tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3664042532482700602..comments2024-03-18T20:41:46.283-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger186125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72830831309102876772008-04-11T14:17:00.000-05:002008-04-11T14:17:00.000-05:00Have you used CFLs? long term? My experience was...Have you used CFLs? long term? My experience was that they burned out about the same as - or faster than - incandescents. Why would I want the downsides of the CFLs with no economic benefits?delut6https://www.blogger.com/profile/13132836311627903366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57446911151233337662008-03-28T09:01:00.000-05:002008-03-28T09:01:00.000-05:00I am a Johnson and Johson baby oil man myself. If ...I am a Johnson and Johson baby oil man myself. If you use Crisco, dogs start to follow you home.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17237268666344464102008-03-27T21:41:00.000-05:002008-03-27T21:41:00.000-05:00This discussion has inspired me to take surface st...<I>This discussion has inspired me to take surface streets to my area pastors' lunch, cutting 5 miles off the trip by not taking the interstate.</I><BR/>Which, depending on how much accelerating you had to do for stoplights and traffic, may easily have taken more gasoline than the longer interstate route.<BR/><BR/>Trooper, I recommend Crisco if you're still at it. Transfat is fun whereever it's applied.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49701845953103087972008-03-27T21:36:00.000-05:002008-03-27T21:36:00.000-05:00AlphaLiberal said... No matter how you dress it up...<I>AlphaLiberal said... <BR/>No matter how you dress it up, this is more of the effort to claim a right to pollute. <BR/>There is no such right to pollute. </I><BR/><BR/>That is real shit for brains thinking. <BR/><BR/>All human activity pollutes. Certain things like growing crops, transportation, need of each human to engage in pollution-causing respiration, urination,defecation, the heating of homes and making your way around after sunset with artificial lighting are deemed "essential".<BR/><BR/>So they are legal and sanctioned. <BR/><BR/>They all cause pollution.<BR/><BR/>The shit for brains argument is based on childlike declaratives that sound true to people with arrested development:<BR/><BR/>There is no right to drive a SUV.<BR/>There is no right to eat chickens or cling peaches.<BR/>There is no right to pollute.<BR/>There is no right to heat your house at 72 DEG when you could get by with a family wearing Jimmy Carter cardigan sweaters and limit yourself to 50 DEG.<BR/><BR/>The correct perspective in our society is that we are FREE to do things as we wish, unless proscribed by law. Especially things essential to existence, income, standard of living.<BR/><BR/>****************<BR/>God, I agree with a few posters. The ignorance of Freder and a couple others about energy, power terms and Newtonian Laws of Thermodynamics & Physics is amazing.<BR/>To clueless liberals bent on imposing their energy beliefs on the people that truly understand energy solutions, Bernoulli is a brand of olive oil, not an energy balance equation.<BR/>It gives a hint of why they want 40 million more energy-using, polluting immigrants, but believe our solutions are rejecting all coal, nuclear and going with CFL lightbulbs, blessed solar energy, and magic unicorns that poop out pollution-free energy. Unicorns that will double as our transporation solution by 2100 as we go from hydrocarbon vehicles to riding magic unicorns....<BR/>*********************<BR/>People pushing CFLs do not look at the whole impact on society. <BR/><BR/>1. Human factors engineering has changed out CFL lighting back to regular lighting in businesses that saw a higher absenteeism and lower productivity under harsh CFL light.<BR/><BR/>2. And stores selling goods, clothing, and beauty products made to be seen under natural or incandescent light have dropped CFL.<BR/><BR/>3. Regular lightbulbs are cheaper in about 80-85% of our house's lighting fixtures - where lighting needs tend to be infrequently undertaken. Basement, closet lights, garage, tool crib, outdoor lights, garden shed, guest bedroom. My wife, my kids, and me - who do a lot of reading (daughter involuntarily) - prefer some incandescents on the remaining 15%. <BR/>4. Lighbulb energy conservation is an absolutely trivial pursuit of (1) ending our reliance on oil<BR/>(2) fighting global warming. <BR/><BR/>a. Oil has virtually no role in US electric power generation.<BR/>b. Lighting is a small fraction of anyone's power bill, and if they amout to 10%, and your monthly bill is 100 doallers going to twice as efficient CFLs does not save you 5 dollars, because half your electricity bill is unrelated to use - it is transmission and distribution and capital investment recouping cost.<BR/>c. The actual domestic lighting national requirement is so low as a function of net electric use that three CO-2 free nuke plants are adequate to cover all America's domestic electric lighting load. Regular or CFL. With no real pollution if used nuclear fuel (99% recyclable) is reprocessed (the one form of recycling environmentalists want forbidden).<BR/>d. One extraneous shopping trip or "indulgent road trip to the beach" or so, uses more energy, in the form of irreplacable oil, than an environmental zealot/Nanny State believer saves proudly converting his whole house, inc refrigerator light, to the politically correct CFLs.