tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4978283533544549538..comments2024-03-28T03:13:37.212-05:00Comments on Althouse: Paying drug-addicted women $300 to get themselves sterilized.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59537291541793792242013-03-29T08:16:57.425-05:002013-03-29T08:16:57.425-05:00Addiction is a complex illness that must be treate...Addiction is a complex illness that must be treated as such.There are no absolutes in the world of substance abuse recovery. What each individual addict needs is dependent upon their history of addiction.<a href="http://www.addictioninterventionnow.com/" rel="nofollow">Addiction Intervention</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07889355164661006089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80716075173346439162012-08-24T16:24:49.266-05:002012-08-24T16:24:49.266-05:00Thanks for the post. Clarity Sober Living for Wom...Thanks for the post. <a href="http://www.claritysoberliving.com" rel="nofollow"> Clarity Sober Living for Women </a>Billy Oceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05922810100159376079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3143342312491721242012-05-17T23:18:14.391-05:002012-05-17T23:18:14.391-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201719778885755386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15636014909456909052012-05-12T00:47:11.686-05:002012-05-12T00:47:11.686-05:00Just think; Diane Hendricks could have sterilized ...Just think; Diane Hendricks could have sterilized 1,700 women!jimspicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16316014985662331998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24375485085562637502012-05-12T00:43:12.422-05:002012-05-12T00:43:12.422-05:00Must not be many Catholics around these here parts...Must not be many Catholics around these here parts.jimspicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16316014985662331998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52340464646003738652012-05-11T15:37:10.384-05:002012-05-11T15:37:10.384-05:00Sterilization is worse. Unless it's done freel...Sterilization is worse. Unless it's done freely, w/o coercion or inducement.ndspinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446291993043775612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86319250386948114492012-05-11T15:01:52.037-05:002012-05-11T15:01:52.037-05:00This program isn't about eugenics, about remov...This program isn't about eugenics, about removing certain "genes" from the population.<br /><br />This program is about stopping harmful behavior NOW, about stopping crack babies.<br /><br />Also, if addicts are badly placed to make life-altering decisions for sterilization, they are terribly placed to make life-creating decisions for babies. Which is worse: sterilization, or crack babies?RC3https://www.blogger.com/profile/02677156568045306085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46466519005028608362012-05-11T14:50:18.009-05:002012-05-11T14:50:18.009-05:00Whenever someone talks about "letting" p...Whenever someone talks about "letting" people have children I've already heard all I need to know. <br /><br />You can't "let" someone do something without first assuming that you have some authority to stop them from doing it.Bryan Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10387816413528886340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14664281794210738232012-05-11T14:44:07.257-05:002012-05-11T14:44:07.257-05:00And, since sterilization is just fine w/ progressi...And, since sterilization is just fine w/ progressives I now see why our prez and Secretary of State hung the Chinese dissident, Chen, out to dry.ndspinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446291993043775612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23109637797760309062012-05-11T14:27:56.329-05:002012-05-11T14:27:56.329-05:00If a drug addicted mother is capable of deciding t...If a drug addicted mother is capable of deciding to abort or carry her baby to term while she is addicted, she is most certainly capable of deciding not to get pregnant in the first place. <br />The idea of coersion is very flexible here. It’s NOT coersion to offer feee abortions. It’s NOT coersion to pay for drug addicted babies to be born and supported for their whole lives? But it IS coersion to pay for long term birth control or voluntary sterilization? Turn it around. Is it OK for a person who pays their own bills to choose to get sterilizd? Is it OK for a person who pays her own bills to choose to have an abortion? Is it OK for a baby to be paid for and supported by their own parent? What’s the difference? Socialism is the difference. Socialized government for a number of reasons, none having anything to do with personal freedom or accountability, got involved in what should be personal and family decisions. Now government is deciding what decisions it’s dependents can make. What’s the rational? I don’t think it’s out of line to suspect the reasons have little if anything to do with personal freedoms or with compassion, and have everything to do with consolidation of power.wyo sishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985513448269574373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68544021434793443512012-05-11T14:21:55.732-05:002012-05-11T14:21:55.732-05:00So we all agree, $100 to sterilize Mullet Moms. Ho...So we all agree, $100 to sterilize Mullet Moms. How about asshole mothers..$350? And I know we can all agree retarded moms for $50 worth of candy. Moms in prison, a carton of cigs..don't you think? With some of these so called progressive commenters I'm saying WTF!!!ndspinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446291993043775612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55185671086478366062012-05-11T14:00:28.310-05:002012-05-11T14:00:28.310-05:00Great idea, libs should love it because it empower...Great idea, libs should love it because it empowers the woman to take control of her own body. Choice, don't ya know? It should make conservatives happy because it eliminates the murder of babies,& since these women vote dem. [if they bother to vote at all] the Democrat party will eventually 'sterilize themselves out of existence.granmaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840427665410046792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54109700879918868062012-05-11T13:31:24.730-05:002012-05-11T13:31:24.730-05:00it sounds like a perfect test for fitness to be a ...it sounds like a perfect test for fitness to be a mother. someone who would agree to be sterilized for $300 is not someone who would be a fit mother. the program also offers $300 to the women if they'll take free long-term birth control, so it doesn't sound too coercive. it would be much creepier if the government did it, but that's not the case here.Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12133279828547003387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50340086997003785602012-05-11T12:51:15.341-05:002012-05-11T12:51:15.341-05:00For the people crying racism, the woman who runs t...For the people crying racism, the woman who runs this program is married to a black man, and has been a foster parent to black children (whose mother(s) were addicts).