tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4222347711697421665..comments2024-03-19T03:51:06.510-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Sikh temple shooter's band: End Apathy.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36455218681839153882012-08-08T13:55:37.615-05:002012-08-08T13:55:37.615-05:00People now a days don't think right. There are...People now a days don't think right. There are weird beliefs and are just wrong. It's like they were programmed wrong. I hope this stops.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536829374145169039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35335152595287627792012-08-08T03:25:40.348-05:002012-08-08T03:25:40.348-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840719620959481121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82282681533500544882012-08-08T03:25:09.974-05:002012-08-08T03:25:09.974-05:00How tragic that some benighted Americans even now ...How tragic that some benighted Americans even now fail to see how the REAL signifigance of this case is how clearly it illustrates the dark perfidy of the SPLC.<br /><br />I guess that brand-new pile of dead bodies must have distracted them.<br /><br />Many of the commenters above are better than that; I can scarcely imagine how proud they must feel upon contemplating their clear-headed analysis of this dire threat to their homeland.<br /><br />Presumably some of these same brilliant minds were strident in their protest a few years back when national research found a major rise in membership among far-right hate-groups in the immediate wake of Obama's election: both condemning the obvious waste of money involved & fearing that they too might be designated as propagators of hatred ... for reasons that plainly defy all reason. The blame for this act of naked fascism was justly laid at Obama's feet, plainly yet another step in his evil plot to demonize the Right - that the study itself had been begun by the Bush administration was of course a mere unfortunate coincidence of bad timing. <br /><br />How strange - I seem to have just thrown up in my mouth a little.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840719620959481121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69250522420194515862012-08-07T16:28:46.420-05:002012-08-07T16:28:46.420-05:00You guys are crazy if you think that the real trag...You guys are crazy if you think that the real tragedy here isn't the massacre of American citizens, but is instead the existence of the SPLC. You're pathetic.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14489380695592633848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2448230969083580622012-08-07T13:03:32.692-05:002012-08-07T13:03:32.692-05:00"Woah?" Oh, I didn't realize that y..."Woah?" Oh, I didn't realize that you were a child. Carry on then. If you didn't understand my point at first go-round you won't ever. Unless maybe I try it in the form of song lyrics?<br /><br />If you had just a minute to breathe <br />And they granted you one final wish<br />Would you ask for something <br />Like another chance?<br />Or something simple as this? <br /><i>Don't worry too much<br /><b>It'll happen to you</b> <br />As sure as your sorrows are joys</i>Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47586725274458675382012-08-07T10:32:14.269-05:002012-08-07T10:32:14.269-05:00@ Nichevo
Lol at your garbage, I am so glad to &...@ Nichevo <br /><br />Lol at your garbage, I am so glad to 'disgust you', I mean woah that you fail to notice that we are speaking of people actively participating in a nauseous hate-filled ideology which previously gave us the holocaust among others delicacies like a world war and tens of million deaths... So people buying and seeking neo-nazi memorabilia while dreaming of beating to death colored people, the supposed 'privacy' of their purchase aren't exactly of my concern, sorry pal: I am rather intolerant of intolerant people, that is, and have not problem with putting them into a special place : that trash with the 'disgrace to humankind' label.Sensi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09119103730923931097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57845116542741040772012-08-07T09:49:34.566-05:002012-08-07T09:49:34.566-05:00SPLC are the ones reporting on the activities of h...<i>SPLC are the ones reporting on the activities of hate groups. They are the good guys. Of course, the right wing hates them. And Althouse wants to criticize SPLC, not any White Power groups.</i><br /><br />If SLPC is going to report almost exclusively on right-wing groups and from there slide into smears of people such as Ann Coulter, Pamela Geller, David Horowitz and the always civil and erudite Richard Spencer, as "haters," while ignoring almost all the hate and violence from the left, then it's fair game to say that the SLPC is spreading its own kind of hate. <br /><br />If AlphaLiberal wishes to sling the "H" word so liberally -- "maligning an entire class of people" -- then he can be a hate group too.<br /><br />There is no end to these tu quoque smear wars.