tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5651574165427151001..comments2024-03-28T09:23:58.221-05:00Comments on Althouse: I hate hate hate hate the new SiteMeter.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42816424298993803942008-09-17T10:53:00.000-05:002008-09-17T10:53:00.000-05:00Oops. 1985 was the year of new Coke's introductio...Oops. 1985 was the year of new Coke's introduction.Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18103388094850474612008-09-16T19:43:00.000-05:002008-09-16T19:43:00.000-05:00Blake,For what it's worth, the wikipedia "New Coke...Blake,<BR/><BR/>For what it's worth, the wikipedia "New Coke" article says,<BR/><BR/>In 1985 [2 years after its introduction], New Coke was sold only in Canada, the United States, and United States territories, while the original formula continued to be sold in the rest of the world (had the new version been a success it would presumably have been introduced worldwide). New Coke was eventually returned to the company's product portfolio; it was test-marketed in certain U.S. cities under the name Coke II in 1990 and officially renamed Coke II in 1992. So, having determined not to make it a second brand, the company ultimately did exactly that.<BR/><BR/>However, Coca-Cola did little to promote or otherwise distinguish it. In a market already offering far more choice of drinks calling themselves "Coke" in some fashion or another, the public saw little reason to embrace a product they had firmly rejected seven years earlier, and within about a year, Coke II was largely off the American shelves again. By 1998, it could only be found in some scattered Midwestern markets, and sometime in 2002, New Coke was discontinued entirely. On August 16 of that year, Coke announced a change of the label in which the word "Classic" was no longer so prominent, leading to speculation that it would eventually be removed and the last legacy of New Coke eliminated from the company's packaging.[52] The production of Coke II is, however, still theoretically possible; comparatively few brands have been cancelled by Coca-Cola outright, and the decision is usually left to semi-independent bottling companies to decide what they will bottle.<BR/><BR/>It has found acceptance in some foreign markets. As of 2006, it was still selling in Yap (one of the four Federated States of Micronesia), along with Coca-Cola C2. It is also still very popular in the U.S. Territory American Samoa, where it is still sold in most Coke vending machines.Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50104223033424343502008-09-16T12:33:00.000-05:002008-09-16T12:33:00.000-05:00Roger, I do think that's borne out by the sales ...Roger,<BR/><BR/> I do think that's borne out by the sales numbers. They did sell more Coke + New Coke than just Coke alone. I wasn't able to figure out whether you can actually buy New Coke (now "Coke II")--well, whether they actually made it, really.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26116085374871204762008-09-16T10:41:00.000-05:002008-09-16T10:41:00.000-05:00Blake,I think both things were going on: 1) many p...Blake,<BR/><BR/>I think both things were going on: 1) many people liked new Coke in small doses but didn't like it as a long-term steady thing, and 2) new Coke seemed like a loss of something valuable, not a gain of something better.<BR/><BR/>The really interesting question is why people came to perceive it as a loss rather than a gain. And why it took a while for the "loss" reaction to overshadow the "gain" reaction (Coke's sales had originally gone up).<BR/><BR/>Perhaps part of the reason was the spirit of the times (it was "morning in America," the middle of the Reagan years). But I'm pretty sure part of it was simple and mundane. For many steady Coke drinkers, new Coke just didn't wear well; after a while, they didn't like the new taste as well as the old.Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52281287911059232482008-09-16T04:57:00.000-05:002008-09-16T04:57:00.000-05:00CBSE Sample papers blog sitemeter sucks<A HREF="http://cbse-sample-papers.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">CBSE Sample papers blog sitemeter sucks</A>Naveenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05752180608373106105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90433200627647299752008-09-15T17:19:00.000-05:002008-09-15T17:19:00.000-05:00But Roger if that's true--and pardon me while I pa...But Roger if that's true--and pardon me while I pause for a moment and bask in the glory of a discussion in which we can raise different issues and understanding without degrading to calling each other liars--why would it be true for Coke and not Pepsi?<BR/><BR/>I don't recall New Coke being <I>sweeter</I> than Pepsi. It was very similar. It was perhaps too smooth. And then there's this, from Snopes:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/newcoke.asp" REL="nofollow">"Long before they'd tasted a sip of it, millions of Americans had decided they <I>hated</I> New Coke. Yes, in blind taste tests people had consistently said they liked the new formula better. However, a soft drink is so much more than merely its flavor; a soda is also its marketing. Coke had spent more than a hundred years convincing the North American population that its product was an integral part of their lives, their very identities. Taste be damned: to do away with Coca-Cola was to rip something vital from the American soul. Americans (never ones to peaceably go along with anything perceived as violating their identity) weren't going to stand for it, and they weren't shy about saying so."