<BR/>****************<BR/><I>Pogo said... <BR/>Does it not strike anyone else as ludicrous or even insane that we should require federal legislation to permit us to buy the kind of light bulbs we wish to buy?</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah. Sanctimonous cocksuckers and physics-ignorant idiots like Freder abound.<BR/>Another solution that would really piss them off would be going back to kerosene or natural gas lighting, throwing in highly radioactive thorium mantles just tossed in the trash as added vexation. Nice warm light, less efficient than incandescents. Can't be banned without banning nat gas or kerosene and the lamps are a cake to build...<BR/><BR/>Then there is Dust Bunny's tubload of transfat death, Crisco. May she stick a wick in a few cans of the used stuff and invite a few of her "government meddler" friends over for a nice fried dinner.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35187574169386881742008-03-27T20:10:00.000-05:002008-03-27T20:10:00.000-05:00Al Gore said people who question global warming ar...Al Gore said people who question global warming are equivalent to flat Earthers. Well I question <I>his answer</I> to man-made global warming and I know for certain the Earth isn't flat. It's bumpy.Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55999592954665475752008-03-27T19:16:00.000-05:002008-03-27T19:16:00.000-05:00Original Mike: Is the long life of CFLs a myth?The...Original Mike: <I>Is the long life of CFLs a myth?</I><BR/><BR/>The first modern CFLs (the twisty ones) I purchased at Sam's Club a few years back each lasted about a month. I don't remember who made them, but a month isn't even close to the break-even point.<BR/><BR/>The next time I bought CFLs, I kept the receipt, which I have right here. All three are Sylvania 23W Full Spectrum bulbs, all three purchased at Menards on 10/09/06, all installed into the same ceiling fan fixture within days of purchase (the same fixture in which the previous CFLs died prematurely in), and all are still working. They are warrantied for 7 years.Michael The Magnificenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03820094319077676224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55339019240944339672008-03-27T17:49:00.000-05:002008-03-27T17:49:00.000-05:00"Make sure you have water nearby. Don't want to ca..."Make sure you have water nearby. Don't want to catch the couch on fire."<BR/><BR/>Not to worry, I have a slow hand.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85205715442167743512008-03-27T17:42:00.000-05:002008-03-27T17:42:00.000-05:00I would do it but I have my hands full reviewing T...<I>I would do it but I have my hands full reviewing Traci Lords videos. Well at least one hand full.</I><BR/><BR/>Well instead of falling rocks, perhaps we can ask Freder how much heat is generated....oh never mind.<BR/><BR/>Make sure you have water nearby. Don't want to catch the couch on fire.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44479108762578163332008-03-27T17:27:00.000-05:002008-03-27T17:27:00.000-05:00MadisonMan: How can I mention devo and not link to...MadisonMan: <I>How can I mention devo and not link to the video?</I><BR/><BR/>Dude, you rock!<BR/><BR/>"Devo took its name from their concept of "de-evolution" - the idea that instead of evolving, mankind has actually regressed, as evidenced by the dysfunction and herd mentality of American society. Their music echoed this view of society as rigid, repressive, and mechanical..."<BR/><BR/>And quite appropriate, too, given the subject.Michael The Magnificenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03820094319077676224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79451251571544523752008-03-27T17:08:00.000-05:002008-03-27T17:08:00.000-05:00"I have my hands full with Freder and freshman phy..."I have my hands full with Freder and freshman physics."<BR/><BR/>I would do it but I have my hands full reviewing Traci Lords videos. Well at least one hand full.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21734781338587455272008-03-27T16:57:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:57:00.000-05:00blake asked: By the way, is no one (else) gonna ca...blake asked: <I>By the way, is no one (else) gonna call Alpha Liberal on his "Climate Progress" horsehockey?</I><BR/><BR/>I have my hands full with Freder and freshman physics.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50352440335262414272008-03-27T16:27:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:27:00.000-05:00I'm almost positive that Crisco has already been r...I'm almost positive that Crisco has already been reformulated and contains no trans fats. It has made no difference in the cookies I bake, near as I can tell.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You're correct of course. I'm buying up the store generic brand of shortening which is still transfat. Probably doesn't make any difference, but its the principle of the thing. In the depression, they used bacon grease in place of butter for cookies. Sounds bad. Tastes good.<BR/><BR/>The reasons that I dislike fluorescents is nothing to with the cost of the bulbs but has to do with practicality.