tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post525010683749347776..comments2024-03-28T04:08:06.986-05:00Comments on Althouse: "The church eventually stopped talking about heaven..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10569351367683675172013-05-21T11:22:47.947-05:002013-05-21T11:22:47.947-05:00Blair said...
Christ was quite specific about...<i>Blair said...<br /><br /> Christ was quite specific about the requirements into heaven. The belief of him and only through him can you have everlasting life. A simple yet monumental requirement for many.<br /><br /> I'm not sure how that negates what I said. Unless you believe that it's actually your decision and not God's grace that gives you Life.</i><br /><br />It negates it in the fact that Christ requires belief in him, regardless of who you are to get into heaven. You can't be a Hindu and be saved. You can't be a Muslim and be saved. I'm sure you are comfortable in your Orthodoxy and what it teaches with respect to receiving God's Grace. Unless it is through the Blood and Body of Christ, it is only a really nice sentiment.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88586488348804635622013-05-21T11:19:08.962-05:002013-05-21T11:19:08.962-05:00SOJO said...
It's like saying "Oh, t...<i>SOJO said...<br /><br /> It's like saying "Oh, those diabetic toes? They are a blood sink, cut them off." Not just that there might be a problem in the body that needs correction.</i><br /><br />You're an idiot. You are now going to equate diabetes with being poor? Oh wait, you are stupid that's how you can do that.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21715383427070941532013-05-21T11:17:23.632-05:002013-05-21T11:17:23.632-05:00SOJO said...
@Methadras
I'm with phx...<i>SOJO said...<br /><br /> @Methadras<br /><br /> I'm with phx. Your attitude and words are disgusting.<br /><br /> They aren't "the poor" they are human beings, our fellows, for god sake, an imaginary circle around which you have randomly drawn and labelled "the poor" and dismissed from any kind of status as human beings... like other groups have been labelled in the past.<br /><br /> The poor are a money sink? Does your brain you even process the lack of logic in those words?<br /><br /> I'm a recently ex-libertarian of many decades, but it is this attitude so eloquently expressed by Romney with his 43% remarks, that had me voting 3rd party. And Romney wasn't even telling the truth if you look at his actions in MA, but just saying shit to get donors pumping out the bucks.</i><br /><br />It isn't the poor's human-ness that concerns me. It's their collective ability to be a huge drain on the treasure of a country. You squeal and gnash your teeth at me, when you are looking at the wrong place. Blame them. They are the drain, I'm a productive human being, I do not ask for government nor church charity, but yet in your eyes, I'm the horrible person when I call out the multi-millenial call to help the poor and for what?<br /><br />They cling to our pant legs waiting for our crumbs. Asking to be taken care of by either church or government, and you maudlinly screed your little bleeding heart nonsense about how your political ideology dovetails with vapid idea of what you think Romney implied as a function of you becoming an independent. Who gives a fuck. How many trillions has this country spent on the poor and what have they gotten for it? More poor, you stupid fool. Creating a culture of dependency on the backs of those who produce with no end in sight. You are the problem, you can have them, but stop foisting them on the rest of us that don't care to support them anymore on the backs of our hard earned labor.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4276147292150419062013-05-21T10:43:00.763-05:002013-05-21T10:43:00.763-05:00Christ was quite specific about the requirements i...<i>Christ was quite specific about the requirements into heaven. The belief of him and only through him can you have everlasting life. A simple yet monumental requirement for many.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure how that negates what I said. Unless you believe that it's actually your decision and not God's grace that gives you Life.Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865567065778234500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32550085261278172182013-05-21T09:54:15.586-05:002013-05-21T09:54:15.586-05:00Jesus says "the kingdom of heaven is at hand&...<i>Jesus says "the kingdom of heaven is at hand". The eastern mystic says "be here, now". Both implying that heaven is not a place but a frame of reference.</i><br /><br />Right. Or it's an act of perception. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58968154121961100992013-05-21T07:29:18.337-05:002013-05-21T07:29:18.337-05:00Jesus says "the kingdom of heaven is at hand&...Jesus says "the kingdom of heaven is at hand". The eastern mystic says "be here, now". Both implying that heaven is not a place but a frame of reference.ilvuszqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06228542722627044663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51770196131828567022013-05-20T21:04:35.038-05:002013-05-20T21:04:35.038-05:00It's like saying "Oh, those diabetic toes...It's like saying "Oh, those diabetic toes? They are a blood sink, cut them off." Not just that there might be a problem in the body that needs correction.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81005690633555786572013-05-20T20:41:22.853-05:002013-05-20T20:41:22.853-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85269930421713824352013-05-20T20:39:41.743-05:002013-05-20T20:39:41.743-05:00@Methadras
