tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4913941234472484331..comments2024-03-28T17:58:57.058-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Mitt Romney Voted Against 2012 Run In Family Poll."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54213543147105735912013-07-04T02:58:17.933-05:002013-07-04T02:58:17.933-05:00If the greatest expansion of govt EVER isn't e...<i>If the greatest expansion of govt EVER isn't enough to get you guys to not throw away your vote and vote for a guy who can't win, then you are a lost cause. </i><br /><br />"The greatest expansion of government ever" happened under George Bush, not Barack Obama -- Bush grew the government by almost 50% in inflation-adjusted dollars. Obama's great sin was to lock in the spending levels of Bush's final budget.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34480249029590150902013-07-04T02:33:10.108-05:002013-07-04T02:33:10.108-05:00Libertarians are lefty on foreign policy and right...<i>Libertarians are lefty on foreign policy and righty on fiscal policies.</i><br /><br />The "lefty" position on foreign policy is "war is great so long as America doesn't get anything out of it". :)<br /><br />The libertarian foreign policy is the foreign policy George Bush claimed to have in 2000: opposed to nation-building, "humanitarian" invasions, and non-defensive wars in general. This happens to be the position held by most Americans at the moment; the last twelve years of continual war have worn people out.<br /><br />Smaller government and less war -- if you think that's a fringe position among the electorate, you really need to watch something besides Fox and MSNBC. :)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1092034239675887772013-07-04T02:22:03.350-05:002013-07-04T02:22:03.350-05:00here's an article from before the election sho...<i>here's an article from before the election showing how Gary Johnson would act as a spoiler in key states.</i><br /><br />The word you're desperately searching for is "could", not "would".<br /><br />The five states the LP predicted Johnson *could* "spoil" were North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. Romney won North Carolina. In the other four states Obama's margin of victory exceeded Johnson's total votes.<br /><br /><i>And it looks like it came to pass.</i><br /><br />You fail at basic arithmetic.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6261894331049506002013-07-03T22:34:27.587-05:002013-07-03T22:34:27.587-05:00Revenant wrote:
The answer to the statement "...Revenant wrote:<br />The answer to the statement "libertarians need to support the Republican candidate to keep the Democratic candidate out of the White House is "Republicans need to support the libertarian candidate to keep the Democratic candidate out of the White House.<br /><br />Sure, you outnumber us but so what? Democrats outnumber you. If the sanity of a political position was determined by its number of adherents there would never be any reason to vote Republican.<br /><br> <br />Libertarians don't have to support republicans, yet libertarians are supposedly fiscal conservatives and small govt. If the greatest expansion of govt EVER isn't enough to get you guys to not throw away your vote and vote for a guy who can't win, then you are a lost cause. jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47611100744993590622013-07-03T22:24:20.601-05:002013-07-03T22:24:20.601-05:00Libertarians are lefty on foreign policy and right...Libertarians are lefty on foreign policy and righty on fiscal policies. As such they are stuck between both parties. At some point they'll have to choose one or just vote for principle and be content never taking the White House.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79851670047342865132013-07-03T21:30:00.792-05:002013-07-03T21:30:00.792-05:00And by the way Joe Shmoe. Look at the comments in ...And by the way Joe Shmoe. Look at the comments in the link I provided from the libertarians. They acknowledge that they may have cost the election for Romney. Ad that was the point.<br />It was more important to teach republicans a lesson for dissing Ron Paul than to defeat Obama. Even though no one is griping more about Obama than the fucking libertarians. Well you got your victory, now enjoy the reward.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80840464659716032752013-07-03T21:27:06.691-05:002013-07-03T21:27:06.691-05:00And by the way, you,libertarians are going to keep...And by the way, you,libertarians are going to keep wandering in the wilderness. You can act as spoilers and keep electing democrats, but you are so fringe you will not get mainstream repubs to vote for you unless you become moderates. <br /><br /><br />If Rand Paul becomes the nominee I'll be sure to return the favor. Even if it means 4 years of Hillary.<br />jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54388433621908603042013-07-03T21:25:54.547-05:002013-07-03T21:25:54.547-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21670308401630573992013-07-03T21:21:22.711-05:002013-07-03T21:21:22.711-05:00And here for you , Joe Shmoe:
