tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5835306612789798016..comments2024-03-28T21:31:01.273-05:00Comments on Althouse: "'There is nothing to be served by dressing up as a racist stereotype.'"Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32797112956262713122008-11-26T06:25:00.000-06:002008-11-26T06:25:00.000-06:00The parents should rent "Last of the Mohicans."Rus...The parents should rent "Last of the Mohicans."<BR/><BR/>Russell Means, Wes Studi and a big bunch of Native Americans dressing up like stereotypical Indians for money.<BR/><BR/>Or go to a Native American pow wow, where hundred of Native Americans dress up like Indians and dance.<BR/><BR/>Makes the 5 year olds look small time.save_the_rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292805042626368911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87049660278222903282008-11-25T20:18:00.000-06:002008-11-25T20:18:00.000-06:00Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): "Is there any o...<I>Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"<BR/>Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."<BR/>Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."<BR/>Holmes: "That was the curious incident." </I><BR/><BR/>The more I think about this the more I come to the conclusion that Ms. Raheja's problem with the dress-up is that it <I>doesn't</I> dehumanize anybody.<BR/><BR/>Something must be done to the <I>pilgrim</I> costume to make clear the pilgrim's colonialist agenda.<BR/><BR/>The racist stereotype is the lack of a racist stereotype.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480329783749187372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58166846460963528042008-11-25T18:55:00.000-06:002008-11-25T18:55:00.000-06:00From the woman's abstract in a journal, she seems ...From the woman's abstract in a journal, she seems to be about protest over other cultures "stealing" "appropriating without permission" from Indians for commercialization or entertainment (as in the kids case).<BR/><BR/><I>Raheja, Michelle.<BR/>Selling the Indian: Commercializing and Appropriating American Indian Cultures (review)<BR/>Studies in American Indian Literatures - Volume 16, Number 2, Summer 2004, pp. 85-87<BR/><BR/>University of Nebraska Press <BR/><BR/>Michelle Raheja - Selling the Indian: Commercializing & Appropriating American Indian Cultures (review) - Studies in American Indian Literatures 16:2 Studies in American Indian Literatures 16.2 (2004) 85-87 Carter Jones Meyer and Diana Royer, eds. Selling the Indian: Commercializing & Appropriating American Indian Cultures. Tucson: U of Arizona P, 2001. xix + 279 pp. From grocery store dairy sections carrying Land O'Lakes butter to toy store shelves stocked with Pocahontas and G.I. Joe Navajo Code Talker dolls, it is clear that Indian-themed merchandise sells well. In Selling the Indian: Commercializing & Appropriating American Indian Cultures, Carter Jones Meyer and Diana Royer have collected a series of essays treating the various ways Indian-produced arts, crafts, and performances "were commercialized and appropriated in the twentieth century" (xi). The book is divided into two sections, "Staging the Indian" and "Marketing the Indian," marking the difference between performances of...</I><BR/><BR/>I presume that Indians will start asking permission from whites and blacks and hispanics to "appropriate" their culture. No Indian kids on the Rez dressed in hip hop clothing or using "white attire" in school plays? <BR/><BR/>"Hispanic" is another thing, referring to an artifical race or ethnicity designed by two Jewish lawyers under Nixon when they set up the EEO and pioneered "affirmative action". (They also created "pacific islanders" in the AA game, and kept the "one touch of the tarbrush concept") <BR/><BR/>It is funny because the rules say only people born in America and somewhat in Canada and PR can say they are Native American, providing they are 1/32nd Indian..Meanwhile, a 100% native indian Guatemalan, full blooded Maya, is not a NA, but a hispanic. Made funnier still when a casino where the typical "Indian" is blue-eyed or what other tribes call a "Monigan" 90% or better non-Indian, employs "hispanic" Guatemalans to clean their casino toilets and change hotel linens.<BR/><BR/>The average Chollo out Michelle's way in Cali is more NA than she is.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22933255147106219622008-11-25T18:43:00.000-06:002008-11-25T18:43:00.000-06:00Dreamer said...Until you've been on the receiving ...<I>Dreamer said...Until you've been on the receiving end of a demeaning stereotype, maybe you should consider shutting the f--- up.</I><BR/><BR/>Wake up, it's not like these White people are playing Indian by getting drunk and rolling around unwashed in deerskin. Or burning homes and carrying off the children.<BR/><BR/><I>All of the comments I've read seem to be coming from a privileged position--the position of 'I get to decide what the story is--and if it's flattering or demeaning.'</I><BR/><BR/>You know you're right. After seeing <A HREF="http://www.barrycampbell.net/1007.jpg" REL="nofollow"> this hateful racism </A> and <A HREF="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PN9Hdes2umc/R0w7JEIcmNI/AAAAAAAAAxM/RSp_F3zWYzE/DSCF6601.JPG" REL="nofollow"> Eurocentric, hegemonic White normative gaze</A> I now realize there is <A HREF="http://suburbanhousewifeadventures.blogspot.com/2008/02/indian-princess.html" REL="nofollow"> nothing "cute" about this cultural appropriation.</A><BR/><BR/><I>You need to start listening people--or when the minority becomes the majority in 25 years or so,</I><BR/><BR/>The White Devils are already a racial minority in California where Sacjawhiner made her complaint.<BR/><BR/>And I think the days of an American Indian majority in the North America are long gone.<BR/><BR/><I>you'll find yourselves whining about the stereotypes being applied to YOU.</I><BR/><BR/>I used to be emotionally traumatized by <A HREF="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/full-list-of-stuff-white-people-like/" REL="nofollow"> this site.</A> Then I leaned it was about Other White people, the better ones.