I'm with phx. Your attitude and w...@Methadras <br /><br />I'm with phx. Your attitude and words are disgusting. <br /><br />They aren't "the poor" they are human beings, our fellows, for god sake, an imaginary circle around which you have randomly drawn and labelled "the poor" and dismissed from any kind of status as human beings... like other groups have been labelled in the past.<br /><br />The poor are a money sink? Does your brain you even process the lack of logic in those words?<br /><br />I'm a recently ex-libertarian of many decades, but it is this attitude so eloquently expressed by Romney with his 43% remarks, that had me voting 3rd party. And Romney wasn't even telling the truth if you look at his actions in MA, but just saying shit to get donors pumping out the bucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6365625516708441332013-05-20T20:31:00.825-05:002013-05-20T20:31:00.825-05:00@SOJO wow.@SOJO wow.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82259721835652510412013-05-20T19:48:18.028-05:002013-05-20T19:48:18.028-05:00@sins52
Yeah, some NDEs report hell. This guy bel...@sins52<br /><br />Yeah, some NDEs report hell. This guy below was so moved by his experience that he went from Atheist/Realist to Minister. His description of "heaven" is also more interesting than most.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_GmifF8Fkc<br /><br />I've found NDEs interesting since I was 9 years old. Probably the most interesting recent one was Anita Moorjani who had gone to the hospital in a coma to die w/ 36 hours of stage 4B lymphoma and came back and was cancer free in a month. And still is. (Google or youtube, it's all over the place.) OTOH, she had no "Heaven" experience per se.<br /><br />Death is the front lines. I've only been at one person's bedside as they were dying and it took a lot out of me. I know someone who works in hospice, and she said that what she witnessed countless times (a 'lifting out' at point of death ) confirmed her faith, rather than denied it, that was the only reason she could continue to do it when others couldn't. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47149897540515780712013-05-20T19:17:06.262-05:002013-05-20T19:17:06.262-05:00Evidence, please. Thanks!
Faith.
Prove me wrong....<i>Evidence, please. Thanks!</i><br /><br />Faith.<br /><br />Prove me wrong. Show me <i>your</i> evidence, please.Michael Hazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261384414481528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72001078655347054772013-05-20T18:13:10.772-05:002013-05-20T18:13:10.772-05:00"It is a Marxoid, Liberation Theology inspire..."It is a Marxoid, Liberation Theology inspired term designed to pervert voluntary charity and good works done by individual citizens into a call for Government to collectivize it and make it mandatory by using tax laws to extract a tithe to spend on others."<br /><br />Yes, and the first clause of the first amendment forbids that - establishment of a state religion - and guarantees its antidote - freedom of religion.<br /><br />Leftists are right to hate freedom of religion. It disallows their absolutist impulses.<br /><br />Most of these comments are trivial. Many seem to have been made apart from reading the article through. The article, looked at theology-professionally, is really quite good in the sense of accurate on the numerous matters it covers.<br /><br />The commentators allergic to the article and its subject reject direct, unmediated experience, and assume only empirical, mediated experience is realistic. Typical attitude of the age. Borrrrring.David R. Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416692639208634879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88779537745139257432013-05-20T18:12:12.532-05:002013-05-20T18:12:12.532-05:00phx said...
Now you see who's wagging Rom...<i>phx said...<br /><br /> Now you see who's wagging Romney with his 47% takers bullshit. The sick, the oppressive, the old thinkers, they control the levers of the right these days, and the moderate Republicans damn well know it.<br /><br /> You guys should figure out how to fix this. GOP is so crippled the Dems will have to help them out. </i><br /><br />Romney wasn't wrong, you vacuous scumbag. He was just wrong to voice it to anyone only because he was seeking higher office. I'm not.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32601695014262610272013-05-20T18:11:10.309-05:002013-05-20T18:11:10.309-05:00phx said...