here's an artic...And here for you , Joe Shmoe:<br /> here's an article from before the election showing how Gary Johnson would act as a spoiler in key states.<br /><br />http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/gov-gary-johnson-could-cost-romney-5-battleground-states-74-electoral-votes-need<br /><br />Ad it looks like it came to pass. Thanks for four more years of Obama care. Was the author psychic?. Or was this just common sense that only libertarians couldn't grok.<br /><br />This happened once before with liberals when Nader took key votes from Al Gore and Bush walked away with the election.<br /><br />And the. next time he wanted to run both Bill Maher and Michael Moore got on their hands and knees and begged him not to run, and not act as a spoiler again. Because the stakes were so high for the liberal cause (ie 4 more years of Bush).<br />Why can liberals learn this lesson but libertarians can't ? <br /><br />You really taught the conservatives a lesson about purity. And what does that lesson look like? 4 more years of Obama.<br />Enjoy it.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9075124673182701612013-07-03T21:15:34.115-05:002013-07-03T21:15:34.115-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15883934683788244792013-07-03T21:05:15.188-05:002013-07-03T21:05:15.188-05:00Joe Shmoe here's something for you to peruse:
...Joe Shmoe here's something for you to peruse:<br /><i>"Romney’s margin of loss to President Obama in five states – the swing states Florida, Ohio, Virginia, New Hampshire, and the dyed-blue Connecticut – were less than the number of votes Paul won during the Republican primary, shows political news website Policymic.<br /><br />In Florida alone, President Obama defeated Romney by 46,000 votes while Paul got more than 117,000 votes in the primary. If only 40-percent of these Ron Paul Republicans stayed home on Election Day, it would have been enough to cost Romney the state and its 29 electoral votes.<br /><br />Similar scenarios can be seen in the other states, whose combined 71 electoral votes would have been a game changer, giving Romney the presidency by a slim 277-261 victory over the President."</i><br /><br />- See more at: <a href="http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/11/11/ron-paul-effect-may-have-cost-romney-election/#sthash.H5A9B7hI.dpuf" rel="nofollow">Ron Paul effect may have cost Romney election</a>jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79771431641130354032013-07-03T20:58:16.478-05:002013-07-03T20:58:16.478-05:00Joe Shmoe wrote:
jr565, show me a state then wher...Joe Shmoe wrote:<br /><br />jr565, show me a state then where Johnson cost Mitt electoral votes. I can't, because it didn't happen.<br /><br />Your herd mentality when it comes to voting flies in the face of the freedom to vote for whomever you want to, a freedom that I'd gather you support in theory but not in practice. Don't give me this whining and lack of accountability, either; if the candidate you liked was good enough, he or she would've won. Anyone can vote for any damn person they want, be they a Dem, GOP, or a damn write-in vote.<br /><br> I didn't say you COULDN'T vote for who you wanted. I just said you were stupid for doing so. And the candidate you voted for didn't win either, so I guess that means he wasnt good enough either?<br /><br />You wasted your vote. For nothing.<br />jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23693263705218579012013-07-03T16:40:10.896-05:002013-07-03T16:40:10.896-05:00You could've just said "I don't like ...<i>You could've just said "I don't like libertarianism", although a more accurate statement would be "I don't understand libertarianism and I suffer from much of the same misinformation as the media."</i><br /><br />His choice of metaphor is telling, though. If the Republican Party is "Dad" and the Democratic Party is "Mom", what that tells us is that Democrats and Republicans see *themselves* as children. They're looking to someone else to make the moral and financial decisions for them, to keep them safe, and to provide them with necessities.<br /><br />Libertarians view themselves as adults. Elected officials aren't mommy and daddy surrogates; they're employees we hire to do things for us. The person responsible for making our moral choices, financial decisions, et al, is... us.<br /><br />That's how adults are supposed to think. That's why we call them "adults", not "big kids".Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47112663036667245642013-07-03T16:29:56.143-05:002013-07-03T16:29:56.143-05:00Republicans should be wary to ever trust libertari...<i>Republicans should be wary to ever trust libertarians. Because when faced with a second term of Obama they choose to endorse people who will be lucky to get 1% of the vote.