tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5178175901265033642..comments2024-03-29T08:05:18.316-05:00Comments on Althouse: Tea bagger pride?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger186125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9399658105859738502010-04-15T15:41:53.250-05:002010-04-15T15:41:53.250-05:00Typical Republican response:
Anyone who says John...Typical Republican response:<br /><br />Anyone who says John McCain isn't conservative, is a Democrat.<br /><br />Anyone who believes RINOs are the downfall of democracy, is a Democrat.<br /><br />Anyone who says he is a conservative, not a Republican, is a Democrat.<br /><br />Anyone who believes they are above criticism is a Democrat. <br /><br />Etc. blahblah.Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491719380160028389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26449920183214145842010-04-15T15:34:50.450-05:002010-04-15T15:34:50.450-05:00Slow Joe, giving a Typical Teabagger response:
An...Slow Joe, giving a Typical Teabagger response:<br /><br />Anyone who criticizes us Teabaggers are Democrats !<br /><br />We aren't crybabies!<br /><br />Waaaaah.Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491719380160028389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19463068647149790652010-04-15T13:18:49.777-05:002010-04-15T13:18:49.777-05:00Peter Hoh--on a thread below there was considerabl...Peter Hoh--on a thread below there was considerable discussion of how federal non-entitlement expenses could be cut. It was in a response to our friend Monty who never checked back in to see the answers to his question. In effect, drastic reductions in Korean and Nato forward stationed troops, eliminations of most regulatory agencies, elimination of HUD, DOE (by Madison Man), DHS, and Transportation. Privitazation of social security--anyway, scroll down and check it out.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31218584006492249282010-04-15T13:18:24.272-05:002010-04-15T13:18:24.272-05:00btw, Republican is an obvious moby. Try harder nex...btw, Republican is an obvious moby. Try harder next time.Doug Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04491954243582780364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55678070964587830922010-04-15T13:17:22.091-05:002010-04-15T13:17:22.091-05:00Can anyone point out to me a speech where Sarah Pa...Can anyone point out to me a speech where Sarah Palin defended private-sector, capitalism? Because I think she's just playing ya'll rubes for $$$.Doug Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04491954243582780364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7530744216760047312010-04-15T12:53:23.496-05:002010-04-15T12:53:23.496-05:00I'm going to out on a limb here and guess &quo...I'm going to out on a limb here and guess "republican" is a democrat and more than a bit of a coward.<br /><br />The strange myth democrats have used for their slurs is repeated over and over.<br /><br />"They are whiners!" "They are puppets of these powerful people!" "I'm pretending they used it first and that makes it ok to slur them with strange sex jargon!"<br /><br />OK, so-called "Republican". You're really doing the left a huge favor. You know, I'm pretty sure most of the bloggers and evil conservatives you're calling whiners have no interest in freaking you out so much (OK, Althouse seems to try to do that to folks sometimes), and they certainly don't complain as much as you.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15590811467601049788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4890467549797318642010-04-15T12:07:22.901-05:002010-04-15T12:07:22.901-05:00<< most Conservatives need to grow a set of ...<< most Conservatives need to grow a set of tea bags and start hitting back twice as hard. (Rhetorically, of course.)>><br /><br />Hell. The ones I'm familiar with, touted as being The Leaders of THE One True Biggest Teaparty--(the people Glenn Reynolds promotes every chance he gets!)--are some of the biggest crybabies around.<br /><br />They spend a lot of their time bickering with and about other conservatives. They admit to monitoring conservative forums and blogs, Twitter, Facebook, et al, looking for dissent from Republicans (or as they say, "RINOs") (Insert irony namecalling alert here)<br /><br />This is how their "grassroots" inexperience shines through most, because they aren't professional in any sense of the word.<br /><br />Even with the continous publicity and support of Reynolds, Breitbart, Roger Simon, and Althouse to a degree--they still come across like fringe lunatics.<br /><br />Ick redux.Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491719380160028389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82889869863780063372010-04-15T11:57:41.580-05:002010-04-15T11:57:41.580-05:00Well, I'd like to thank bagoh20 for actually a...Well, I'd like to thank bagoh20 for actually answering my question about what, exactly, should be cut from the budget. <br /><br />I'd like to believe that it would be politically possible to cut 10 percent from defense and entitlement spending. Maybe an outside movement could push such an agenda successfully, as there's no way I can believe that either the Democrats of Republicans could do this.Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50680475721022425812010-04-15T11:56:00.063-05:002010-04-15T11:56:00.063-05:00Reaction formation is a term used where an insult ...Reaction formation is a term used where an insult is transformed to a non-insult. Much like n*gg*r is used within the african-american community (and ONLY within the african-american community) or f*g is used within the gay community. I've also heard women use b*tch in a non-perjorative sense. <br />Basically, insiders can use the term as a non-insult, not outsiders.<br /><br />As far as the ad goes, thought it made a very crude reference at the end to Pelosi.Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55011768133024139952010-04-15T10:18:21.404-05:002010-04-15T10:18:21.404-05:00Spike Milligan ≠ Spike Lee.Spike Milligan ≠ Spike Lee.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51426125996635141082010-04-15T09:16:13.874-05:002010-04-15T09:16:13.874-05:00reader_iam said...
Everyone contributes from his ...reader_iam said...<br /><br /><i>Everyone contributes from his or her efforts at wealth**-generation, whatever it is and however it is derived, period. Wage, rents, investment income, the whole shooting match. But at a pretty low rate--and, above all, a rate that has some stability, so that people can reasonably plan to take care of themselves and their families, and also to run their businesses in a responsible manner.<br /><br />Under NO circumstances do people who do not pay taxes get a "refund" check from the IRS, as compensation for not paying taxes. That's what the welfare system is for, as, I think, Meade was referring to.</i><br /><br />Just now noticed this. Yes, reader, that is what I was referring to. You said it better than I. Thanks.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12591502523755988822010-04-15T06:57:49.770-05:002010-04-15T06:57:49.770-05:00Ritmo got his ass kicked up one side and down the ...Ritmo got his ass kicked up one side and down the other on this thread. History really does repeat itself!Defenseman Emeritushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05833638763890616037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72398994128775512452010-04-15T04:12:39.627-05:002010-04-15T04:12:39.627-05:00Republican wrote:
"Crybabies who could not e...Republican wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Crybabies who could not even stand up for themselves when a few asses flamed them.</i>"<br /><br />I totally agree. Although my politics trend to the Right, most Conservatives need to grow a set of tea bags and start hitting back twice as hard. (Rhetorically, of course.)The Scythianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838229397619055117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49131048351363831792010-04-15T01:05:08.522-05:002010-04-15T01:05:08.522-05:00"Tea bagger pride?"
YES! When a movemen..."Tea bagger pride?"<br /><br />YES! When a movement, in its infancy, suggested that people send tea bags to Washington DC and their legislators in lieu of joining them in person, I've wondered why they ever objected to the phrase "tea bagger"?<br /><br />Yeah, yeah I know all about that OTHER meaning, but frankly, "tea bagger" just seems to capture something special about a very large group out there that supports the movement...except...well, they don't move so much. BUT, they can send a tea bag on to make their point. It's not money. It's not a vote, but it's the next best thing to it.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61845657990844090202010-04-15T00:23:44.190-05:002010-04-15T00:23:44.190-05:00Joseph Cambell is insanely valuable. We should all...Joseph Cambell is insanely valuable. We should all be knowledgeable of his works. <br /><br />Thanks to you to, Rog. (and, - aww, what the heck - Pogo). Glad it ended up well. 'Night all.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11651336276590037532010-04-15T00:21:18.193-05:002010-04-15T00:21:18.193-05:00And my final thought before going to bed--Ritmo ra...And my final thought before going to bed--Ritmo raises an excellent point about mythology (myth) as a foundation of conservatism--a point worth further discussion at swome later time--the works of Joseph Campbell are always helpful here.