tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5118896152369944870..comments2024-03-28T18:28:52.888-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Because of a recent copyright dispute, Bulgarian National Radio, the public broadcaster for the country, has been limited to airing music recorded before 1946."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67855001318157981112017-02-21T15:12:21.611-06:002017-02-21T15:12:21.611-06:00There's the old joke: Each generation thinks ...There's the old joke: Each generation thinks the music of the following generation is worse than theirs. So far, they have been correct.grimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11124061125268651806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27879915405421886692017-02-21T14:27:40.976-06:002017-02-21T14:27:40.976-06:00Big band, Gershwin, jazz and the standards. We hav...Big band, Gershwin, jazz and the standards. We have a lush music history.<br />.OregonGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08096619871119860938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87468704005349135822017-02-21T14:00:20.007-06:002017-02-21T14:00:20.007-06:00Why? I have three versions of the Goldberg variati...Why? I have three versions of the Goldberg variations, and multiple versions of many other classical works. Each performance is unique, and different performances can reveal many different facets of the music. (The quality of the music itself is a factor in this, of course, but even pop pieces have been covered multiple times with the different covers selling well.)<br /><br />The "Big Box" series of digital music does something like this. It's not public domain, but it <i>is</i> ten or fifteen hours of classical music for $3, in performances ranging from good to excellent.jaedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328666344764784829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39505347246932478942017-02-21T13:51:34.268-06:002017-02-21T13:51:34.268-06:00"If a philanthropist felt like it, he could p..."If a philanthropist felt like it, he could probably set up a foundation that would pay musicians to make high quality modern recordings of almost every piece of classical music and release them into the public domain. "<br /><br />That may put a lot of musicians who DO have recording contracts and are in orchestras out of work. And ruin the market for professional musicians in these genres forever, possibly. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78618144304557181522017-02-21T13:36:46.337-06:002017-02-21T13:36:46.337-06:00If a philanthropist felt like it, he could probabl...If a philanthropist felt like it, he could probably set up a foundation that would pay musicians to make high quality modern recordings of almost every piece of classical music and release them into the public domain. The sheet music is out of copyright, and we have a surplus of talented and competent highly-trained classical musicians, most of whom <i>do not</i> have recording contracts or play in orchestras, etc., or do anything to monetize their skill. Some soloists might even be willing to do it for free just to get their name out there. I would donate to something like that.<br /><br />Maybe it already exists? Anyone know of such a project?Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1523541053204948252017-02-21T13:23:34.728-06:002017-02-21T13:23:34.728-06:00Is the patent and copyright clause for the exclusi...Is the patent and copyright clause for the exclusive benefit of authors/inventors, etc.? Or is it to promote progress? To promote progress generally, or progress by that one author/inventor? An overly-long monopoly stifles progress and invention, it does not promote it, and thus is counter to the constitutional clause.<br /><br />Fair compensation for authors and inventors, yes. Allowing them to become extortionists, no.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33806180314881059192017-02-21T13:23:01.486-06:002017-02-21T13:23:01.486-06:00We no longer have a copyright system, really. We h...<i>We no longer have a copyright system, really. We have a copyspite system, where holders cut off their noses to spite their faces.</i><br /><br />One of my favorite TV shows was <i>Northern Exposure</i>. The reason why it's never been seen anywhere since it's demise is because they had copyrighted music sprinkled throughout the typical episode. The producers say they couldn't possibly afford all the royalties they'd have to pay if the show were put into syndication. SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45648881734071343552017-02-21T13:17:36.265-06:002017-02-21T13:17:36.265-06:00As long as Coke wants to use the name and other re...<i>As long as Coke wants to use the name and other related IP, I don't have any problem with them doing it forever under trademark.<br /><br />When Coke goes out of business or stops using it, the trademark should be become public domain.</i><br /><br />So, did you go and pay a royalty for use of that company's copyright/trademark in your usage here? Of course not. It would be absurd. But that really is the logic of these extreme IP laws and claims. Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7775139202517116162017-02-21T13:11:26.232-06:002017-02-21T13:11:26.232-06:00he could not include them in his novel without the...<i>he could not include them in his novel without the consent of the artist's estate or the publisher.</i><br /><br />What a great system that results in lose-lose outcomes. Now the copyright holder gets nothing - not even a mention of the work's existence, as if it never existed. Self-destructive greed.<br /><br />We no longer have a copyright system, really. We have a copyspite system, where holders cut off their noses to spite their faces.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12533985414231659652017-02-21T13:06:20.444-06:002017-02-21T13:06:20.444-06:00I think the magic number for us this year is 1942....I think the magic number for us this year is 1942. I have a number of pre-1942 recordings. Though I wouldn't part with them for anything, the sound quality is generally terrible. I wonder, does the public domain countdown start again on a re-mastered recording?SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34037389406441396072017-02-21T12:49:13.573-06:002017-02-21T12:49:13.573-06:00That's obviously in violation of the Constitut...That's obviously in violation of the Constitution, no matter what the current SCOTUS says.<br /><br />Why, RCOcean?<br /><br />The Constitution says a limited time. Doesn't say a short limited time. 1,000 years is a limited time. I'd still allow renewal, though. <br /><br />John HenryJohn henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529920006532904660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57586314605908200442017-02-21T12:47:18.293-06:002017-02-21T12:47:18.293-06:00Wilbur,
Maybe we should swap playlists?
I have ...Wilbur,<br /><br />Maybe we should swap playlists? <br /><br />I have Bob Wills, Hoagy Carmichael, Louis Armstrong, Andrews Sisters, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Louis Prima, Anita O'Day and others from that era on mine. <br /><br />Fooey on post-1960 music. For the most part. Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Ray Benson and AATW and some others are pretty good. But they mostly do pre-1960 style music.<br /><br />John HenryJohn henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529920006532904660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41488448951166332232017-02-21T12:43:44.683-06:002017-02-21T12:43:44.683-06:00I don't have a problem with copyright and espe...I don't have a problem with copyright and especially trademark going on forever. <br /><br />Provided that they are used and positively maintained. For example, a 20 year initial registration of copyright with 20 year renewals available for some kind of nominal fee. <br /><br />The big problem I see with copyright is not that it goes on forever. It is that it is automatic. Lots of good books and other stuff that should be in print but nobody knows who owns it to get the permissions. Orphan works they are called. <br /><br />As long as Coke wants to use the name and other related IP, I don't have any problem with them doing it forever under trademark. <br /><br />When Coke goes out of business or stops using it, the trademark should be become public domain. <br /><br />John HenryJohn henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529920006532904660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71170547047617614112017-02-21T12:31:36.681-06:002017-02-21T12:31:36.681-06:00I own Franck Pourcel CDs, so I may not be the pers...I own Franck Pourcel CDs, so I may not be the person to ask.<br /><br />(Enjoy older music? Want to freak out hipsters? Stream KNCT, a public radio station with the "beautiful music" format.) southcentralpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394514417579609775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39233224917264576352017-02-21T12:11:51.004-06:002017-02-21T12:11:51.004-06:00A Spanish copla that probably would please Laslo. ...A Spanish copla that probably would please Laslo. <br /><br />Vaselina<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt2IRPxJerEbuwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53135094195700624002017-02-21T12:09:31.910-06:002017-02-21T12:09:31.910-06:00"undocumented Hispanic Muslim transgender und..."undocumented Hispanic Muslim transgender underage prostitute?"<br /><br />Leave out "Muslim" and "transgender" and there is an awful lot pre-1920 that covers that situation. <br /><br />Check out the genre of the Spanish copla or cuple. There are lots of others. There was plenty of popular music that came out of the 19th-20th century demimonde, not just jazz. <br /><br />Muslim is a separate matter, but it does exist, though perhaps not quite so specifically. <br /><br />"transgender" is a genuine modernism though. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388691837737324814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6385581726183180922017-02-21T11:53:41.239-06:002017-02-21T11:53:41.239-06:00"The earliest that copyright protection will ..."The earliest that copyright protection will expire for any Sound Recording in the USA is 2067."