<BR/><BR/>Now I'm OK about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7010289243841565772008-11-25T17:39:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:39:00.000-06:00Maybe Dreamer could explain to us what is demeanin...Maybe Dreamer could explain to us what is demeaning about the stereotype?<BR/><BR/>Yes, we all know what *happened* later on... but no-one at the first Thanksgiving had any notion, not on either side.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57770896129829358442008-11-25T17:36:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:36:00.000-06:00Don't tell her about the Mardi Gras Indians.Don't tell her about the <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5237773" REL="nofollow">Mardi Gras</A> <A HREF="http://www.nola.com/mardigras/about/index.ssf?/mardigras/about/content/stories/supersunday_04.html" REL="nofollow">Indians</A>.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84943768321464978462008-11-25T17:34:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:34:00.000-06:00or when the minority becomes the majority in 25 ye...<I>or when the minority becomes the majority in 25 years or so, you'll find yourselves whining about the stereotypes being applied to YOU.</I><BR/><BR/>Stereotypes have been applied to people like me for a long time, well before any minority became "the majority". I'm white, so the stereotype is that a racist. My surname is Polish, so the stereotype is that I'm stupid. I develop software, so the stereotype is that I'm a nerd. I'm politically conservative, so one stereotypes is that I'm intolerant. I live in California, so the stereotype is that I'm wacky.<BR/><BR/>Only the stereotype about being a nerd is true.Ernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11935384729081231581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84624241522155741622008-11-25T17:29:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:29:00.000-06:00"If you let your ancestors' experiences define you..."If you let your ancestors' experiences define your future you're never going anywhere in life."<BR/><BR/>Well said! And Dreamer, no one is “deciding” what the story is – it just is what it is. It is a great story about how the American Indians helped the settlers figure out how to live in this new land. What the heck is bad about that story? Do you not see how stupid this women’s complaint is? <BR/><BR/>“Damn that school they are teaching kids that people of different backgrounds can come together and live in peace (at least for a while). How dare they not teach my daughter that she is a victim, that she has been wronged and that the world owes her. I mean how can we progress as a society if people are taught exactly why and how they have been harmed," said the successful college professor.Superdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10205717585979271326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89593244729524948612008-11-25T17:27:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:27:00.000-06:00Sad to say, Dreamer, we all have been subject to d...Sad to say, Dreamer, we all have been subject to demeaning stereotypes. I sob silently every time I hear "paddy wagon."<BR/><BR/>Maybe we need to stop thinking of ourselves as victims, develop a sense of humor, and get on with life. If Colin Powell can still serve his country after being refused a hotel room on his wedding night, can't we just suck the F up?<BR/><BR/>Time for Ann to post her Mom's WAVE booklet again, urging everyone to act as though you are someone to be respected.PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61009616244584429542008-11-25T17:16:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:16:00.000-06:00Dreamer wrote: "Until you've been on the receiving...Dreamer wrote: "Until you've been on the receiving end of a demeaning stereotype, maybe you should consider shutting the f--- up."<BR/><BR/>Wow, nobody ever talked to me like that. Wait, I was just on the receiving end of a demeaning stereotype! Thanks Dreamer!<BR/><BR/>Now you shut the frack up, you smelly hippie.<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25078891832504958862008-11-25T17:07:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:07:00.000-06:00So to the PC crowd, it would be better to forget t...So to the PC crowd, it would be better to forget that Native Americans were around in colonial times? Better to just forget all about them because it's all just too sad? Stupid.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83098394026766928362008-11-25T17:05:00.000-06:002008-11-25T17:05:00.000-06:00Someone explain to me how the feathers and fringes...Someone explain to me how the feathers and fringes are a racist stereotype given <A HREF="http://images.google.com/images?q=native+american+chief&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title" REL="nofollow">this</A>. Native Americans really did wear that stuff, and it was their own dress, not something imposed on them. I recently went to a powwow. The participants were wearing the same kind of thing. Were they participating in racist stereotypes of themselves?Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88352553054716596212008-11-25T16:57:00.000-06:002008-11-25T16:57:00.000-06:00Until you've been on the receiving end of a demean...<I>Until you've been on the receiving end of a demeaning stereotype, maybe you should consider shutting the f--- up.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I'm an atheist; I'm on the receiving end of demeaning stereotypes all the time. Plus, unlike blacks, Hispanics and "native Americans" we're still viewed negatively by most of the American people.<BR/><BR/>So I guess by your standards I'm well within my rights to tell the complainers within those groups to stop being such pussies. If you let your ancestors' experiences define your future you're never going anywhere in life.