tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3702869594439652440..comments2024-03-19T01:52:00.810-05:00Comments on Althouse: Ending the Capitol protest.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger186125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33288868855185085662011-03-01T10:11:06.490-06:002011-03-01T10:11:06.490-06:00>Article I, §4 Right to assemble and petition. ...>Article I, §4 Right to assemble and petition. Section 4. The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.<br /><br />Oops, I forgot to read the original section of the Constitution. Maybe they do have that right. Please ignore my comment above.MarkChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17502602382103692088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26947204321919737662011-03-01T10:09:22.265-06:002011-03-01T10:09:22.265-06:00>The legislature cannot prohibit an individual ...>The legislature cannot prohibit an individual from entering the capitol or its grounds. 59 Atty. Gen. 8.<br /><br />As always, they're citing the WI Constitution as an authority to justify their actions. But anyone can tell that it says the LEGISLATURE can't shut down the capitol. It doesn't ban the governor from shutting it down!MarkChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17502602382103692088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-949294405103728402011-02-28T15:12:07.107-06:002011-02-28T15:12:07.107-06:00Revenant said...
When I was younger, I predic...<i>Revenant said...<br /><br /> When I was younger, I predicted that eventually we'd see the government collapse -- entrenched interests won't permit change, and our current course is unsustainable. You can't live on your credit card forever.<br /><br /> I got older, and realized things weren't all that bad.<br /><br /> Now I'm older still and wondering if I had it right the first time.</i><br /><br />I kind of had the same sentiment as you did, but now that I'm older, I can clearly see the divide of your younger inclination as it manifests itself today. This isn't going to get better and the seeds of distrust have been planted and are now growing in the chasm between the left and the right. The right will prevail, but the pain involved to get there will be great. The problem is that leftard parasites won't pop themselves off the host body. They can't and I really think they do not know how.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48038586408420544612011-02-28T06:28:16.246-06:002011-02-28T06:28:16.246-06:00I did not say that the filibuster and walking out ...<i>I did not say that the filibuster and walking out of the assembly were the same things. Try to slowly read my words...IN THE END,</i><br /><br />You are saying they are equal.<br /><br />They are not.<br /><br />No matter how you try and preface your comments.<br /><br /><i>the Republicans kept the Congress from enacting legislation.</i><br /><br />Except you can't name any.<br /><br />By the way, we all realize that the ends justify the means to people like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39428921766026722882011-02-28T06:25:57.518-06:002011-02-28T06:25:57.518-06:00Jan said...
Jay...
"dippy broad&quo...<i> Jan said...<br /><br /> Jay...<br /><br /> "dippy broad", "ignorant people", "silly clown" - I didn't call anyone names, but it is the first thing you resort to. Is that because you don't have facts on your side?</i><br /><br />Laugh out loud funny.<br /><br />If I don't have any "facts" then why is it you saying this:<br /><br /><i>As for what they filibustered...try this thing called Google, then settle back for a lot of reading.</i><br /><br />See, you silly kids do that a lot on these blogs.<br /><br />Say "google it"<br /><br />But that isn't an answer and there is a reason you can't provide one. You dippy broad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25203736812119230672011-02-28T05:35:55.435-06:002011-02-28T05:35:55.435-06:00to continue the protests another day...
Over-TIME...to continue the protests another day...<br /><br />Over-TIME!<br /><br />Over-TIME!<br /><br />Over-TIME!<br /><br />Watch how fast the place gets cleaned up once the weather breaks, Spring comes, and these officers are more interested in being outside than inside collecting the generous overtime and being entertained by these liberal hippies...Derve Swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03588383169658816894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86781307293884160222011-02-28T02:08:28.014-06:002011-02-28T02:08:28.014-06:00This is the very thing that conservatives have bee...This is the very thing that conservatives have been railing against for decades. The now shameless takeover by leftards of the entire political structure from the fed down to the state level. It is now clear that the police are siding with their fellow leftard union stooges to protect these public employee parasites because they see their special interests dovetail with each other and yet we are told that this is what democracy looks like? A vapid, sanctimonious, entitled publicly funded protected class, who are being asked to share sacrifice along with their private sector brethren and shriek in unison NO!!!<br /><br />And yet conservatives are the ones that are branded as Nazi's, racists, bigots, homophobes, anti-union, religious zealots who have to endure the constant demonization by the leftards that we conservatives are trying to usurp their rights to collectively bargain while they literally take over the public square of speech and representation while having POTUS endorsement and those we expect to protect and serve literally do that but for their own selfish special interests?