tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4822211282092647316..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: That Slate article: "The Massive Liberal Failure on Race. Affirmative action doesn’t work. It never did. It’s time for a new solution."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger255125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48166472954860313402014-02-15T19:10:24.812-06:002014-02-15T19:10:24.812-06:00Lincoln initiated the Greatest Human Act in Humani...Lincoln initiated the Greatest Human Act in Humanity, "Emancipation Proclamation" to date and the Democrats held the Blacks down for another 100 years. Maybe, just maybe, if the Blacks/Slaves were introduced into Society in 1865/6/7, again, just maybe America would not have the problems of today!!! America didn't need another "Emancipation Proclamation" in the form of a "Civil Rights Bill"... Republicans have fought for the Blacks ever since the Civil War and the Democrated South held them under... How in the the world did the Blacks become Democrats?? Bob Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06008463069085855526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20740214261003183662014-02-14T17:23:47.608-06:002014-02-14T17:23:47.608-06:00Having spent a career helping administer affirmati...Having spent a career helping administer affirmative action in a major oil company I'm having some difficulty relating this article to reality. Perhaps I'm just confused by the author's identification of affirmative action with President Nixon when it was in fact LBJ who started it with Executive Order 11246. Or his persistent conflation of terms (e.g., goals vs quotas, applicants vs hires, etc., etc.). However, the article has its comic moments, such as the assertion that there wasn't much backlash against affirmative action at first (shocked disbelief couple with the fervent hope that the Feds didn't really mean it and wouldn't enforce it is what I remember). In any event, he does display a real passion for the topic, and I'm convinced that with more time and maturity, plus a whole lot more research and experience he will get to something useful. Vesparadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17009825009023826461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9669307863771285092014-02-14T07:30:55.760-06:002014-02-14T07:30:55.760-06:00Not surprising that he accuses Nixon of racism whe...Not surprising that he accuses Nixon of racism when it is LBJ who was the most openly racist president since Wilson. In fact Nixon gave us the modern affirmative action programs which he thought would break Democrat union bosses. He also was hard-core on integrating schools.<br /><br />The left is just hateful and desperate on this issue. I say wait for the Supreme Court to strike it down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12924719250871185122014-02-14T04:01:39.581-06:002014-02-14T04:01:39.581-06:00Wait. By the race hustler logic, if you're bla...Wait. By the race hustler logic, if you're black is very likely that someone in your ancestral tree also bought and sold blacks. So blacks should pay reparations to each other.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58350237225606841092014-02-14T04:01:12.409-06:002014-02-14T04:01:12.409-06:00Wait. By the race hustler logic, if you're bla...Wait. By the race hustler logic, if you're black is very likely that someone in your ancestral tree also bought and sold blacks. So blacks should pay reparations to each other.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32505726741654480812014-02-13T18:28:31.288-06:002014-02-13T18:28:31.288-06:00this is only coming up now because the Democrats h...this is only coming up now because the Democrats have decided they're finally going to get their Mexicans and don't need the black community anymore. Don't overthink this.<br /><br />For their part, the blacks will continue to reflexively vote Democrat until the last PP clinic in the hood has finished its work.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86100560166753710872014-02-13T18:27:26.964-06:002014-02-13T18:27:26.964-06:00this is only coming up now because the Democrats h...this is only coming up now because the Democrats have decided they're finally going to get their Mexicans and don't need the black community anymore. Don't overthink this.<br /><br />For their part, the blacks will continue to reflexively vote Democrat until the last PP clinic in the hood has finished its work.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35809645364426522102014-02-13T18:07:12.635-06:002014-02-13T18:07:12.635-06:00I'm glad liberals are figuring out the bad res...I'm glad liberals are figuring out the bad results, but am profoundly disappointed if not horrified that all he can care about is "failure to achieve desired goal" rather than such petty concerns as legality, rights, and the Constitution. Even when liberals are right, they're terribly wrong.Rick67https://www.blogger.com/profile/16764011597156012973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71869016363403989412014-02-13T15:14:22.054-06:002014-02-13T15:14:22.054-06:00But wait! Sign up your left ball, and we'll t...But wait! Sign up your left ball, and we'll take your right ball <i>for free</i>! Just pay postage and handling. Act now!<br /><br />I dunno. Still needs work. Too much context required to go on stage.Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63628082396244380462014-02-13T13:10:56.251-06:002014-02-13T13:10:56.251-06:00So it seems to have been decided in the affirmativ...So it seems to have been decided in the affirmative.Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78010857396350743532014-02-13T12:11:20.363-06:002014-02-13T12:11:20.363-06:00"universal pre-K"
Ugh. It's like co..."universal pre-K"<br /><br />Ugh. It's like communism. No matter how many times long term studies show that universal Pre-K doesn't deliver the hoped-for benefits, the leftists just insist it hasn't been done right yet.Cloudbusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01983007252189724957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86411885846925738962014-02-13T12:02:45.703-06:002014-02-13T12:02:45.703-06:00chickenlittle said...