<br /><br />That's obviously in violation of the Constitution, no matter what the current SCOTUS says. Of course, all you need to do is bribe enough congressmen and they can get it extended till the year 3000. rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24213006575671695202017-02-21T11:51:28.419-06:002017-02-21T11:51:28.419-06:00"Popular music loses its appeal after a certa..."Popular music loses its appeal after a certain age."<br /><br />Your taste in Popular Musial seems to be imprinted in your teenage years. The stuff you listened to between ages 10-18 seems to be "normal" and everything else is either Boring old people stuff (music before then) or raucous noise that only young people listen to (music after that).<br /><br />Or maybe that just describes the boomers. rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14117978078815087902017-02-21T11:50:08.044-06:002017-02-21T11:50:08.044-06:00"music has been in decline since the death of..."music has been in decline since the death of François Couperin le grand: 1733" A bit early -- the B minor Mass wasn't quite complete, Goldberg Variations, WTC II, Musical Offering, and Art of Fugue yet to come -- but close enough. A few upward bumps since then, but not many after 1946.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00505631054204611033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86208709791845335612017-02-21T11:46:23.377-06:002017-02-21T11:46:23.377-06:00Bulgaria is ahead of the U.S. The Copyright Act o...Bulgaria is ahead of the U.S. The Copyright Act of 1976 created a copyright category called Sound Recordings that now provides federal copyright protection for CD's, MP3's, WAV files, records, and other music recordings made after February 15, 1972. These Sound Recordings receive copyright protection for 70 years after the death of the last surviving author. But the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act left copyright protection for sound recordings fixed or published before February 15, 1972, remaining under state law until 2067.<br /><br />The earliest that copyright protection will expire for any Sound Recording in the USA is 2067. http://www.pdinfo.com/copyright-law/public-domain-sound-recordings.php<br />hshimminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877644825008455279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29173323703496661442017-02-21T11:46:10.327-06:002017-02-21T11:46:10.327-06:00John Pizzarelli's excellent show Radio Deluxe ...John Pizzarelli's excellent show Radio Deluxe will occasionally limit itself to recordings 1945 and earlier. This is certainly no hardship. tcrossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13861315905142017219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71327703201025355022017-02-21T11:08:21.622-06:002017-02-21T11:08:21.622-06:00Pop music, like Hollywood movies, seems to be gett...Pop music, like Hollywood movies, seems to be getting ever more formulaic. I wonder if the money guys and the quants who work for them, have reduced it to such a predictable thing, derivative of "what's worked before" that they are destroying their own market. Or is it just that the artists themselves are products of narrowing experience (no training in or exposure to classical, big band, old weird America)?robotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158315485808195005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46244607787000299442017-02-21T11:05:21.975-06:002017-02-21T11:05:21.975-06:00My Pandora account has four pop stations: Helen F...My Pandora account has four pop stations: Helen Forrest Radio, Jo Stafford Radio, Joni James Radio, and Karen Carpenter Radio. The first one has a substantial number of artists from before my birth, e.g. Marlene Dietrich. The more contemporary stations feature a considerable amount of music you can't hear in Bulgaria, but I could live without it, if only because I would still have the Big Bands, Ella, and Frank.JimT Utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08735247048130490432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63667916669556418722017-02-21T10:56:10.381-06:002017-02-21T10:56:10.381-06:00When I was a senior in high school, I had a car wi...When I was a senior in high school, I had a car with only an AM radio, and the only radio station that played music was the Big Band station. Good stuff. Now, I suppose, I'd have to be developing a taste for mariachi music.Jane the Actuaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899849681883954262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79687930347248977412017-02-21T10:44:47.890-06:002017-02-21T10:44:47.890-06:0090% of the music I listen to in the car is pre-194...90% of the music I listen to in the car is pre-1946: Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, the Mills Brothers, Bessie Smith, etc. But I don't put down today's music.Wilburhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17648146528637449534noreply@blogger.com