<br /><br />Frankly, the question needs to be asked, when will conservatives stop taking a passive aggressive stance to watch these leftards trample over anything resembling democracy or a constitutional representative republic only for themselves while shutting out everyone else. Politicians have given these parasites the keys to the kingdom because it ISN'T THEIR MONEY and they have zero accountability or responsibility for the deals that they have made in states across the country for decades to these public employee union parasites while the rest of the private sector funds these parasites to their own detriment.<br /><br />And when these parasites are asked to contribute in 'shared sacrifice' they scream NO!!! while they dig in their fangs even deeper into the body politic host to sap even more from the rest of us that have had zero say so in how these public union parasites can use our tax dollars for their own personal and political benefits. They use our money to fund themselves and give themselves heightened special interest access for their own special interests within politics and we do not get a say so. This isn't wealth redistribution, this is clear and unadulterated theft and they laugh in our faces about it further doom troop their boots into the necks of the private sector.<br /><br />How much more are we going to endure to the insane demands of these public employee union parasites? The founders are weeping at what they see as their lives, thoughts, and blood wasted at what has become of their Constitutional Republic. Franklin was right, we can't keep it. We can't even pay for it.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60060675793804717102011-02-27T23:32:31.257-06:002011-02-27T23:32:31.257-06:00Jan: First of all, the next time I want to know wh...Jan: <i>First of all, the next time I want to know what it is I'm thinking, I guess I will ask you, since you say you know my thoughts better than I do.</i><br /><br />We both know what game you're playing. You're trying to draw equivalence between a filibuster and fleeing the capitol to thwart a democratic vote, to excuse the latter. You can dress it up however you want, its still bullshit.<br /><br /><i>However, if you look at my original post on this matter, you will see that I said "the end" right at the start. And, Fen, IN THE END, fleeing the capital is the same as a filibuster because it means that legislation does not get passed.</i><br /><br />Yes, you put a nice little bow in it. Its still a bullshit attempt at equivalence. As evidence, I point to the fact that I gave you the opportunity to clarify - to explain that despite THE END result, running away is worse than a filibuster. You took a pass.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65241795940351020072011-02-27T21:56:39.878-06:002011-02-27T21:56:39.878-06:00When I was younger, I predicted that eventually we...When I was younger, I predicted that eventually we'd see the government collapse -- entrenched interests won't permit change, and our current course is unsustainable. You can't live on your credit card forever.<br /><br />I got older, and realized things weren't all that bad.<br /><br />Now I'm older still and wondering if I had it right the first time.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15979191027241925372011-02-27T21:48:51.049-06:002011-02-27T21:48:51.049-06:00Fen...
"Jan: However, my point was that I wa...Fen...<br /><br />"Jan: However, my point was that I was talking about the END...you know, the part where you are dead, and how you got to that condition doesn't matter much at that point.<br /><br />I don't believe that was your point. I think you were trying to say fleeing the capitol to thwart the democratic process is no worse than a fillibuster. Thats a lie, no matter how many convoluted arguments you use to get there."<br /><br />First of all, the next time I want to know what it is I'm thinking, I guess I will ask you, since you say you know my thoughts better than I do.<br /><br />However, if you look at my original post on this matter, you will see that I said "the end" right at the start.<br /><br />And, Fen, IN THE END, fleeing the capital is the same as a filibuster because it means that legislation does not get passed.janmaxwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05985845633537893664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87523471796285844032011-02-27T21:16:57.040-06:002011-02-27T21:16:57.040-06:00Jan: However, my point was that I was talking abou...Jan: <i>However, my point was that I was talking about the END...you know, the part where you are dead, and how you got to that condition doesn't matter much at that point.</i><br /><br />I don't believe that was your point. I think you were trying to say fleeing the capitol to thwart the democratic process is no worse than a fillibuster. Thats a lie, no matter how many convoluted arguments you use to get there.<br /><br />Now, if I've misread you, its an easy fix for you to go on the record saying that fleeing the capitol is not equivalent to a fillibuster...Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67852050144873424922011-02-27T21:12:26.506-06:002011-02-27T21:12:26.506-06:00http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/27/police-wont-b...http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/27/police-wont-boot-protesters-wis-capitol/<br /><br />And I'm sure that the Madison Police will extend an equally warm welcome to all the right-to-lifers in the oh-so-Catholic Midwest who show up to occupy the capital on the next anniversary of Roe v Wade.<br /><br />Shit, Wis. might as well just start renting the place out, because now if every aggrieved group of assholes on the planet don't get equal occupancy rights, Wisconsin gets taken to court.<br /><br />Fire the police --- NOW!YoungHegelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02723316130501823658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57003021566542417712011-02-27T20:58:57.972-06:002011-02-27T20:58:57.972-06:00Where to begin...