<br /><br />I'm not sure where we go from here. I have a sour, gray feeling that the today's polarization is becoming as dangerous as the 1960s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52864713010910159122012-08-07T09:29:32.698-05:002012-08-07T09:29:32.698-05:00"They didn't track a private transaction...."They didn't track a private transaction. The National Alliance is a phony Nazi organization solely used for identifying and tracking white supremacists when they attempt to purchase Nazi material."<br /><br />Thank you for pointing that out (not sarcasm). Guess I should have done a little digging before making assertions, which I believe was the original point of the post. So fail on my part from the start. Do you know if there are similar front organizations for tracking other groups?Crimsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618292072861640747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67890519904087529052012-08-07T09:12:26.436-05:002012-08-07T09:12:26.436-05:00Sean: The fact that the author of this blog and s...Sean: <i>The fact that the author of this blog and so many commenters are unwilling to acknowledge the truth is very disturbing.</i><br /><br />Uh, what truth isn't being acknowledged? That the shooter has racist connections, or that the SPLC labels everyone and his brother a "hater" or a "white supremacist"? These aren't contradictory statements.<br /><br />I don't see anybody denying that the former could be the case. You, on the other hand, seem so distressed that anybody dares breathe a word of criticism against the sainted SPLC, that it interferes with your reading comprehension.<br /><br />All the "deniers" you claim to be seeing are simply people who are well aware that groups like the SPLC and their media enablers invariably wet themselves with excitement and delight whenever a "white supremacist" story comes along that they can flog like mænads into their preferred narrative. Hell, they do this even when there is zero evidence for any such thing.<br /><br />In case you've been living in a cave, we now live in a society where the propaganda outlets go into overdrive to assure us that all crimes are "isolated", "random", "the work of a lone nut", and that even the most overt and hateful expressions of racism are meaningless, unless the perp is a white male, in which case his citation for jay-walking represents some deep, dark undercurrent of implicit racism blah blah blah blah blah send money...<br /><br />I don't know why you find the cynicism expressed here so perplexing. Are you some kind of cloistered monk?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42672746079388401662012-08-07T09:07:07.322-05:002012-08-07T09:07:07.322-05:00Just to say that delete was a double-post, oopsie....Just to say that delete was a double-post, oopsie.<br /><br />But so...SPLC is waging a private war against...whoever. So you SPLC types are all good with these individuals trying to go out to Jihadi boards and websites and step in their shit, right? Want to share your fund-raising fifty-fifty? Woohoo! Hell, want to offer a kind word? I dimly recall you can find some of those types at Ace of Spades, Gates of Vienna, Atlas Shrugged. Tell Pam Gellar hi, she was right.Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65790397744907403462012-08-07T09:01:22.204-05:002012-08-07T09:01:22.204-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89513995711117067312012-08-07T09:00:49.435-05:002012-08-07T09:00:49.435-05:00I shouldn't have to, but will begin by saying ...I shouldn't have to, but will begin by saying that Nazis receive no countenance from me. Nor do Communists. If we could take every last one out behind the barn and shoot them I would bring the popcorn and, if requested, sharpen the skinning knives.<br /><br />That said, let me FIFY: I feel for those (black powerists, LGBTs, married couples looking into sex toys, women seeking abortions, Islamofascists, adulterers, eaters of treif, SPLC members) who have had their commerce monitored, their library activity looked into, their gatherings watched, their names entered on lists. <br /><br />And all this by private citizens? No color of law, no warrants, no probable cause, guilt by association? I bet you hated The Watchmen.<br /><br />Names on lists! We don't like lists of names here in America, Sensi. That's pretty distasteful and a fellow named Joe lost his job over stuff like that back in the fifties.<br /><br />But I tell you what, if Aum Rin Shinyo (sp? Who were those guys who gassed the Tokyo trains?) had adopted, say, the ch'ai or the American flag as their logo, I would nonetheless resent being asked to give up that gift from my bar mitzvah, or the souvenir from my 6th grade field trip to Ft. McHenry.<br /><br />I wonder where your feelings lie, Sensi? Is there anything of yours that may have been subverted by others that you feel inclined to cling to nonetheless? Or is that unbefitting the New Soviet Man?<br /><br />As for your slur on the commentariat here, someone should slap your face, but that way lies Internet Tough Guy-ism, so I'm told, and of course all right-thinking people must renounce THAT horror. So I will just say, you disgust me.