<br />Stop seeing eugenics where there isn't any. She saw a problem, and is offering a non-coercive solution.<br />And given the number of pregnancies that these women have already had, its probable that addicts aren't willing to get sterilized on a whim.<br />If you read further, you'll see that some men have been sterilized through this program as well.Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39841595762579332312012-05-11T12:38:55.051-05:002012-05-11T12:38:55.051-05:00I don't at all dispute that addicts having bab...I don't at all dispute that addicts having babies often begets terrible suffering. <br /><br />I have some personal experience in this area, as one of my children is adopted and his birth mother is an HIV-positive, drug addicted occasional prostitute.<br /><br />However, the bottom line of what's happening here is that one group of people is declaring another group undesirable, and that the undesirables should A. be kept from breeding, and B. are only able to be motivated to that end by the basest and most craven of inducements, money for their next fix.<br /><br />I just simply can't get behind that view of humanity. That certain others can't be treated with dignity, that they have to be bribed the way you put a dog's pills in a glob of peanut butter.I Have Misplaced My Pantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16170206151454145154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25561790160220998902012-05-11T12:16:19.682-05:002012-05-11T12:16:19.682-05:00Thanks Mary Beth, I didn't click through to th...Thanks Mary Beth, I didn't click through to the article.<br /><br />Still, these women aren't being denied the chance to have children. They can't take care of the children they have as evidenced by the number of children in the foster care system.<br /><br />These choices being offered these women seem viable.kimschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742219426291395677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24496156860454583952012-05-11T12:10:06.874-05:002012-05-11T12:10:06.874-05:00Mary Beth,
Thanks for pointing that out. Not only...Mary Beth,<br /> Thanks for pointing that out. Not only is the birth control offered free, they're being payed to get it. This is a terrific idea. A far cry from simply demanding they miraculously become responsible adults and pay for their own birth control. <br /><br />The article breaks down what happened to the children that these pregnancies produced or didn't produce because they were aborted.<br /><br />A far more realistic solution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16426404634334152392012-05-11T12:02:53.451-05:002012-05-11T12:02:53.451-05:00That's an average of six times each. Of course...<i>That's an average of six times each. Of course, we don't know how many were brought to term. Those that weren't however had their entire futures taken from them.</i><br /><br />The next paragraph tells how many survived past birth - "Thirty were either aborted, stillborn or died after being born," she said. "Seventy-eight are in foster care."Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754684233296448192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64368519205260801772012-05-11T12:00:32.599-05:002012-05-11T12:00:32.599-05:00From the article, "The North Carolina-based p...From the article, "The North Carolina-based program pays women $300 to get tubal ligations (permanent sterilization) or an IUD, Implanon or Depro-Provera shot (all forms of long-term birth control)."<br /><br />It's not just permanent sterilization.Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754684233296448192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7219951768025037442012-05-11T12:00:26.281-05:002012-05-11T12:00:26.281-05:00“We don’t allow dogs to breed. We neuter them. We ...“We don’t allow dogs to breed. We neuter them. We try to keep them from having unwanted puppies, and yet these women are literally having litters of children,” <a href="http://www.thefix.com/content/project-prevention-barbara-harris-sterilize-addicts8510?page=all" rel="nofollow">Barbara Harris says.</a>Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02218298335571816099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12715719877790034422012-05-11T11:47:55.456-05:002012-05-11T11:47:55.456-05:00Dangling $300 over the head of an addict to disabl...<i>Dangling $300 over the head of an addict to disable a working part of her body?</i><br /><br />Did you see this part of Ann's post?<br /><br /><b><i>Harris said that the last 20 women she paid to get sterilized had been pregnant a total of 121 times.</i></b><br /><br />That's an average of six times each. Of course, we don't know how many were brought to term. Those that weren't however had their entire futures taken from them.<br /><br />We can't protect everyone from the bad decisions that they make. Bad decisions are made every day by all sorts of people. Some have light consequences and some are quite heavy. Some you can learn a lesson from and avoid making similar bad decisions in the future. Some you're stuck with.<br /><br />There are risks in everything we do and we have to weigh the risks against the benefits.kimschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742219426291395677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54050905799439861562012-05-11T11:33:17.525-05:002012-05-11T11:33:17.525-05:00It simply comes down to this, you are either perso...It simply comes down to this, you are either personally responsible for your life, or you are not. If you are not, move in with the people who ARE responsible for your life, give up all your rights as an adult because you aren't one. Someone else will cook for you, cloth you, bath you, and keep you warm. And you better not bitch one time about your treatment.<br /><br />If you are, you don't need my advice, but if you need my help, just ask.Carnifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561390087899686588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76289966986477763972012-05-11T11:28:21.072-05:002012-05-11T11:28:21.072-05:00The ethical issue is competence. Someone who is i...The ethical issue is competence. Someone who is intoxicated has questionable competence. It is not an arms-length transaction when one of the parties is intoxicated. That being said, it sounds like a good idea. But I am suspicious of ideas that sound good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10854137162146125813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8174681333452471482012-05-11T11:25:17.621-05:002012-05-11T11:25:17.621-05:00@phx
I'm not trying to be smart, because Lord...@phx<br /><br />I'm not trying to be smart, because Lord knows I'm not, but I don't see your point.Carnifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561390087899686588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19420318835082510822012-05-11T11:23:15.043-05:002012-05-11T11:23:15.043-05:00We could always grind the babies up and sell them ...We could always grind the babies up and sell them in pill form to China. That's a win/win too.Carnifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561390087899686588noreply@blogger.com