Fen -
"Jan: I did not sa...Where to begin...<br /><br />Fen - <br /><br />"Jan: I did not say that the filibuster and walking out of the assembly were the same things. Try to slowly read my words...IN THE END, there is no difference<br /><br />Yes, its such a brilliant remark. Like saying that being murdered by a thug and being executed by the State are no different."<br /><br />Yes...if we are looking at the act, being murdered by the state is definitely different than being murdered by a thug. However, my point was that I was talking about the END...you know, the part where you are dead, and how you got to that condition doesn't matter much at that point.<br /><br />To all those wondering what legislation was not passed...an actual filibuster does not have to occur to wield the power of a filibuster - a word in the hall from McConnell to Harry Reid that a filibuster will occur is no different (in the end) to an actual filibuster. As for the legislation that I would have liked to have seen passed...well, let's use the words of Red State - "They (the Democrats) are angry that they could not railroad through the Senate legislation imposing Card Check, a Public Option for ObamaCare and Climate Change."janmaxwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05985845633537893664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55599105574667647272011-02-27T20:29:30.854-06:002011-02-27T20:29:30.854-06:00It may be as it is in Calif where the Governor has...It may be as it is in Calif where the Governor has no direct power over individual sheriff's depts. What usually exists are various "mutual aid" agreements. If the local agency renigs on the agreement, there may be civil repercussions, to say nothing of the financial & material aid given to locals by the state (which should then stop).<br /><br />If the Capital Police can't handle the problem and local agencies won't assist, then National Guard is the alternative.Roy in Nipomohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320454248932639910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67356952348265945842011-02-27T19:49:20.053-06:002011-02-27T19:49:20.053-06:00That's some beautiful concern trolling Mojo. D...That's some beautiful concern trolling Mojo. Did you have the music from Sarah McLaughlin SPCA commercial going while you typed that?garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50471632136722994242011-02-27T19:43:16.560-06:002011-02-27T19:43:16.560-06:00Jan: I did not say that the filibuster and walking...Jan: <i>I did not say that the filibuster and walking out of the assembly were the same things. Try to slowly read my words...IN THE END, there is no difference</i><br /><br />Yes, its such a brilliant remark. Like saying that being murdered by a thug and being executed by the State are no different.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49548433456012922512011-02-27T19:42:21.554-06:002011-02-27T19:42:21.554-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Chef Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10981901090530845072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35327819341235965722011-02-27T19:40:25.915-06:002011-02-27T19:40:25.915-06:00Let 'em stay. Start charging them camping fees...Let 'em stay. Start charging them camping fees.Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50642512887434428562011-02-27T19:35:39.511-06:002011-02-27T19:35:39.511-06:00BTW@ what laws did the Republicans keep from being...BTW@ what laws did the Republicans keep from being enacted?dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88281543886207767902011-02-27T19:35:28.666-06:002011-02-27T19:35:28.666-06:00I mean, don't you just feel safer entrusting y...I mean, don't you just feel safer entrusting your life and liberty to armed men who only enforce laws and carry out lawful orders when it suits their political proclivities? I mean, imagine if you were a prominent Republican or libertarian and you were being robbed or your house was on fire. Wouldn't you feel better knowing that the Dane County police and fire departments were on duty?!<br /><br />Hooray for public employee unions!Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81676665470636293862011-02-27T19:32:41.647-06:002011-02-27T19:32:41.647-06:00and now it appears the protestors have broken that...<i>and now it appears the protestors have broken that agreement.</i><br /><br />And they wonder why Walker won't put collective bargaining on the table..Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92125744814398720122011-02-27T19:31:03.246-06:002011-02-27T19:31:03.246-06:00@Jan... you're not going to be taken too serio...@Jan... you're not going to be taken too seriously until you can actually produce evidence that something was actually filibustered. None of the major legislation was actually blocked. And I realize you're a leftist, therefore the ends justify the means, but many non-leftists do believe that playing by the rules is important (and filibuster vs cloture is one of those rules).<br /><br />After a quick google search of my own, I'm forced to come to a conclusion. You apparently don't realize there's a difference between delaying using the filibuster, and killing a bill with a filibuster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73304358327683034322011-02-27T19:29:41.390-06:002011-02-27T19:29:41.390-06:00"Me, I wouldn't have taken an order from ..."Me, I wouldn't have taken an order from this shitbag no matter what."<br /><br />THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30667867965378563922011-02-27T19:29:39.050-06:002011-02-27T19:29:39.050-06:00So the police swear to protect and serve only when...So the police swear to protect and serve only when it suits them?<br /><br />Their oath is in quotation marks.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83325944456881548042011-02-27T19:28:40.870-06:002011-02-27T19:28:40.870-06:00Jan,
The difference is that with the filibuster t...Jan,<br /><br />The difference is that with the filibuster the Republicans were doing their job at the place they were sent to do their job. Their highest duty is to the people who elected them to the office and that is what they were doing. The Dems fleeing the state were doing anything but their duty and in fact are threatening to keep on not doing their duty until they get their way no matter what. Big difference.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.com