This is nothing new and frankly I...<i>phx said...<br /><br /> This is nothing new and frankly I'm voicing what millions of other Americans think, but simply do not dare to voice because of the fear of being cowed and labeled haters. That transparent bullshit doesn't work on me.<br /><br /> Fabulous. Speak as loud as you want. I hope the other cowards join you.<br /><br /> Repeat, rinse and lather. Your Republican nit problem will be gone by 2016. </i><br /><br />Hmm, seems I hit a little nerve ending here. I haven't seen you this animated in a long long time. The only cowardice here is your idea that cowering to the poor is the only way democrats can win. Throw massive amounts of money their way for the votes so you scumbag cadre and ideology can reign supreme. This is further proof that your ideology sucks giant goat balls. You don't care about this country, you only care that your side acquires power to punish those that make to give to those that don't so the cycle can continue. You would rather this country commit national suicide on the altar of the poor so you can keep on saying, "We will win into infinity..." <br /><br />Your truths by omission speaks volumes here.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88315539768914210332013-05-20T17:44:25.037-05:002013-05-20T17:44:25.037-05:00They'll fix it for you Republicans.They'll fix it for you Republicans.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23967807232685682672013-05-20T17:43:36.023-05:002013-05-20T17:43:36.023-05:00Now you see who's wagging Romney with his 47% ...Now you see who's wagging Romney with his 47% takers bullshit. The sick, the oppressive, the old thinkers, they control the levers of the right these days, and the moderate Republicans damn well know it. <br /><br />You guys should figure out how to fix this. GOP is so crippled the Dems will have to help them out. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73138167386878988222013-05-20T17:32:40.284-05:002013-05-20T17:32:40.284-05:00This is nothing new and frankly I'm voicing wh...<i>This is nothing new and frankly I'm voicing what millions of other Americans think, but simply do not dare to voice because of the fear of being cowed and labeled haters. That transparent bullshit doesn't work on me.</i><br /><br />Fabulous. Speak as loud as you want. I hope the other cowards join you. <br /><br />Repeat, rinse and lather. Your Republican nit problem will be gone by 2016. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77711546858367545132013-05-20T17:30:54.639-05:002013-05-20T17:30:54.639-05:00phx said...
You saw it here on Althouse.
Thi...<i>phx said...<br /><br /> You saw it here on Althouse.</i><br /><br />This isn't the first time I've made this assertion here at Althouse. Maybe this is the first time you are seeing it. However, there are a lot of people that think the way I do about the poor and what a giant money sink they are and have been. The poor delivery almost zero ROI on the amount of trillions in the US we've poured to them. Unless you are a democrat that pilfers the treasure of the productive to redistribute to your perpetual poor that will always put you back into office to lavish them with the little pittances they have made you believe requires little to no effort on your or their parts.<br /><br />This is nothing new and frankly I'm voicing what millions of other Americans think, but simply do not dare to voice because of the fear of being cowed and labeled haters. That transparent bullshit doesn't work on me.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77470099007043949442013-05-20T17:29:45.284-05:002013-05-20T17:29:45.284-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9822596550760893972013-05-20T17:28:31.064-05:002013-05-20T17:28:31.064-05:00phx said...
You saw it here on Althouse.
Thi...<i>phx said...<br /><br /> You saw it here on Althouse.</i><br /><br />This isn't the first time I've made this assertion here at Althouse. Maybe this is the first time you are seeing it. However, there are a lot of people that think the way I do about the poor and what a giant money sink they are and have been. The poor delivery almost zero ROI on the amount of trillions in the US we've poured to them. Unless you are a democrat that pilfers the treasure of the productive to redistribute to your perpetual poor that will always put you back into office to lavish them with the little pittances they have made you believe requires little to no effort on your or their parts.<br /><br />This is nothing new and frankly I'm voicing what millions of other Americans think, but simply do not dare to voice because of the fear of being cowed and labeled haters. That transparent bullshit doesn't work on me.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11412072278588091832013-05-20T17:25:19.260-05:002013-05-20T17:25:19.260-05:00As I recall from the Buddhist perspective someone ...As I recall from the Buddhist perspective someone once asked the great Zen patriarch Dogen Zenji what happens after we die. <br /><br />His answer was "Does not even a skull proclaim the truth?"<br /><br />Maybe someone can correct me on that.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50903448380459381002013-05-20T17:10:31.866-05:002013-05-20T17:10:31.866-05:00I believe in an after-life, but I've been very...I believe in an after-life, but I've been very interested to observe that a lot of faithful Christians don't really care about that. They are satisfied that the joy and comfort that they receive from Christ in this life is enough for them.The Godfatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10575359417766667457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19274548822713770362013-05-20T16:49:58.376-05:002013-05-20T16:49:58.376-05:00Must be a Moby.Must be a Moby.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47424265545071411962013-05-20T16:47:14.092-05:002013-05-20T16:47:14.092-05:00The poor in this world are a big problem. They alw...<i>The poor in this world are a big problem. They always have been. The church has spent untold wealth to try and alleviate that poverty to no avail. They are dragging the church down. They are dragging governments down. The concept of compassion as a function of religious or government largess and redistribution is a failure and no one wants to recognize that because the realization it to catastrophic to understand, so the cycle continues. Head in the sand kind of stuff.<br /><br />I gave up on the poor long ago. The poor as an aggregate has zero desire to no longer be so. They would rather drag the rest of us down with them and they have government backing to boot. The vast majority of nations in this world are poor. This is a device of their own choosing. They poor are culturally stunted. They have very little regard for their places in life and continue to be present in abject poverty.<br /><br />I think it's high time that the church stop promoting the poor to continue being poor.</i><br /><br />You saw it here on Althouse.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.com