<br /><br />...As for that Sean or whoever is wetting his pants waiting for permission to jump to conclusions, I counsel patience in the name of the eternal dictum that "the first three reports are always wrong" and that there is no reason not to let the story come out. If you are losing an opportunity to make political hay, good, so you should.<br /><br />Maybe if he had actually attacked Muslims I'd be a little closer behind you but Sikhs? Makes me think a drug deal went wrong or there was a little something extra in his method that morning or something, you know? Or does SPLC have records that this guy was really really unintelligent and could not tell Sikhs from Muslims or did not know the diff or care? <br /><br /><br /> Sensi2 said...<br /><br />Coming here I was sure to read many comments from people who could fit perfectly among the stormfront membership, they just aren't assuming it yet, i have read the pajama media partisan content for years and know all too well the recurring tendentious while fallacious talking points from many among its audience.<br /><br />So yeah the SPLC must be a 'hate group', the celtic cross isn't a well known symbol for skinheads and neo-nazis worldwide, and I do feel for the people here scared to learn that their previous purchases of neo-nazi merchandising may have been monitored, really.<br /><br />8/6/12 10:54 PMNichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8822977467074357792012-08-07T08:14:16.121-05:002012-08-07T08:14:16.121-05:00They didn't track a private transaction. The ...They didn't track a private transaction. The National Alliance is a phony Nazi organization solely used for identifying and tracking white supremacists when they attempt to purchase Nazi material.woofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16180485265807808623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20099564360415738662012-08-07T07:51:29.036-05:002012-08-07T07:51:29.036-05:00"I do feel for the people here scared to lear..."I do feel for the people here scared to learn that their previous purchases of neo-nazi merchandising may have been monitored, really."<br /><br />Want to name some names of the "people here?" Seriously, who here will you make such a damaging allegation against?<br /><br />I'll stipulate that the SPLC is nothing but a good-hearted, noble organization that is totally above reproach. Exactly how and why are they tracking private business transactions? Would you feel comfortable if the antithesis of the SPLC (say, Stormfront, or the Nation of Islam) was tracking your private business transactions, even if you (like me) had nothing to hide?Crimsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618292072861640747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38345089694008135482012-08-07T05:15:06.111-05:002012-08-07T05:15:06.111-05:00@ SH
"The Celtic cross is one of the most pop...@ SH<br />"The Celtic cross is one of the most popular symbols used by individuals and organisations to represent Neo-Nazism and white pride,[13] it is used as the logo for white nationalist website Stormfront.org."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross#Modern_timesSensi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09119103730923931097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90182762501371871422012-08-07T05:11:31.984-05:002012-08-07T05:11:31.984-05:00@ John Lynch
I completely agree with you on the k...@ John Lynch<br /><br />I completely agree with you on the know fact that our mass murderer wants their 15 minutes of fame, and that our medias are playing their part in their game, when they are not selling more paper and benefiting from it... I do think that a journalistic charter should be set to limit if not partially censor the perpetrator 'rewarding' with his ugly face and moronic biopic all over the headlines, otherwise our media will keep on creating copycats.Sensi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09119103730923931097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61473331097329368832012-08-07T03:05:53.278-05:002012-08-07T03:05:53.278-05:00Stop reporting this shit. Can no one see that the...Stop reporting this shit. Can no one see that the media coverage causes more death?<br /><br />Mass media causes mass murder.<br /><br />It's easy to throw up our hands and say "if it bleeds, it leads," but there are so many examples of news organizations limiting their coverage for ethical reasons that I don't believe that they can't regulate their own behavior.NotWhoIUsedtoBehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14568355742926021406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21292839932038203502012-08-07T02:45:43.259-05:002012-08-07T02:45:43.259-05:00Auntie Ann said...
"The celtic cross (his ha...Auntie Ann said...<br /><br />"The celtic cross (his has a big tattoo on his left upper arm) is also widely used by supremacists."<br /><br />Has anyone else ever heard this before? This is not the iron cross repo; its totally different.SHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01995326486815143436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17091434825604177992012-08-07T01:42:15.474-05:002012-08-07T01:42:15.474-05:00Doesn't this prove that his band was racist?
