tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4935521399808164617..comments2024-03-28T03:13:37.212-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Ann Althouse Defends Scott Turow's Honor."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48868662802209786802007-02-23T03:54:00.000-06:002007-02-23T03:54:00.000-06:00The main reason Hillary and Jackie aren't called "...The main reason Hillary and Jackie aren't called "Clinton" and "Kennedy" is that there are already much more famous and important people referred to by those names -- specifically, their husbands.<BR/><BR/>California's got two female senators, and neither is typically referred to by her first name -- because there isn't a higher-profile "Boxer" or "Feinstein" in state politics.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74364352317124112702007-02-22T19:05:00.000-06:002007-02-22T19:05:00.000-06:00Victoria:"I've often mused how female celebrities ...Victoria:<BR/>"<I>I've often mused how female celebrities and politicians are often referred to by their first names, whereas that is not the case with males, at times. When I say: Hillary. Monica. Jackie. Maggie. People pretty much know who I mean.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Because there are fewer people in the public eye with those names. Males with distinctive names have those names used - Rudy, Newt, etc. (especially if their last name's non-standard). But one one not hear people speaking of "John" or "Stephen" to denote a male in authority (outside of "V", that is).Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84035944936256200522007-02-22T18:30:00.000-06:002007-02-22T18:30:00.000-06:00I don't know Ann, so I feel uncomfortable calling ...<EM>I don't know Ann, so I feel uncomfortable calling her that or any deliberately diminutive form thereof. I blame my parents for never presuming such familiarity.</EM><BR/><BR/>Understood, Pogo.<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for Ann, because my ventriloquist dummy is at the cleaners, but all I can say is that your reasons are completely understandable.<BR/><BR/>I've often mused how female celebrities and politicians are often referred to by their first names, whereas that is not the case with males, at times.<BR/><BR/>When I say:<BR/><BR/>Hillary. Monica. Jackie. Maggie.<BR/><BR/>People pretty much know who I mean.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoriavbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62124834393764803612007-02-22T07:02:00.000-06:002007-02-22T07:02:00.000-06:00Re: "this custom of referring to Ann Althouse by h...Re: <I>"this custom of referring to Ann Althouse by her surname"</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I agree, even though I did it. The problem is, there's no way for a guy to win on this one.<BR/><BR/>I don't know Ann, so I feel uncomfortable calling her that or any deliberately diminutive form thereof. I blame my parents for never presuming such familiarity.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, I am of the feminist cultural upbringing that constantly carped about things like men being called by their surnames or <I>Mr.</I> Surname but women being addressed by their first names, like a child. <BR/><BR/>In the US, servants were commononly addressed by first name, and their bosses by surname (slaves, too, were first-name-only, or perhaps <I>Miss Ann</I>, so I've got that error to avoid, too).<BR/><BR/>Can I say <I>Ms.</I>? No. I'm a white male, and the risk is that someone will connote the <I>wrong meaning</I>, something political. Dare I attempt <I>Mrs.</I> or <I>Miss</I>? Ha! Wrong again. <BR/><BR/>Finally, she had written herself that she preferred "Ann" or "Althouse" over other forms.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh. Too much work. Trying desperately not to offend, I offend. But really, there is no way for me to be correct here, so the best option is to forego referrring to She Who Must Not Be Named, until she comes up with a Prince-like symbol I can use!<BR/><BR/>**insert pointless and unrewarding existential scream here**KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75756770056084331732007-02-22T04:25:00.000-06:002007-02-22T04:25:00.000-06:00Hmm. I don't like this custom of referring to Ann ...<I>Hmm. I don't like this custom of referring to Ann Althouse by her surname, masculine-style, although I know she does it for herself.</I><BR/><BR/>I completely agree. The only time I've failed to crack an Agatha Christie was 'Why Didn't They Ask Evans?' because I forgot that female servants of that day were referred to by their surnames. Evans was the maid. <B>She</B> had the vital clue.PeterPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02813526431296196022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18053122257506209062007-02-22T02:36:00.000-06:002007-02-22T02:36:00.000-06:00AJD: how's your scrotum these days?AJD: how's your scrotum these days?