</i><br /><br />The answer to the statement "libertarians need to support the Republican candidate to keep the Democratic candidate out of the White House is "Republicans need to support the libertarian candidate to keep the Democratic candidate out of the White House.<br /><br />Sure, you outnumber us but so what? Democrats outnumber you. If the sanity of a political position was determined by its number of adherents there would never be any reason to vote Republican.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78651182250724322962013-07-03T13:39:56.836-05:002013-07-03T13:39:56.836-05:00While I'm here, let me offer up an alternative...While I'm here, let me offer up an alternative version of libertarians to Writ Small.<br /><br />The libertarian mother and father love their family and view it as the most important building block of the community. They both pitch in to make the best home that they can for their children, and they actively participate in all aspects of their children's development. Rather than bitching about how bad schools are, the libertarian parents participate and volunteer in school activities when they can, because they see it as their responsibility to help make their community the best that it can be. Yes, they make it a point of pride to be self-sufficient, but their concept of local community is so strong, and their compassion for their neighbors so strong, that they are willing to help someone out at a moment's notice because they know their neighbors would welcome a friendly face rather than some government-assigned stranger with no connection to them. They care deeply, and they don't want to depend on faceless bureaucrats thousands of miles away making decisions that can so dramatically affect the quality of their local communities. They value true freedom, and they don't proselytize their values on others because they respect other people's right to think what they want. They don't advocate a policy of every man, woman and child for themselves; they just want their community to be as locally-controlled as possible. They respect the rule of law, but they don't feel unnecessary laws should be passed as a way to favor some groups over others.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16135845373704067142013-07-03T13:36:53.810-05:002013-07-03T13:36:53.810-05:00I too supported Romney (both in 2008 and 2012) as ...I too supported Romney (both in 2008 and 2012) as the best candidate. The guy has a track record of (a) generally making things better than they were before he got there and (b) delivering as much or more than what he promised he’d deliver. I’ll take that over ideological purity with no track record of results twice a day and three times on Sunday.<br /><br /><br />Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33661268808218047852013-07-03T13:19:05.620-05:002013-07-03T13:19:05.620-05:00jr565, show me a state then where Johnson cost Mit...jr565, show me a state then where Johnson cost Mitt electoral votes. I can't, because it didn't happen.<br /><br />Your herd mentality when it comes to voting flies in the face of the freedom to vote for whomever you want to, a freedom that I'd gather you support in theory but not in practice. Don't give me this whining and lack of accountability, either; if the candidate you liked was good enough, he or she would've won. Anyone can vote for any damn person they want, be they a Dem, GOP, or a damn write-in vote.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15603984403465193962013-07-03T12:43:28.235-05:002013-07-03T12:43:28.235-05:00Electing Rhinos does not work. What it does is giv...Electing Rhinos does not work. What it does is give cover to the liberal Dems when they foist stuff like this new amnesty bill. Even if they get one or two Republicans they claim it as a bi-partisan bill.<br /><br />Rhinos are not loyal. You can't count on them. Fuck em.Baron Zemohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301531733692419610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23190813185984311322013-07-03T12:35:41.711-05:002013-07-03T12:35:41.711-05:00If you think Gary Johnson cost Mitt the race, then...If you think Gary Johnson cost Mitt the race, then you don't understand simple math. If all GJ votes go to Mitt, Mitt still loses.<br /><br><br />That's if you count the popular vote. If you him on a state by state level, where the margin of difference is small, the difference could have meant that Romney wins a state that he lost.<br />And even if it didnt turn the election, we don't know the vote count until after the votes are counted. And yet libertarians voted for their candidate anyway, even though only Mitt Romney was the only guy who stood a chance to beat Obama. Gary Johnson was not in the running. So, no excuse.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92029150833732534112013-07-03T09:06:52.076-05:002013-07-03T09:06:52.076-05:00MCD said...