...Doesn't this prove that his band was racist?<br /><br />"The white-power music scene is one of the main things that the Hammerskins do in the United States and is a “fairly important part of the white supremacist subculture" in the country, said Pitcavage. Because of Page's role in that music scene, he had already become linked with the Hammerskins through his involvement in bands tied to the group and his performances at their events."<br /><br />"Page became a “fully patched” member of the Hammerskins by late 2011 after going through an apprenticeship period. He had one of their tattoos on his right arm -- a sort of cogwheel with the numbers 838 inside it (838 is an alpha-numeric code that means “hail crossed hammers,” a reference to their logo of two-crossed hammers that was taken from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”), Pitcavage said. The tattoo also had the group’s colors of red, black and yellow."<br /><br />http://goo.gl/ArVyv<br /><br />The fact that the author of this blog and so many commenters are unwilling to acknowledge the truth is very disturbing. The original blog post was well after this information was available -- photos of Page with a white power shirt standing in front of a swastika flag, lyrics from End Apathy and other bands Page was previously involved in, the fact that End Apathy is on a racist record label. Why is the author so intent on playing ignorant to Page's and his band's racism and deriding the SPLC?Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14489380695592633848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46973765162251522142012-08-07T00:19:44.533-05:002012-08-07T00:19:44.533-05:00And the false prophets of modern televaneglism can...And the false prophets of modern televaneglism can't wait to use this to spread hatred against people different from them, in this case atheists. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lyp55wvj50" rel="nofollow">Pat Robertson blames Atheists for Sikh shootings</a>. <br /><br />Yes, yes. By all means, Althouse, lead your minions to attack the SPLC. We have hate groups shooting up congregations and you want to attack those who track and monitor them and play petty political games. And Pat Robertson exploits it to attack atheists. <br /><br />Disgusting.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27990953369576972092012-08-07T00:13:39.277-05:002012-08-07T00:13:39.277-05:00SPLC are the ones reporting on the activities of h...SPLC are the ones reporting on the activities of hate groups. They are the good guys. Of course, the right wing hates them. And Althouse wants to criticize SPLC, not any White Power groups. <br /><br />At what point do you guys pause and consider may you've gotten carried away and lost your bearings? Now you're attacking people who kept an eye on the mass murderer. Perhaps we should listen to them, instead of attacking them? <br /><br />And, yes, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council and the others spread hatred. They do things like try to singling out gays and lesbians and demand they be stripped of equal rights (which equal rights you refer to dishonestly as "special rights"). <br /><br />These anti-gay faux-Christian groups issue statements accusing gays and lesbians of pedophilia. What's more hateful than that? <br /><br />From the Wikipedia page on Hate Groups:<br />"The Southern Poverty Law Center's definition of a "hate group" includes those having beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics."<br /><br />They also list Nation of Islam.<br /><br />Face it, you're on the side of hate. You want to make second class citizens of gays and lesbians. Granted, you haven't called for the pink triangle - yet.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89654979188251753272012-08-06T23:34:53.209-05:002012-08-06T23:34:53.209-05:00Also, it's pretty obvious that the shooter in ...Also, it's pretty obvious that the shooter in this case was someone who was trying to have a big profile among the white supremacist crowd, via his music career (to the extent one can call it a career). So it shouldn't be a surprise that the SPLC would notice him and take note. Given what he did, that taking of notice seems obviously justifiable. <br /><br />And the critics of the SPLC here are simply idiotic. What precisely could the SPLC have done to prevent this crime? And how exactly is taking note of people who are publicly promoting racial hatred and violence, as this person did in his <i>publicly-available and publicly-promoted music</i>, creepy or inappropriate? The buffoons in the peanut gallery criticizing the SPLC here don't have much to answer those questions, or much else to say of any value.somefellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013403004665789644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22112867973367330512012-08-06T23:26:07.198-05:002012-08-06T23:26:07.198-05:00Jim Nicholson says: So, a hate group (SLPC) calls ...Jim Nicholson says: <i>So, a hate group (SLPC) calls the shooter a member of a hate group. Nothing to see here.</i><br /><br />Actually, there's quite a lot to see here. Too bad you aren't sharp enough to notice. <br /><br />Revenant says: <i>I'm hoping that identifying this as a genuine example of neo-Nazi terrorism will make it easier to appropriate classify the various instances of domestic Muslim terrorism. Calling this guy a "terrorist" and the Fort Hood shooter a "lone nut" is a little too obvious in its hypocrisy. Maybe now that white racists are doing it too (or "doing it again", anyway) we can finally call terrorists what they are.</i><br /><br />Agreed, and the same can be said for other politically-motivated killers, like the guy who shot George Tiller. I've never understood why there's an assumption (among some people at least) that terrorism has to be an organized group phenomenon. A single violent actor can be a terrorist, and just saying someone is mentally ill doesn't mean someone ceases to be a terrorist, either.somefellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013403004665789644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37839444898978719452012-08-06T23:18:29.195-05:002012-08-06T23:18:29.195-05:00How is the SPLC a hate group? You guys are silly a...How is the SPLC a hate group? You guys are silly and look ridiculous.<br /><br />You do realize that there is lots of evidence that Page was a white racist?<br /><br />Why is everyone on this site acting as if this isn't true?Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14489380695592633848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53600574550437982962012-08-06T22:54:49.404-05:002012-08-06T22:54:49.404-05:00Coming here I was sure to read many comments from ...Coming here I was sure to read many comments from people who could fit perfectly among the stormfront membership, they just aren't assuming it yet, i have read the pajama media partisan content for years and know all too well the recurring tendentious while fallacious talking points from many among its audience.<br /><br />So yeah the SPLC must be a 'hate group', the celtic cross isn't a well known symbol for skinheads and neo-nazis worldwide, and I do feel for the people here scared to learn that their previous purchases of neo-nazi merchandising may have been monitored, really.Sensi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09119103730923931097noreply@blogger.com