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835164854514314231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84025113462676693222007-02-22T02:25:00.000-06:002007-02-22T02:25:00.000-06:00"None of the above"You mean atheists? (Wait for it..."None of the above"<BR/><BR/>You mean atheists? (Wait for it, it's funny.)Mortimer Breznyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964027337144379262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52771703151766377382007-02-21T20:46:00.000-06:002007-02-21T20:46:00.000-06:00"Democrats are bad" gets you partway there.Now if ...<I>"Democrats are bad" gets you partway there.</I><BR/><BR/>Now if only there was some sort of term for people "partway" from being a liberal to being a conservative...<BR/><BR/>I know oodles of people who think Republicans are bad who *certainly* aren't liberals. I'm usually one of them, actually. Obviously kneejerk Democratic partisans will equate "Democrats are bad" with "OMFG she is teh conservative" but most people are bright enough to know that's not the case. The largest political party in America is "none of the above", after all.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56568454479537507182007-02-21T20:12:00.000-06:002007-02-21T20:12:00.000-06:00NCD wrote:I mean, a little back and forth argument...NCD wrote:<BR/><BR/><EM>I mean, a little back and forth argument is always fun and educational, and I love to mixed it up with peoples whose opinions are different than my own, but I don't know why the people with personal venom show up.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's why we all love Althouse, because you won't always get the party conga line here.<BR/><BR/>The range of opinions here is truly wonderful.<BR/><BR/>But as for your more existential question about what kind of a malcontent person would consistently post to a blog with acid drop remarks in EVERY post...<BR/><BR/>...well, I gave deciphering why a shot <A HREF="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/02/when-blogger-goes-to-work-for.html#6008764049963062947" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/><EM><BR/>I've always wondered what kind of person would do this on a blog, day in, and day out.<BR/><BR/>Think about it.<BR/><BR/>Their sole purpose is to make everyone else's life miserable, or at least try to, by constantly and without an iota of lampooning irony, making fun, deriding, and degrading not only a given subject, but the author of the blog, and its readership.<BR/><BR/>Oh, one understands the potshot drive-bys of commenters who go to blogs to vent. We've all done that.<BR/><BR/>In fact, that's what blogs are for -- a frank, unfettered exchange of opinions by people who might probably never meet, but for the ethernet.<BR/><BR/>But we're talking of people who lodge themselves in a blog, by dancing bitter attendance daily on it.<BR/><BR/>Just think of the energy they have.<BR/><BR/>Just think of the vitriol they swish inside their souls.<BR/><BR/>Just think of the amounts of animus they wish to stir up, as their sole contribution.<BR/><BR/>They come here not as honourable and loyal opposition, but just to crap-stir.<BR/><BR/>What kind of a person slings this corrosive persona unto him or herself for any length of time, and why?<BR/><BR/>I think the answer begins with "poor excuse for a human being" and ends with "no life losers", but I could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>Maybe they're just lonely.</EM><BR/><BR/>Three weeks later, and nothing has changed to make me alter my suggestion.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoriavbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7033779396024386952007-02-21T20:05:00.000-06:002007-02-21T20:05:00.000-06:00Of course, Althouse, of that I am unfortunately aw...<EM>Of course, Althouse, of that I am unfortunately aware.</EM><BR/><BR/>Hmm. I don't like this custom of referring to Ann Althouse by her surname, masculine-style, although I know she does it for herself.<BR/><BR/>The traditionalist in me bristles.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm reminded of my Girl Guide den mother, who was rather butch and called all her charges by their family names.<BR/><BR/>The things I went through to get my cookery badge.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoriavbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23222555773401875682007-02-21T19:53:00.000-06:002007-02-21T19:53:00.000-06:00Revenant said... Simon: If Annie is moderate, God ...<I>Revenant said... <BR/>Simon: If Annie is moderate, God save us from the conservatives!<BR/><BR/>Because she has so many conservative beliefs. Like.... um... wait, and there's... no... um...