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19105229373345086062008-11-25T16:21:00.000-06:002008-11-25T16:21:00.000-06:00Until you've been on the receiving end of a demean...Until you've been on the receiving end of a demeaning stereotype, maybe you should consider shutting the f--- up. All of the comments I've read seem to be coming from a privileged position--the position of 'I get to decide what the story is--and if it's flattering or demeaning.' You need to start listening people--or when the minority becomes the majority in 25 years or so, you'll find yourselves whining about the stereotypes being applied to YOU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4902410406223709642008-11-25T16:09:00.000-06:002008-11-25T16:09:00.000-06:00Drill SGT, I stand corrected.Drill SGT, I stand corrected.Richard Faginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00578733720191838363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35499986612802778592008-11-25T15:41:00.000-06:002008-11-25T15:41:00.000-06:00From the same article:Raheja is "using those child...From the same article:<BR/><BR/><I>Raheja is "using those children as a political platform for herself and her ideas," Constance Garabedian said as her 5-year-old Mountain View kindergartner happily practiced a song about Native Americans in the background. "I'm not a professor and I'm not a historian, but I can put the dots together."</I>Host with the Mosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688942020227316003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85605614150934334432008-11-25T15:12:00.000-06:002008-11-25T15:12:00.000-06:00Hey, I spent my first year of college at Riverside...Hey, I spent my first year of college at Riverside Community College (in the 70's)and there were, well . . . <BR/><BR/>There was an assistant professor of anthropology, Dr. Jackson, a black man who felt that America was completely founded and still so ingrained in racism that there will never be a black man elected President of the United States. We heard about America's racist heritage about 25% of the class time in that anthropology class.<BR/><BR/>I did get an A in the class as I recall. The teacher liked me.<BR/><BR/>I guess political correctness has always been around.Host with the Mosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688942020227316003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91051430762210007702008-11-25T14:43:00.001-06:002008-11-25T14:43:00.001-06:00Hey I am having the kids dress up as native americ...Hey I am having the kids dress up as native americans this year. They are wearing those little aprons with the change thingies in them so the people at the house can play the slot machines without having to go to the ATM. Just like they have at Foxwoods or the Mohegan Sun.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83387321166599689102008-11-25T14:43:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:43:00.000-06:00"Its always a good thing to think about, criticall...<I>"Its always a good thing to think about, critically, how we teach kids, even from very young ages, the message we want them to learn, and the respect for the diversity of the American experiences," said Jennifer Tilton, an assistant professor of race and ethnic studies at the University of Redlands and a Claremont parent who opposes the costumes.</I><BR/><BR/>I believe the message that the kids will learn from this episode is that adults are idiots.<BR/><BR/>A useful message!Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480329783749187372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44701481107107501692008-11-25T14:31:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:31:00.000-06:00What this woman seems to want is no depiction what...<I>What this woman seems to want is no depiction whatsoever of any group that supposedly "struggled in our nation's history."</I><BR/><BR/>I think more accurately, she and all the other racial guilt extorting con artists want is to control the message. They want to be the one in charge of the depictions. <BR/><BR/>any non-trademarked depiction, used without appropriate licensing, is racist.The Drill SGThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16394309533144027391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41159920744561906722008-11-25T14:23:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:23:00.000-06:00white men's diseasesI'm offended by this racist sp...<I>white men's diseases</I><BR/><BR/>I'm offended by this racist speech!<BR/><BR/>Like these wagon burners are any better. How many Indians are in the NBA?<BR/><BR/>All White men should celebrate Thanksgiving by siting in front of the TV while some woman, doesn't have to be a squaw, brings him his food while she is <A HREF="http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/20610.jpg" REL="nofollow"> dressed as an Indian Princess. </A><BR/><BR/>Deal with that Princess Michelle Raheja.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84754455130356778552008-11-25T14:13:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:13:00.000-06:00I'll bet this profs Native American name translate...I'll bet this profs Native American name translates to 'colostomy bag that walks like a human.'Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12327563444009264980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58390774485529114532008-11-25T14:12:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:12:00.000-06:00Oh, note the picture. To be accurate, shouldn't w...Oh, note the picture. To be accurate, shouldn't we banish young Vince Tran from participating at all? After all, there were no ASians in the colonies at that time, were they?PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79673650852937192112008-11-25T14:10:00.000-06:002008-11-25T14:10:00.000-06:00This is the event I referred to yesterday as "neve...This is the event I referred to yesterday as "never too early to instill white guilt."<BR/><BR/>Folks, this is accepted wisdom on state campuses. These are the people teaching our future generations.PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4073294368576984432008-11-25T13:54:00.000-06:002008-11-25T13:54:00.000-06:00I there anything - anything?? - that liberals do n...I there anything - anything?? - that liberals do not want to take the fun out of?Charityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503219349010891344noreply@blogger.com