I voted for Romney. On the plus side,...<i>MCD said... <br />I voted for Romney. On the plus side, he lived his principles, he had a good management record, he was respected by people who had dealt with him, and he seemed pragmatic, willing to confront the nation's problems and work with Congress.<br /><br />On the negative side, he was a little stiff (years in big business have that effect on people), and the nation would be called racist if the first black president were not re-elected.<br /><br />I thought Romney would do a better job. I'm sorry he lost.</i><br /><br />I was optimistic that he would apply his experience as a turnaround manager. What we need, and have basically never had, is someone to push these bloated agencies to cut their fat. The people involved simply take their core structure & responsibilities as a given and thus fail to understand the savings opportunities. <br /><br />Obviously it's not a given he would sufficiently prioritize this or that the bureaucrats would not be successful in thwarting it. But at least there was the possibility of success. Electing Obama meant a guaranteed push toward further fiscal decline. <br /><br />That's why self-serving justifications like "[Romney] would have been Obama Junior and you know it" are miles from truthful. testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478829894294731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86442832383425587362013-07-03T09:03:53.041-05:002013-07-03T09:03:53.041-05:00Libertarians are most aligned with the child. Abov...<i>Libertarians are most aligned with the child. Above all, they want freedom to do what they want and not have anyone tell them what they can do. All forms of authority are to be resisted. All moral standards are to be challenged. One's responsibility is to oneself. Libertarians tend to have highly idealized views that often prove tragic when applied to real world situations.</i><br /><br />You could've just said "I don't like libertarianism", although a more accurate statement would be "I don't understand libertarianism and I suffer from much of the same misinformation as the media."Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2276706801437593782013-07-03T09:00:42.575-05:002013-07-03T09:00:42.575-05:00If you think Gary Johnson cost Mitt the race, then...If you think Gary Johnson cost Mitt the race, then you don't understand simple math. If all GJ votes go to Mitt, Mitt still loses.<br /><br />If you think third party candidates influence presidential elections to the point where they change outcomes, then you should kiss Ralph Nader full on the lips for keeping Al Gore and John Kerry out of the White House.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30104642530294188602013-07-03T08:51:32.049-05:002013-07-03T08:51:32.049-05:00machine said...
So he was stomped twice!
Hahahah...machine said...<br /><br /><i>So he was stomped twice!<br /><br />Hahahahahahaha.....ya burnt!</i><br /><br />It's not stomped if it was stolen.<br /><br />PS Choom pushes ObamaTax back again to avoid blowing another election.<br /><br />NSA, IRS, lowest rating ever.<br /><br />Everywhere in Africa, he's told to go home.<br /><br />Ya burnt.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49273073992508241012013-07-03T08:19:46.118-05:002013-07-03T08:19:46.118-05:00I voted for Romney. On the plus side, he lived hi...I voted for Romney. On the plus side, he lived his principles, he had a good management record, he was respected by people who had dealt with him, and he seemed pragmatic, willing to confront the nation's problems and work with Congress.<br /><br />On the negative side, he was a little stiff (years in big business have that effect on people), and the nation would be called racist if the first black president were not re-elected.<br /><br />I thought Romney would do a better job. I'm sorry he lost.MD Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00675532021705182467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79484307115830801792013-07-03T08:19:10.094-05:002013-07-03T08:19:10.094-05:00I voted for Romney. On the plus side, he lived hi...I voted for Romney. On the plus side, he lived his principles, he had a good management record, he was respected by people who had dealt with him, and he seemed pragmatic, willing to confront the nation's problems and work with Congress.<br /><br />On the negative side, he was a little stiff (years in big business have that effect on people), and the nation would be called racist if the first black president were not re-elected.<br /><br />I thought Romney would do a better job. I'm sorry he lost.MD Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00675532021705182467noreply@blogger.com