<BR/><BR/>What were they, again?<BR/><BR/>7:31 PM </I><BR/><BR/>"Democrats are bad" gets you partway there.The Exaltedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030346881185443267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68918678274979387262007-02-21T19:31:00.000-06:002007-02-21T19:31:00.000-06:00Simon: If Annie is moderate, God save us from the ...<I>Simon: If Annie is moderate, God save us from the conservatives!</I><BR/><BR/>Because she has so many conservative beliefs. Like.... um... wait, and there's... no... um...<BR/><BR/>What were they, again?Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39880661244194559782007-02-21T18:39:00.000-06:002007-02-21T18:39:00.000-06:00Pogo said..."But really I do wonder about idjits l...Pogo said..."But really I do wonder about idjits like mmmbeer, who must have a google feed set on "Althouse Awareness", a hyperalert state apparently reserved for former law students, where he is compelled to blogophorically relieve himself on every internet lawn that mentions your name."<BR/><BR/>Or, mmmbeer could just be one of the thousands of lawyers that read Above the Law, and since Ann was one of his former professors, he (I'll assume mmmbeer is a he for this discussion) thought it worth making a comment.<BR/><BR/>The response to mmmbeer's little comment is interesting. All he did was state that he didn't enjoy having Ann as a professor, and that her teaching method didn't work for him and didn't match her stated goals for teaching, at least in his case. No profanity, no gratuitous insults, just some criticism about Ann's teaching methods, based on his experience. Ann then feels a need to make a response, Pogo witlessly describes this person as an "idjit", and Pogo and others line up to see who can suck up to Ann more.<BR/><BR/>Lessons for the day: Ann is thin-skinned, many of her commenters are sycophants, and Pogo is in the habit of assuming that everyone is as obsessed with Ann as he is. Fascinating.somefellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013403004665789644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49966270855253383422007-02-21T16:25:00.000-06:002007-02-21T16:25:00.000-06:00Pogo - I "suggest[]" you don't try it. LOL. Useful...Pogo - I "suggest[]" you don't try it. LOL. Useful as a metaphor, but not very tasty. ;)<BR/><BR/>Ronin, I'm blushing here. ;) <BR/><BR/>Well, I really do think of myself as a moderate; I'm happy to accept the label conservative, and I'll use it myself, but in fact, the topics that I tend to comment about, y'know, the stuff that really starts arguments, tends to be that which I have the strongest opinion on, which tends to be stuff where I'm less moderate. The people who think Scalia's a right wing extremist are probably going to see me the same way, but OTOH, if you put me in a room with the guys from Powerline, or RedState, somewhere like that, I'd feel like the token liberal in the room by comparison, albeit not quite to the extent of Ann in Chicago. <BR/><BR/>The only subjects on which I would very much identify as <I>immoderate</I> are the Constitution and abortion, but I don't accept those are partisan issues (as explained in comments <I>passim ad nauseum</I>), and even there, I don't feel I'm so extreme as to be unreasonable. I'm not a strict constructionist.<BR/><BR/>At very least, I'm not a social conservative, I'm not a hardcore libertarian, and I'm not a pure Burkeian/Oakeshottian traditionalist, I'm sympathetic to feminism, I'm sympathetic to environmentalism, all of which, by the standards of today's GOP puts me on the moderate wing, IMO. :pSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74198707368066266472007-02-21T15:36:00.000-06:002007-02-21T15:36:00.000-06:00Simon, I think you're a great guy and many things ...Simon, I think you're a great guy and many things (almost all positive) would come to mind if someone asked me to describe you, but <I>moderate</I> Republican is definitely not one of them ;-).Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46348846875801402942007-02-21T15:18:00.000-06:002007-02-21T15:18:00.000-06:00Pogo: "I envy your supply of haters."Here I am tal...Pogo: "I envy your supply of haters."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://bloggingheads.tv/video.php?id=186&cid=910" REL="nofollow">Here</A> I am talking about the value of the haters... "That's considered an accomplishment. I mark it all to my credit here... If they hate me, they should just understand that they're in my power." Etc.