tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post541262317758061245..comments2024-03-28T04:08:06.986-05:00Comments on Althouse: Trump signs the loyalty pledge!Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43139044007204309702015-09-04T11:34:02.029-05:002015-09-04T11:34:02.029-05:00The Republican Establishment now, hopefully, will ...The Republican Establishment now, hopefully, will feel safe in getting this clown off the national stage. Finally.<br /><br />Hillary will still win, if the "Hillary in Prison 2016" bumper stickers aren't prophetic, but it won't be by a landslide as it would be against Trump.mikeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875483485290838207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23404612478148664682015-09-03T22:19:09.872-05:002015-09-03T22:19:09.872-05:00Anytime.Anytime.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46065851559121221522015-09-03T22:06:03.691-05:002015-09-03T22:06:03.691-05:00@Brando: "Nothing about this year suggests th...@Brando: "Nothing about this year suggests the GOP is in a state of good health, at least at the national level."<br /><br />Not saying the GOP is healthy, but "nothing" is an overstatement: biggest Congressional majority since 1920s, strongest and most diverse field of candidates in ages, strongest control at state level in decades (which matters nationally), plus O has left Dems in weaker position.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00505631054204611033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52993918920648267022015-09-03T21:50:24.212-05:002015-09-03T21:50:24.212-05:00Thank you for your response, Ritmo.Thank you for your response, Ritmo.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902260988617421481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32556644575198955622015-09-03T21:04:57.351-05:002015-09-03T21:04:57.351-05:00Hi Matt - It appears we both stand corrected. I ap...Hi Matt - It appears we both stand corrected. I apologize for what I said and if these oaths are substantively similar for both parties then I'm happy to call the Democrats a bunch of Nazis as well for similarly prosecuting them, especially if done beyond the purpose of holding an electoral college (or equivalent) official to their promise. I think the only reason this reads so differently is the press that the RNC and Don's run has made out of forcing the issue. These stories about Kucinich etc., were definitely not as prominent, but that doesn't make them any different if true.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30850420218843521662015-09-03T21:01:17.094-05:002015-09-03T21:01:17.094-05:00"I'll teach you how to google stuff one d...<i>"I'll teach you how to google stuff one day so you don't keep looking foolish."</i><br /><br />Yeah, good luck with that.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89562043142840149932015-09-03T20:40:27.391-05:002015-09-03T20:40:27.391-05:00R&B
My my, boy. You sure are some mind read...R&B<br /><br /><br />My my, boy. You sure are some mind reader, some deep thinker and some stereotyper. You don't' know a fucking thing about much of anything, much less my opinions on politicians.<br /><br />Your thin education shines there in the shallows. It gives itself away. You are not the right sort, son. A way you will never be as the man said.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32445839185864209082015-09-03T19:55:52.845-05:002015-09-03T19:55:52.845-05:00Ritmo, thank you for clarifying your reading of th...Ritmo, thank you for clarifying your reading of the text of the loyalty oath. I re-read it as well and agree with your interpretation of it. I was confused by the extra verbiage that seemed beyond the 'hey, you are an elector, you must vote for our party's candidate'. The extra requirements did not seem consistent with what an elector needs to do.<br /><br />Considering that, I recant calling you a liar about that specific part of our exchange.<br /><br />With that out of the way, tell me, how is what the Republicans doing more Nazi like than what the Democrats did with Kucinich. Be specific. What the hell does "a lot more Wehrmecht in its conciseness" even mean? That statement reads to me (and I imagine, others) like you are pulling shit out of your ass. Concise means "giving a lot of information clearly and in a few words; brief but comprehensive". I can't recall ever hearing anyone say, "Those damn Nazis and their conciseness!"<br /><br />In what way does the oath the Professor quoted differ substantively from what the Democrats expected of Kucinich?<br /><br />Why not acknowledge that your attack was unjust and without merit? Why continue as a bullshit troll?<br /><br />EDIT: for confusing typo.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902260988617421481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4577261615922889402015-09-03T19:22:30.272-05:002015-09-03T19:22:30.272-05:00Matt, you lied. You read just as easily as I did t...Matt, you lied. You read just as easily as I did the part that said "a qualified elector", but found a mysterious way to leave it out of your quote, for some reason.<br /><br />Now, I admit to being no pundit-guru but do have some understanding of the word "elector". Do you? Is it different from the meaning we know of as it is used in the Electoral College and other forms of indirect democracy?