wh...O Ritmo Segundo - BTW - it's always my lawn when someone gets in my face.<br /><br />I was just on your lawn with my thing about "dedicating a rosary to you"<br /><br />Feel free to tell me to get off your lawn, bud, but I'll still spend some minutes tomorrow doing what I said I would do.<br /><br />When I say a rosary for someone - I am totally on their lawn - in their space and hopefully in their hearts even if they don't know it.<br /><br />So put that in your pipe and smoke it (in keeping with my stodgy discourse. BTW - I haven't heard anyone use that adjective in a while and you use it often. Odd word....I kind of like it :-)PianoLessonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501310618624381801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40075300876259972152013-04-02T23:42:24.885-05:002013-04-02T23:42:24.885-05:00Invention are not conceived nor reduced to practic...<i>Invention are not conceived nor reduced to practice in public either; further, they are owned or "sold" by their "parents".</i><br /><br />Or removed from consideration. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9804656955048511882013-04-02T23:38:49.417-05:002013-04-02T23:38:49.417-05:00O Ritmo Segundo said...
Who are you to say anyone&...O Ritmo Segundo said...<br />Who are you to say anyone's sympathy for the cognitively disabled among us is "disproportionate"?<br /><br />Someone who notices that you don't extend the same sympathy to the financially "disabled"/uninsured among us, whom you condemn to an equally brutal fate. <br /><br />My responses here on this thread were on topic per the issue of aborting Down's Syndrome babies...<br /><br />I extend similar compassion and sympathy to the finacially disabled and uninsured among us - trust me.<br />I never condemned these folks to an kind of "equally brutal fate" - in fact, I think I have spoken out that the fate of the cognitively disabled which you refer to as the "retarded" - so old school - such a stodgy and uncaring term - is not brutal at all in the world we have designed today.<br /><br />I was warned to not feed a troll - and I frankly am not sure who is a troll and who is not on the Althouse blog - but you - my friend - have a giant chip on your shoulder and an agenda that shows you haven't read through this thoughtful thread at all.<br /><br />I'm actually gonna do something that will drive you crazy - most likely.<br /><br />I'll devote a rosary to you. So there:-)PianoLessonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501310618624381801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70851352436614294802013-04-02T23:37:49.039-05:002013-04-02T23:37:49.039-05:00Like babies, inventions are disclosed at birth for...Like babies, inventions are disclosed at birth for the world to see--but they exist well before hand. <br /><br />Actually, this all changed under Obama--AIA.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.com