@Also, the thread topic is a...<i>chickenlittle said...<br />@Also, the thread topic is about Affirmative Action in general and not college admissions. <br /><br />Why do you want to focus only on college admissions?</i><br /><br />I largely agree that we can't legislate affirmative action in business to any significant degree. I recently read 'The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine' by Michael Lewis. It is an inside look at the finance industry and its role in the Great Recession. One striking issue was how large a role family and ethnic connections played in getting jobs in this lucrative industry. Life isn't fair.<br /><br />The education system is largely government funded and we should at least strive for some community wide fairness.Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74255330023897984992014-02-13T11:57:25.577-06:002014-02-13T11:57:25.577-06:00@ARM: I started out this morning giving you the b...@ARM: I started out this morning giving you the benefit of your proposal. It seems clear to me now that you're only interested in lengthening this comment thread, so I'm terminating my contributions to this chain. <br /><br />Good day, sir. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34915474781538880892014-02-13T11:56:08.634-06:002014-02-13T11:56:08.634-06:00chickenlittle said...
Did you miss that?
No but i...<i>chickenlittle said...<br />Did you miss that?</i><br /><br />No but it is irrelevant. As I said the fairness issue seems the strongest argument against affirmative action, but it is complex argument that cuts many ways. In the end affirmative action has significantly helped some people, no one seems to disagree on this. It is not a zero sum game. A more equal society is a more productive society bringing benefits for everyone. <br /><br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21565704183453276692014-02-13T11:54:10.961-06:002014-02-13T11:54:10.961-06:00@Also, the thread topic is about Affirmative Actio...@Also, the thread topic is about Affirmative Action in general and not college admissions. <br /><br />Why do you want to focus only on college admissions? I suspect it's something dear to your heart. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89861147659259038022014-02-13T11:51:26.951-06:002014-02-13T11:51:26.951-06:00How did this become about Obama?
It became about ...<i>How did this become about Obama?</i><br /><br />It became about Obama because I made it about JFK and compared the two. <br /><br />Did you miss that? chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3552964289016435412014-02-13T11:51:19.508-06:002014-02-13T11:51:19.508-06:00YouAreLessOfAManThanMySevenYearOldDaughter is spec...YouAreLessOfAManThanMySevenYearOldDaughter is special-order only. You'll have to call our offices directly for that. Be sure to redeem your SmallDick coupon when you call for 20% off!Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58942847271569783632014-02-13T11:50:08.681-06:002014-02-13T11:50:08.681-06:00Take money away' is too vague.
Well, your or...<i>Take money away' is too vague. </i><br /><br />Well, your original proposal to continue awarding affirmative action was likewise too vague. You proposed no viable mechanism or policy to identify recipients. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89544560874639728902014-02-13T11:49:43.573-06:002014-02-13T11:49:43.573-06:00chickenlittle said...
Except it was inclusive and ...<i>chickenlittle said...<br />Except it was inclusive and not vindictive. Obama absolutely reeks of vindictiveness, despite his elite education.</i><br /><br />How did this become about Obama? He hasn't done much either way on this particular issue that I am aware of. <br /><br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42051219867917953542014-02-13T11:44:07.227-06:002014-02-13T11:44:07.227-06:00On its face this seems to be an argument for some ...<i>On its face this seems to be an argument for some form of affirmative action</i><br /><br />Except it was inclusive and not vindictive. Obama absolutely reeks of vindictiveness, despite his elite education. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91759336861020800672014-02-13T11:43:43.379-06:002014-02-13T11:43:43.379-06:00chickenlittle said...
Because when you or Crack, o...<i>chickenlittle said...<br />Because when you or Crack, or Althouse or who have you seriously propose reparations, you're always willing to take money away from me or my kids because we're white.</i><br /><br />'Take money away' is too vague. How exactly are you hurt by affirmative action regarding college admissions? I have already conceded that it is not perfectly fair but you can make a reasonable argument that it is less unfair than the status quo.<br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2280251792220093152014-02-13T11:40:44.331-06:002014-02-13T11:40:44.331-06:00chickenlittle said...
"Level the playing fiel...<i>chickenlittle said...<br />"Level the playing field" has two means to similar, but not the same end. We can raise the lower standing members up or knock down the highest standing members. One approach is constructive; the other destructive. JFK had the right idea when he said "A rising tide lifts all boats."</i><br /><br />On its face this seems to be an argument for some form of affirmative action. Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12730523770475391722014-02-13T11:38:52.280-06:002014-02-13T11:38:52.280-06:00Why is it all about you?
Because when you or Crac...<i>Why is it all about you?</i><br /><br />Because when you or Crack, or Althouse or who have you seriously propose reparations, you're always willing to take money away from me or my kids because we're white. That's why. <br /><br />Fair enough? chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59328020601446712112014-02-13T11:36:48.619-06:002014-02-13T11:36:48.619-06:00Bob Ellison said...
Special offer! ActLikeAnArroga...<i>Bob Ellison said...<br />Special offer! ActLikeAnArrogantBitch is on sale today only, 90% off, for just 99 cents per month! If you sign up today only, you get WaitIShouldStopCommenting for free, for six months!</i><br /><br />My seven year old daughter can do better than this, but then she is a girl, you are just pretending to be one.Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30288792971751048122014-02-13T11:36:23.121-06:002014-02-13T11:36:23.121-06:00Is it unreasonable to believe that we should try t...<i>Is it unreasonable to believe that we should try to level the playing field to at least some extent in order to promote social mobility?</i><br /><br />"Level the playing field" has two means to similar, but not the same end. We can raise the lower standing members up or knock down the highest standing members. One approach is constructive; the other destructive. JFK had the right idea when he said "A rising tide lifts all boats." BHO's legacy will be "an ebbing tide strands the yachts first." chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.com