</A><BR/><BR/>Now, I can believe what you say, because I'm the sort of PITA who not only can taste the difference between similar sodas, but will skip having a Pepsi if I feel like a Coke, and vice-versa, and can spot a cane sugar vs. corn syrup formulation--but I'm not sure that taste is the key element in most people's choices.<BR/><BR/>Look at how much energy Coke devoted to being #1. It didn't matter if the various Cokes added up to more sales, they were worried about Pepsi claiming to be #1.<BR/><BR/>Maybe because that was leverage in the soda fountain market, dunno. But it seems like the simplicity of "better taste = more sales" doesn't entirely hold true.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21815959349790030522008-09-15T17:00:00.000-05:002008-09-15T17:00:00.000-05:00Before the introduction of new Coke, Pepsi had bee...Before the introduction of new Coke, Pepsi had been running a series of ads touting the Pepsi Challenge. Blindfolded people would take a taste of Coke and Pepsi, and then find out that the drink they preferred was Pepsi. The ads were very well-known and, for whatever reason, Coke was losing market share.<BR/><BR/>From the wikipedia article on "New Coke":<BR/><BR/>In talks, and his book Blink, author Malcolm Gladwell relates his conversations with market researchers in the food industry who put most of the blame for the failure of New Coke on the flawed nature of taste tests. They claim most are subject to systematic biases.<BR/><BR/>Tests such as the Pepsi Challenge were what are called in the industry "sip tests," meaning that drinkers were given small samples (less than a can or bottle's worth) to try out. Gladwell contends that what people say they like in these tests may not reflect what they will actually buy to sit at home and drink over a week or so.[54] Carol Dollard, who once worked in new product development for Pepsi, told Gladwell, "I've seen many times where the sip test will give you one result and the home-use test will give you the exact opposite."[55] For example, although many consumers react positively to the sweeter taste of Pepsi when drinking it in small volumes, it may become unattractively sickly when drunk in quantity. Coke, on the other hand, may be more attractive for drinking in volume, precisely because it is less sweet. A more comprehensive testing regime could possibly have revealed this, Gladwell's sources believe.[54]Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2565713746997089382008-09-15T12:21:00.000-05:002008-09-15T12:21:00.000-05:00That's an interesting take on New Coke. I'd always...That's an interesting take on New Coke. I'd always heard it that it wasn't that New Coke tasted bad so much as people had a visceral reaction to Coke itself being changed at all.<BR/><BR/>They might prefer the taste in a blind taste test, in other words, but life isn't a blind taste test.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17383857425599791442008-09-15T07:28:00.000-05:002008-09-15T07:28:00.000-05:00The Coca-Cola Company actually did ask quite a lar...The Coca-Cola Company actually did ask quite a large number of Coke drinkers to "take a few sips of New Coke"--and then listened to their responses. They liked it.<BR/><BR/>Alas, "taking a few sips" and drinking a whole can turned out to be significantly different experiences. They liked the first, hated the second.<BR/><BR/>Change is complex (and, yes, that's a political statement).Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44115653204875855922008-09-14T20:13:00.000-05:002008-09-14T20:13:00.000-05:00Did you see this? SiteMeter switched back to the o...Did you see this? SiteMeter switched back to the old version – thank God!<BR/><BR/>http://weblog.sitemeter.com/2008/09/14/our-apologiesDavid Stehlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043706128413626184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39971576723646321372008-09-14T19:55:00.000-05:002008-09-14T19:55:00.000-05:00Well the pox is gone. My old account is back!Well the pox is gone. My old account is back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82538226113977326162008-09-14T19:23:00.000-05:002008-09-14T19:23:00.000-05:00"Okay, since no one referenced it, I will:"Hey, I ..."<I>Okay, since no one referenced it, I will:</I>"<BR/><BR/>Hey, I referenced it, Victoria. See my comment at 9:47 am. I even brought Barack Obama directly into it since it did seem pretty clear to me that Ann was using it as a metaphor to talk about the election.<BR/><BR/>I also loved Randy's response:<BR/><BR/>"<I>Despite tremendous <B>hope</B> that the <B>change</B> would be for the better, it led instead to disappointment and bitterness. The fancy graphics and high-tech fluff can't disguise the lack of content.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I don't think he was talking about SiteMeter either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24234865312449107332008-09-14T17:42:00.000-05:002008-09-14T17:42:00.000-05:00Do they have an old version to go back to? Are our...Do they have an old version to go back to? Are our accounts going to be really screwed up? <BR/><BR/>I'm done. Totally. I should have left when they almost took the internet when they tested a code change on FF not IE and then went home for the weekend. <BR/><BR/>I emailed some PC article writers about this one. Maybe they'll do a writeup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4454403970438332962008-09-14T17:21:00.000-05:002008-09-14T17:21:00.000-05:00Try no traffic counting at all. I find that appro...Try no traffic counting at all. I find that approach very peaceful.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33355059545248552992008-09-14T17:03:00.000-05:002008-09-14T17:03:00.000-05:00The link is dead: Sitemeter is rolling back to the...The link is dead: Sitemeter is rolling back to the previous iteration.