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36602335716205646922007-02-21T15:07:00.000-06:002007-02-21T15:07:00.000-06:00I actually think its an intelligence test. Our go...I actually think its an intelligence test. Our good friend Elizabeth (no moderate her) is able to engage and argue without hatefulness. <BR/><BR/>These people don't get it. The "former student" act is a way to establish some credibility.Laura Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855241652633348350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91326661160361904712007-02-21T14:52:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:52:00.000-06:00Ms. Althouse has high expectations of people who d...Ms. Althouse has high expectations of people who disagree with her. She expects them to at least make sound arguments that are on point, which, I believe, engenders hatred.stoqboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17646993026375810099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82475718098994574672007-02-21T14:36:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:36:00.000-06:00AJD: If Annie is moderate, God save us from the co...AJD: <I>If Annie is moderate, God save us from the conservatives!</I><BR/><BR/>Damn straight. I'm on the right-wing, and from where I sit Ann is in the center. You're just not practicing diversity in your life [<I>the left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture us about</I>]. You're like that reporter who couldn't believe Nixon won, because she didn't know anyone who supported him.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41509745034183638602007-02-21T14:23:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:23:00.000-06:00I never read the Paper Chase, but remember being v...I never read the Paper Chase, but remember being very disappointed by the movie after watching it with some fellow students at the University of Wisconsin.<BR/><BR/>And as Ann says, none of the law professors I had, including her, came across like Kingsfield in the Paper Chase. I wouldn't have minded if they had. I was always better prepared for the classes where I knew, from a rotation system, that I would be called upon, and presumably would have prepared better for classes where I could have been called upon at any time. And more importantly, a budding lawyer should be prepared to argue on his feet, or at least not crumple when asked to do so.<BR/><BR/>I liked the Socratic dialogue with professors when it happened, typically on a voluntary basis. In fact, I fondly remember a class (with one of the older and more intimidating professors at UW), where I and another 1L challenged his assertion that conservative judges are as much activists as the liberal judges whose "legislation" the conservatives are trying to roll back. The professor seemed ill-prepared (perhaps surprised) by the challenge, and offered no rejoinder to our arguments.John Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21692428912005671052007-02-21T14:19:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:19:00.000-06:00I think you're wrong Prof. Althouse, your psuedony...I think you're wrong Prof. Althouse, your psuedonymous 'ex-student' wasn't 'meowing' he was <A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=dictionary&q=mewling" REL="nofollow">'mewling'</A>.<BR/><BR/>To meow can be good or bad, whereas to mewl is never anything but a pathetic whimpering, simpering cry for attention.<BR/><BR/>Much more fitting.<BR/><BR/>You, a Law Professor, should know better about the importance of word choice.XWLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13646729965929680256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23313869907064579322007-02-21T14:15:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:15:00.000-06:00Well then, it's settled.I simply must try some Mar...Well then, it's settled.<BR/>I simply must try some Marmite.<BR/>Suggestions?KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9883333356488883372007-02-21T14:04:00.001-06:002007-02-21T14:04:00.001-06:00Ruth Anne - from David Lat?! God, yes.Ruth Anne - from David Lat?! God, yes.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91404236841161572692007-02-21T14:04:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:04:00.000-06:00AJD - I'm a moderate Republican, and as far as I c...AJD - I'm a moderate Republican, and as far as I can tell, Ann's significantly to my left on every issue within the ambit of politics, so that makes her anywhere from a liberal to a moderate. Take your pick.<BR/><BR/>And I believe that you've been warned about using that derogatory nickname.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38289308657398020442007-02-21T14:02:00.000-06:002007-02-21T14:02:00.000-06:00grande blogress diva...oh love it! The femme fatal...<I>grande blogress diva</I><BR/><BR/>...oh love it! The <I>femme fatale</I> for the 21st century. <BR/><BR/>I'm purring with desire :-)PeterPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02813526431296196022noreply@blogger.com