<br /><br />I am not being inconsistent. I am being completely consistent about electors showing integrity to the vote that decides in favor of the candidate they were chosen to elect. <br /><br />If that is how Republicans are using their "oath", then that's fine too. But I wouldn't know. I'm just going off the texts of these weird documents, and one sure sounded a heck of a lot more Wehrmacht in its conciseness than some others. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47872466576424121352015-09-03T19:11:18.020-05:002015-09-03T19:11:18.020-05:00Michael - here's a variety of views: I differ ...Michael - here's a variety of views: I differ greatly from you in that I can honestly identify Hillary Clinton as a greatly flawed, and perhaps even fatally flawed candidate - let alone her lack of any personal integrity.<br /><br />Whereas you will blow sunshine up as many politicans' asses and the asses of their followers as it takes to prevent yourself from admitting what their obvious weaknesses are. <br /><br />I don't doubt that you know which asses to kiss. I'm just glad to point out when all that buttering up and phoniness does a disservice to the country.<br /><br />You're welcome. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65697341341976849202015-09-03T19:08:08.860-05:002015-09-03T19:08:08.860-05:00So, in just the matter of minutes, you went from R...So, in just the matter of minutes, you went from Republicans are Nazis because of loyalty oaths to, well, a lot of equivocating on loyalty oaths. If the Republicans are like the Nazis because of loyalty oaths, are not the Democrats also like Nazis, Ritmo. Be consistent and principled like you pretend to be!<br /><br />'It's Texas.' No, it's DEMOCRATS! They forced Kucinich off the ballot with their insistence he sign a loyalty oath. Doesn't that make them Nazis in your estimation? <br /><br />Are you claiming Texas Democrats like Wendy Davis are not representative of Democrats' values and positions? <br /><br />Re-read the oath. It makes no reference to being just for members of the electoral college, which, of course, you know as evidenced by your qualifiers around your bogus claim. It says "...that I am qualified under the Constitution and Laws of the State of Florida and the Charter and Bylaws of the Florida Democratic Party to hold the office I am seeking, or to which I have been elected..." I have never heard a member of the electoral college as holding office. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902260988617421481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56656119033425611692015-09-03T19:06:35.010-05:002015-09-03T19:06:35.010-05:00R&B
Long way until one candidate will emerge....R&B<br /><br />Long way until one candidate will emerge. They will have been tested.<br /><br />Hillary never once marked the top secret emails she sent as Top Secret. I will hand you that. She seems too to be beefing up.<br /><br />LOLMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67607273554370117862015-09-03T18:56:36.163-05:002015-09-03T18:56:36.163-05:00More than a dozen candidates with a wide variety o...<i>More than a dozen candidates with a wide variety of views. Compare and contrast.</i><br /><br />Oh! <br /><br />You mean, Michael, the way Trump is obviously <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/" rel="nofollow">a secret Democrat</a>, just of the variety from long-ago before it was purged of Dixiecrats and banished them to the Republicans?<br /><br />Yes, I see what you mean. That is a huge variation from traditional Republican thinking. Other than, of course, the immigrant hatred - which is strong enough among voting Republicans to eclipse all other issues, apparently. <br /><br />Thanks for the explanation, Kind Sir!<br /><br />P.S. He's rolling you guys worse than logs on Class VI rapids. Enjoy the nausea and vomiting when you're done digesting your Wunder-Kandidat!Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77663884326889017592015-09-03T18:53:23.830-05:002015-09-03T18:53:23.830-05:00Self-avowed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)16...Self-avowed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)16%<br /> has put the powers that be in the Democrat Party at ease by saying that if he doesn’t beat Hillary Clinton and win the Democrat nomination in the upcoming primaries, he won’t try a third party run for 2016.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-356393322615957762015-09-03T18:51:38.243-05:002015-09-03T18:51:38.243-05:00First off, when it comes to Texas, I don't rul...First off, when it comes to Texas, I don't rule out any sort of mischief - party affiliation notwithstanding. In Texas all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.<br /><br />Second, the first PDF made reference to being, if I'm not mistaken, an electoral college member. That's a totally different issue in my book. Members of the electoral college are <i>supposed</i> to reflect the vote that goes to their candidate. It's the last semblance of democratic reality when it comes to presidential elections and I consider that a matter of vote integrity.<br /><br />Lastly, I don't care for the DNC and their bullshit, either - or even two-party bullshit nonsense generally. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16559980228838021422015-09-03T18:49:12.361-05:002015-09-03T18:49:12.361-05:00"No dissent within party ranks tolerated!&quo..."No dissent within party ranks tolerated!"<br /><br />This is stupid on stilts. More than a dozen candidates with a wide variety of views. Compare and contrast.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60125837118106046202015-09-03T18:41:00.915-05:002015-09-03T18:41:00.915-05:00Here ya go!