<BR/><BR/>Morons.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73514839324101921212008-09-14T16:21:00.000-05:002008-09-14T16:21:00.000-05:00Get Clicky!!! http://getclicky.com/8589I finally d...Get Clicky!!! http://getclicky.com/8589<BR/><BR/>I finally dumped Sitemeter for a metric service that delivers stats and info I'm actually interested in. =PFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06806535938886722281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68965753707705557112008-09-14T16:18:00.000-05:002008-09-14T16:18:00.000-05:00How come the count is over 28 million now?How come the count is over 28 million now?MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3437271085488430772008-09-14T15:59:00.000-05:002008-09-14T15:59:00.000-05:00I got one look at the new Sitemeter and was as dis...I got one look at the new Sitemeter and was as disgruntled as anyone about it -- figuring out basic things such as which readers arrived in what order from where suddenly seemed impossible -- but it appears to have crumbled under the criticism it has been receiving all day. <BR/><BR/>A message is now up on the Sitemeter site announcing:<BR/><BR/>"Good Afternoon, We have received and heard your feedback concerning the latest changes to the website. We will implementing a rollback to the website immediately. We will also be responding to each of your support requests as soon as possible."<BR/><BR/>As Andrew Sullivan would say, far too often: Know hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2909803018055086742008-09-14T15:52:00.000-05:002008-09-14T15:52:00.000-05:00They're rolling it back.They're rolling it back.kimschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742219426291395677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58528599580570690172008-09-14T15:43:00.000-05:002008-09-14T15:43:00.000-05:00I don't know anything about SiteMeter, but it's li...I don't know anything about SiteMeter, but it's like this when we get an SAP update at work. I always hear "update" or "upgrade" and scream NOOOOO!!! What used to work just fine and take 2 steps now takes 5. Gee, thanks.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04692552241491427101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77966347537872796832008-09-14T15:39:00.000-05:002008-09-14T15:39:00.000-05:00The new sitemeter stinks on ice. The old format wa...The new sitemeter stinks on ice. The old format was good. You nailed it: a non improvement. This service wouldn't be useful if it were free.ptghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15079577478993790527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14753808290844227922008-09-14T15:33:00.000-05:002008-09-14T15:33:00.000-05:00I read that they've announced they're going to mak...I read that they've announced they're going to make the old version available again, but how could I ever trust someone who pulled something like this again? <A HREF="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2008/09/they-ruined-my-sitemeter-and-ive-tossed.html" REL="nofollow">They ruined my Sitemeter, and I've tossed it onto the trash heap of Web history</A>.Peter Patauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791464275398693662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6785912693184174272008-09-14T14:24:00.000-05:002008-09-14T14:24:00.000-05:00I honestly cried. I really did. First, it took for...I honestly cried. I really did. First, it took forever to get on and now that I'm on, I'm so confused. <BR/><BR/>Most of my stats on Friday and all of Saturday are gone. They said they were tracking them? <BR/><BR/>I have to login every time I refresh even with the save password button<BR/><BR/>My outclicks aren't being tracked at all. I tested it. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Seeing the IP numbers instead of the names doesn't help me. I've even had some IP addresses including one by a creep disappear altogether even though they should at least be in the history. <BR/><BR/>I don't know why the tracked visitors with information differs so much from the numbers of people listed on the entry page section and the nationality section. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Why do we need a demographic section, when most of the time gender and income level aren't even recorded? <BR/><BR/>I have a paid account but I think I'm switching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56811707763926917402008-09-14T14:21:00.000-05:002008-09-14T14:21:00.000-05:00I can't even sign in to see what they've done.I si...I can't even sign in to see what they've done.<BR/><BR/>I signed in with my old codename/password, got the "migration successful" message, and tried to sign in with my email address. Now, it just keeps looping back to the main page. When I use my old code name, it says it's already migrated, and to use the email address.<BR/><BR/>Hate. Hate. Hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15303804094461068982008-09-14T14:05:00.001-05:002008-09-14T14:05:00.001-05:00I agree. I was thoroughly dismayed when I saw the...I agree. I was thoroughly dismayed when I saw the new SiteMeter this morning.<BR/><BR/>I've had Google Analytics tracking going on for about 8 months now, and I guess I'll stick with that and just drop the SM code completely from my blog.<BR/><BR/>SiteMeter Basic used to be perfect for a low traffic blog like mine, but with the amount of traffic you get, you'll probably like Google Analytics. It's a bit of overkill for me. But it's still free.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382918421904501282noreply@blogger.com