tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5467373211934724367..comments2024-03-28T09:16:13.914-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Electrical smog develops around" CFL light bulbs — phenol, naphthalene and styrene.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80270343758142359682011-04-25T13:52:42.873-05:002011-04-25T13:52:42.873-05:00I wrote an article for my newspaper column a while...I wrote an article for my newspaper column a while ago about CFL's. I thought some might find it interesting.<br /><br />http://friendlyneighborhoodrepublican.blogspot.com/2010/09/shining-light-on-impulsive-mandates.htmlFriendly Neighborhood Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349972438818550823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60760674327855832762011-04-21T22:26:10.486-05:002011-04-21T22:26:10.486-05:00Methadras
In the case of my brother's company...Methadras<br /><br />In the case of my brother's company, they paid for (or specified and thought they got) a top grade material as part of the prototype and instead got crap reground floor sweepings. I'm not really a jingoist, I just don't trust'em. Its not the first time I've heard of this, just the most recent and closest to home.<br />Back to CFLs, they are relatively cheap if they worked as advertised, regardless of esthetic considerations, but they don't.chuckRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11116989548864110362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6910996788507705862011-04-21T20:58:36.872-05:002011-04-21T20:58:36.872-05:00chuckR said...
Sometimes you get what you pay for...<i>chuckR said...<br /><br />Sometimes you get what you pay for.</i><br /><br />In China? Absolutely. Material selection in engineering is a very difficult thing sometimes. There can be unforeseen consequences like using reground/recycled plastics vs. virgin plastics. There are distinct differences.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5961708455833840712011-04-21T20:56:42.321-05:002011-04-21T20:56:42.321-05:00Gladys said...
The uSA is doing the same with cor...<i>Gladys said...<br /><br />The uSA is doing the same with corn. And sugar? In USA sugar is more expensive than any country on the world</i><br /><br />That's because corn syrup has displaced sugar as the predominate sweetener in the US and when you tally corn subsidies on top of that, you can clearly see why sugar becomes expensive.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71244663635446500042011-04-21T20:55:04.137-05:002011-04-21T20:55:04.137-05:00Ann, I put the sole blame for this on the doorstep...Ann, I put the sole blame for this on the doorstep of your generation. They have totally screwed the pooch collectively for everyone. The envirokook movement has caused the death of millions of people and I don't see any indictment. The fact that it's directly related to leftardism is even more disparaging.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62009591711100206312011-04-21T18:38:35.167-05:002011-04-21T18:38:35.167-05:00How many environmentalists does it take to change ...<i>How many environmentalists does it take to change a light bulb?....</i><br /><br />If the environmentalist is a federal judge or BSD at the EPA it only takes ONE to change ALL the light bulbs.Col Mustardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02964204495100091586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15398739778826244562011-04-21T17:57:38.636-05:002011-04-21T17:57:38.636-05:00And tell me, does G.E. own stock in the CFL light ...And tell me, does G.E. own stock in the CFL light bulb factories? <br /> <br />Is that why G.E. has a HUGE 77 percent increase in earnings? And I hear TAX FREE?<br /> <br />Anyone here remember Ed Meese, his cufflink present, and the word SLEEZE?<br /> <br />Kind of quaint now,isn't it?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11635784352780834494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59725695521066915742011-04-21T17:29:23.834-05:002011-04-21T17:29:23.834-05:00The price trend I have seen for LED "bulbs&qu...The price trend I have seen for LED "bulbs" recently suggest to me that CFL's will be obsolete (and probably banned, if this article is any kind of leading indicator) within 3 years. Then all we have to worry about is disposing them! <br /><br />WV: kinetshu - War Boots (using 2001 US Federal Jargon)Fred Drinkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01619653106362906811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20621872550784955482011-04-21T17:29:08.480-05:002011-04-21T17:29:08.480-05:00I want to emulate Brazil's alcohol production ...I want to emulate Brazil's alcohol production and energy independence. They use sugar cane for producing ethanol<br />The uSA is doing the same with corn. And sugar? In USA sugar is more expensive than any country on the worldJose_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719969512996039279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72824647009902822102011-04-21T17:24:16.836-05:002011-04-21T17:24:16.836-05:00Too bad there was an ad for led bulbs ( more expen...Too bad there was an ad for led bulbs ( more expensive, more safe)in the same page.Jose_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719969512996039279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31853576166097030522011-04-21T17:18:43.178-05:002011-04-21T17:18:43.178-05:00The chemical gases listed by the article "inc...The chemical gases listed by the article "including phenol, naphthalene and styrene" I would expect to be emitted by any device containing a printed circuit board (PCB), adhesives, and styrene plastic components, when operating at an elevated temperature.