Here is an example of one...
http://...Here ya go!<br /><br />Here is an example of one...<br /><br />http://polkdemocrats.org/pdf/2011%20Florida%20Democratic%20Party%20Loyalty%20Oath.pdf<br /><br />Even better, Democrats used them to keep a candidate out of their Texas primary just seven years ago.<br /><br />http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2009/03/kucinich_loses_lawsuit_texas_c.html<br /><br />Read that headline...<br /><br />"Kucinich loses lawsuit: Texas court upholds Democrats' loyalty oath"<br /><br />I'll teach you how to google stuff one day so you don't keep looking foolish.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902260988617421481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80979108989025986492015-09-03T18:35:50.995-05:002015-09-03T18:35:50.995-05:00I know of no such thing. If they exist, show me. A...I know of no such thing. If they exist, show me. And the most popular non-Republican running today is an Independent from Vermont who's known as a "socialist", as if the party of one of our greatest presidents, FDR, should acquiesce to Republican shame over the word. But he does note how ridiculous that is and does what he can to remain an outsider, even if that means not being a lobbying-oriented corporatist shill. So I hardly see the equivalence. <br /><br />But this is all moot anyway. Trump is pretty much a single-issue nativist candidate whose only known positions in politics outside of xenophobia were laudatory of Democrats. Once you scratch the surface and get your TRUMP WALL built, the SCOTUS slamming his denial of the 14th amendment, apparently <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/" rel="nofollow">he'll just want to enact your opposition's policies</a>. Which would only be like the biggest irony, ever. And prove for once and all just how truly stupid, pointless and full-of-it the right-wing in America really is and will always be.<br /><br />I mean, come on. What Republican (other than Trump) actually understands that "stupid" is, properly speaking, an insult, and not a compliment. A party so enamored of ignorance should be skeptical about a guy whose go-to insult is "stupid". Ordinarily they'd call Trump condescending... and mean to speak negatively about their candidates' most cherished of traits. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70309602024303591932015-09-03T18:19:49.676-05:002015-09-03T18:19:49.676-05:00ARM and Ritmo... Democrats have loyalty oaths too....ARM and Ritmo... Democrats have loyalty oaths too. It is not unique to Republicans. Of course, you both knew that. Why let the truth get in the way of taking a shot at Republicans, right?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902260988617421481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24981986940241877032015-09-03T18:19:07.195-05:002015-09-03T18:19:07.195-05:00The "loyalty pledge" has been updated si...The "loyalty pledge" has been updated since its <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichswehreid" rel="nofollow">original forms</a>. The current RNC version is much more "democracy-friendly". You only swear loyalty to the party if you ran as a candidate <i>in it</i>, rather than blindly applying it to all citizens like the Reich had originally intended.<br /><br />It's Reince's Reich now. We just live in it. (Or gladly observe its insanity from outside).Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84014304552074510022015-09-03T18:14:40.138-05:002015-09-03T18:14:40.138-05:00Loyalty tests? Have we entered a new cold war with...<i>Loyalty tests? Have we entered a new cold war without me being told?</i><br /><br />Close. But the RNC is far-right-wing (Welcome, Xenophobes!) and the American people are getting ever more restless and skeptical of the idea that we need to be on 24/7 vigilance footing against an Islamic take-over of America. Instead the RNC is all about figuring out which part of the Middle East to turn into Baltimore next. But the pledge does have a certain "ring" to it. I think they might have gotten their inspiration <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_oath#Text_of_the_oaths" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It goes something like this:<br /><br /><i>"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."</i><br /><br />No dissent within party ranks tolerated!Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8217539023283514802015-09-03T18:09:49.974-05:002015-09-03T18:09:49.974-05:00Wow. That's one hell of a pledge! The RNC need...Wow. That's one hell of a pledge! The RNC needs to change its name to "politburo". No wonder non-rank-and-file Republicans hate their "establishment" so damn much. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92018753054324909132015-09-03T16:13:52.723-05:002015-09-03T16:13:52.723-05:00It's a smart move. It shows that he's not ...It's a smart move. It shows that he's not a saboteur or a shill for Hillary. <br /><br />As he gets closer to the actual voting, Trump will tone down the rhetoric to be seen as "more presidential." Mark my words.Bay Area Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342949066248487677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58661421673936404432015-09-03T16:12:51.713-05:002015-09-03T16:12:51.713-05:00Wonder if Bush will endorse Trump en espanol on Un...Wonder if Bush will endorse Trump en espanol on Univision when Trump wins? cacimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12474731176024102493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22409658574082331312015-09-03T16:10:02.431-05:002015-09-03T16:10:02.431-05:00This means he's serious. Can he win? I've ...This means he's serious. Can he win? I've moved from "no chance" to "it could happen."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.com