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10526284442326467742010-04-15T00:15:48.288-05:002010-04-15T00:15:48.288-05:00ands lets assume that I typed everything correctly...ands lets assume that I typed everything correctly in the foregoing post.<br /><br />Interesting thread and I apreciate the participation of allRoger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49182052540541557152010-04-15T00:14:31.107-05:002010-04-15T00:14:31.107-05:00Ritmo: Pogo's not responsible for my comments,...<i>Ritmo: Pogo's not responsible for my comments, nor for the fact that--generally speaking--you skim, rather than read, comments and the contents therein.</i><br /><br />If more of them were deeper and more original, then I would skim less and read them with the sense of attention that such comments would deserve. I'm talking about content. We know how much Althouse values style. I'm not knocking the style and a sense for it. I already know y'all have <i>that</i>.<br /><br />As far as ownership of comments goes, I do not see where I misattributed one of his comments to you, or vice versa. If I did, then sorry. But I'm not sure where that would have happened.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4294474690927984732010-04-15T00:13:39.733-05:002010-04-15T00:13:39.733-05:00Ritmo--most people have not read much of Hobbes be...Ritmo--most people have not read much of Hobbes beyond leviathan, so you can be forgiven--the point of Hobbes final work is that he abandons his radicalism in the leviathan and come around the importance of traditionalism as emobided in the English common law tradition. Much like Plato, whose radical Republic is replaced by the need for the importance of laws in his later dialogues. These two philosophers specifically emobdy Mr Churchills aphorism about liberalism and conservatism.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32847965384703601392010-04-15T00:10:20.873-05:002010-04-15T00:10:20.873-05:00"those actions have consequences."
Henc...<i>"those actions have consequences."<br /><br />Hence the need for accumulated wisdom, prudence, and tradition as guides.</i><br /><br />As well as empiricism. As well as reason.<br /><br />The problem with tradition comes when it acts in place of <i>mythology</i> - a no less human need, and undoubtedly recognized by conservatives as such.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2410253938070202822010-04-15T00:08:25.355-05:002010-04-15T00:08:25.355-05:00Hey! We agree on something!
Sometimes it takes an...<i>Hey! We agree on something!</i><br /><br />Sometimes it takes an outside party to mediate or negotiate an obvious solution to disagreements that are inherently soluble. Thanks goes to Roger for deftly facilitating a rearrangement of the terms of debate.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14409714646286062702010-04-15T00:07:16.192-05:002010-04-15T00:07:16.192-05:00And the issue for poltics is defining, and acting ...And the issue for poltics is defining, and acting on those perceptions--varying perceptions aside, the oltical authorities act on the perceptions as they see them--and therein is the conflict between ruler and ruled.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36830163365350509982010-04-15T00:06:39.183-05:002010-04-15T00:06:39.183-05:00"those actions have consequences."
Henc...<i>"those actions have consequences.</i>"<br /><br />Hence the need for accumulated wisdom, prudence, and tradition as guides.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11969876242327977982010-04-15T00:06:25.293-05:002010-04-15T00:06:25.293-05:00Ritmo: Pogo's not responsible for my comments,...Ritmo: Pogo's not responsible for my comments, nor for the fact that--generally speaking--you skim, rather than read, comments and the contents therein.<br /><br />wv: doomereader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68779717392314776422010-04-15T00:05:37.895-05:002010-04-15T00:05:37.895-05:00Roger, thanks for referencing Plato - whose allego...Roger, thanks for referencing Plato - whose allegory I'm more familiar with than I am of every piece by Hobbes not intrinsic to Leviathan. But I'm as much a fan of the consummate empiricist Aristotle. <br /><br />When we move from addressing ideas to addressing the consequences of actions, I'm just not seeing as much empiricism when it comes to policy debates as I would like. I think this is because an appeal to mythology and nationalism (nationalism, after all, incorporates a heavy dose of mythology into it) seems to trump empirical consideration when it comes to those debates. And I find it disillusioning and dispiriting and a misappropriation of American ideals. The founders were not opposed to reason or empiricism.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.com