<br />Such as: your flat-panel TV, your audio amplifier, or your microwave oven.<br />The article, as published, is ill-informed scare-journalism.Fred Drinkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01619653106362906811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25153432307130411722011-04-21T16:06:53.267-05:002011-04-21T16:06:53.267-05:00We've had some luck with the CFLs in the commo...We've had some luck with the CFLs in the common areas in our building - in the foyer, stairs and landings where the lights stay on 24/7 they seem to be lasting for years - in fact, I don't think we've replaced a single one. We also use them in the outside lights which come on and off once a day on a timer. I won't have the bloody ugly things in our apartment though. Just turn off the damned light when you leave the room.holdfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206911009978107266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3865461257919573662011-04-21T15:17:35.649-05:002011-04-21T15:17:35.649-05:00I get a content warning when I click links to Crac...I get a content warning when I click links to Crack's site. Anyone else?<br /><br /><i>Content Warning<br /><br />Some readers of this blog have contacted Google because they believe this blog's content is objectionable. In general, Google does not review nor do we endorse the content of this or any blog. </i>Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26402334829926957562011-04-21T14:36:55.697-05:002011-04-21T14:36:55.697-05:00I'm with MM and Tibor's skepticism.
I don...I'm with MM and Tibor's skepticism.<br /><br />I don't give a fig for phenol, napthalene, and styrene - without <i>amounts</i>.<br /><br />(Napthalene? Mothballs. Big god-damn deal.)<br /><br />No amounts/concentrations? No mechanism? No confirmation by another party?<br /><br />Color me unimpressed (and by the other hysteria at the end of the article, too - they're being blamed for being <i>too much like daylight</i> now!).<br /><br />I don't particularly like them, and don't at all approve of mandating them, but this is ridiculous garbage.Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56304980596804700822011-04-21T14:30:25.049-05:002011-04-21T14:30:25.049-05:00"Phenol, naphthalene, and styrene--I smell ar..."<i>Phenol, naphthalene, and styrene--I smell aromatics</i>"<br /><br />Whoa, did Peter hack your account?Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16290472887727928182011-04-21T13:41:48.534-05:002011-04-21T13:41:48.534-05:00"Electrical smog develops around" CFC li...<i>"Electrical smog develops around" CFC light bulbs — phenol, naphthalene and styrene.<br /> <br />"They should not be used in unventilated areas and definitely not in the proximity of the head."</i><br /><br />Oy (*facepalm*). Figures, <i>please</i>. The mere emission of such compounds doesn't automatically mean danger if the rates of emission are low.<br /><br />Phraseology like that reminds me of the stupid scare after 9/11 that conspiracy theorists use: The EPA measurement of "55x the backround level of radiation" being present. Of course, idiots went into a tizzy and started claiming the Twin Towers were nuked (*rolls eyes*), but even sane people were wondering "Wow, that's a lot, right?". Well, no it's not. 55x above background was still infinitesimal, and it was all due to tritium from things such as emergency exit lights, night-glow watches, the gunsight dots on federal officer's weapons (6 World Trade housed an armory for one of the federal law enforcement agencies housed there), etc. It was indeed an increase, and the EPA was properly doing it's job by publicizing it, but some who were aware of the announcement decided to take it in the wrong direction instead of properly apply <i>context</i> to it.<br /><br />Same thing here. What are the rates of those compound's emission? When I google for the researcher's name (Peter Braun), all I find are stories saying "CFL's cause cancer". (*Bang head, bang head, bang head on desk*). No, he's saying they release carcinogens, and yes, <i>there is a difference</i>. What are the actual <i>levels</i> produced? Yes, that's important to judging whether CFLs are dangerous or not. But that damn story decides to take the irresponsible route and not give any actual figures; instead, it falls into the standard media cliché of finding expert heads to butt against one another. Heat, not light, but that's the way the blasted press works nowadays.<br /><br />Anyway: Levels. Or the story is useless, Telegraph editors.Tiborehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360541843865827271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39128097615584702402011-04-21T13:04:38.762-05:002011-04-21T13:04:38.762-05:00It's not "fear mongering" to point o...It's not "fear mongering" to point out the inescapable reality that in ten or twenty years, the CFL's will be the new "lead paint". It's a foregone conclusion if you haven't been living in a hole for the last 40 years. <br />The science doesn't matter, or CFL's never would've been mandated in the first place. It's economic power politics at the most basic level. A big lie.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12555011317411375152011-04-21T13:03:00.756-05:002011-04-21T13:03:00.756-05:00Dave: The warm up period can be easy on the eyes i...Dave: The warm up period can be easy on the eyes in the middle of the night, but then again, I use a night light in the bathroom and, as a woman, I don't stand so no aiming issues!<br /><br />wv: gestrkimschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742219426291395677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45297661091915965982011-04-21T13:00:37.599-05:002011-04-21T13:00:37.599-05:00Thanks kimsch!
GE, ugh. But at least I know of a ...Thanks kimsch!<br /><br />GE, ugh. But at least I know of a brand that someone is having decent luck with. I predict I won't need any for years though since I have so many of the incandescent bulbs now, and <i>they don't fail nearly as fast</i> as those crappy CFLs do.<br /><br />I have to admit, I'm having trouble getting used to the fact that they come on at full brightness immediately. I'm used to runing them on a few minutes before I go in there.DaveWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07384839000387921199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13505088946813689132011-04-21T12:46:00.314-05:002011-04-21T12:46:00.314-05:00I assume you mean ozone decrease. There is a timel...<i>I assume you mean ozone decrease. There is a timelag in CFC reduction in the troposphere vs. Chlorine reduction in the stratosphere. My recollection is that chlorine concentration in the stratosphere is still increasing, but that the curve is now concave down</i>.<br /><br />I meant that the ozone hole isn't getting smaller.<br /><br />In any case, my point is that the "beneficial results" you referred to have not, as of yet, materialized.Automatic_Wing https://www.blogger.com/profile/10174899673368042634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68435677828392308752011-04-21T12:35:17.261-05:002011-04-21T12:35:17.261-05:00There is nothing that most of us do on a daily bas...<i>There is nothing that most of us do on a daily basis that is more dangerous than driving a car.</i><br /><br />Is the government trying to tell me that I have to use a car for all my transportation? It appears that they do want me to use CFLs for all my lighting.Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754684233296448192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89872566423673581532011-04-21T11:55:37.232-05:002011-04-21T11:55:37.232-05:00I think the incandescent bulb bans are stupid. Bu...I think the incandescent bulb bans are stupid. But fearmongering CFLs is evil.<br /><br />There is nothing that most of us do on a daily basis that is more dangerous than driving a car. Ginning up baseless fears of technology for political advantage is something we can leave to environmentalists.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61337337095819428532011-04-21T11:48:08.690-05:002011-04-21T11:48:08.690-05:00I'm glad the old memory is still hanging in th...I'm glad the old memory is still hanging in there.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26598884678769863672011-04-21T11:46:55.851-05:002011-04-21T11:46:55.851-05:00Above and beyond the mercury issue – they don’t la...Above and beyond the mercury issue – <a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Calif+Discovers+Fluorescent+Lightbulbs+Burning+Out+Faster+Than+Predicted/article20741.htm" rel="nofollow">they don’t last nearly as long as advertised.</a> Apparently, using them like the light bulbs they are set to replace makes them wear out quicker. Snap! <br /><br />Often turing them on and off, using them at any angle other than vertical - light side up, using them in a humid environment, and using them in enclosures all reduce their life significantly. I hope you don’t need light in a bathroom, hallway, closet, bedroom, kitchen, porch light, etc...<br /><br />So, the savings may end up be a wash, but you get the added bonus of less light, less attractive light, and a super fun cleanup should one ever break. Awesome!!<br /><br />All this fuss because those in government don't trust us enough to choose the right light for our individual needs.Joseph of FPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11844234781315866470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36766559171586122712011-04-21T11:44:42.344-05:002011-04-21T11:44:42.344-05:00It's my understanding that it's thought th...<i>It's my understanding that it's thought that it has always been there, but the claim is that CFCs are exacerbating it<br /><br /></i>That is exactly right. Ozone requires sunlight to form. In the long polar night of winter, it slowly decays. When the sun reappears in Spring, it can start to be regenerated -- unless chlorine is present in the atmosphere, in which case reactions on ice cloud surfaces can catalytically destroy ozone.<br /><br />Maguro writes:<br /><i>Not only that, the ozone isn't getting progressively smaller as fewer CFCs are released into the atmosphere<br /><br /></i>I assume you mean ozone decrease. There is a timelag in CFC reduction in the troposphere vs. Chlorine reduction in the stratosphere. My recollection is that chlorine concentration in the stratosphere is still increasing, but that the curve is now concave down.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.com