<BR/><BR/>1. CFLs don't turn on quickly in cold weather and sometimes not at all. I don't want to wait 3 minutes after turning on the porch light to see if it is a skunk or a mountain lion or just my cat outside.<BR/><BR/>2. I use incandescents to keep the pipes in my pump house and workshop from freezing in the winter. A 40 watt bulb on near the floor or near the pipes does the trick. If not that then an expensive and wasteful pumphouse electric heater.<BR/><BR/>3. There is no place to dispose of the hazardous bulbs within a 200 mile radius of my area. No collection facility. Nowhere! Used CFLs will end up in the trash and right into the local landfill. Pollution and wasteful again.<BR/><BR/>4. And most importantly the light is obnoxious. Colors look horrible, nauseatingly ugly. Many of the bulbs have a flicker that gives me a migraine.<BR/><BR/>And yes. I do wish they would bring back lead paint. The paint has better color qualities, dries better and goes on smoother. People just need to teach their children not to eat the walls and exercise some supervision over their own children and their environment (crappy peeling cribs). Lead based paint is not dangerous when used as intended ..AS PAINT. Why should it be everyone's fault because some people are irresponsible.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13341429444562280127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77628472509794023182008-03-27T16:21:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:21:00.000-05:00I trust with ABC and NPR and other left-leaning, A...I trust with ABC and NPR and other left-leaning, AGW-sympathetic outlets in my citations, that I won't be accused of being an oil-company shill.<BR/><BR/>(Though, if any oil companies want to throw a few million my way, I'll put together a simulation that shows that the vacuum created by drilling oil is filled by pure love from Mother Earth.)blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89851166239746201412008-03-27T16:20:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:20:00.000-05:00By the way, is no one (else) gonna call Alpha Libe...By the way, is no one (else) gonna call Alpha Liberal on his "Climate Progress" horsehockey?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html" REL="nofollow">The earth stopped warming in 1998.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025" REL="nofollow">The oceans are not showing any signs of warming over the past five years, in contradiction to the predictions made by AGW proponents.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher+Basic+Greenhouse+Equations+Totally+Wrong/article10973.htm" REL="nofollow">The calculations used in predicting global warming assumed infinitely thick atmosphere. (Corrected calculations are far more predictive than the doomsday one.)</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://winds.jpl.nasa.gov/publications/shelf_melting.cfm" REL="nofollow">The various ice shelf issues are cyclical and natural.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98113&page=1" REL="nofollow">And Antarctic ice is thickening at record rates.</A>blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9702417226286178192008-03-27T16:13:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:13:00.000-05:00You can always get out of the game, Anjin-san.You can always get out of the game, Anjin-san.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53123450889762521162008-03-27T16:09:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:09:00.000-05:00I'm torn by my desire to stick it to the DWP and m...I'm torn by my desire to stick it to the DWP and my desire to stick it to Nature.<BR/><BR/>Although, I will agree with Pastor Jeff, et al: The CFLs I have used have not been especially long-lived, and when they come out of the package busted, it hurts a lot more: You have to take them back or eat the $10, versus tossing a 40-cent bulb in the trash.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42221767621401925192008-03-27T16:02:00.000-05:002008-03-27T16:02:00.000-05:00freder has been mucking around the 3 laws of therm...freder has been mucking around the 3 laws of thermodynamics. <BR/>For the non-technical these are:<BR/>1 You can't win<BR/>2 You can't break even<BR/>3 You can't get out of the game<BR/><BR/>Kinda like dealing with the government.<BR/><BR/>My offer to become the Federal Office of CFL Compliance czar is still open.chuckRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11116989548864110362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20011580845562231032008-03-27T15:57:00.000-05:002008-03-27T15:57:00.000-05:00No, Mike, not at all. Nonscientists will use scien...No, Mike, not at all. Nonscientists will use science, pseudoscience, and total bs to pass laws that are simply an extension of their own will dominating over others. Power-craving scientists will also do this.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85286070539429217252008-03-27T15:24:00.000-05:002008-03-27T15:24:00.000-05:00My understanding is that the people behind this b...My understanding is that the people behind this ban are the greens, of course, and the <I>light bulb manufacturers</I>. They're going to make a killing.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49940928914919622112008-03-27T15:13:00.000-05:002008-03-27T15:13:00.000-05:00Pogo, surely you're not calling Freder a scientist...Pogo, surely you're not calling Freder a scientist are you? I can assure you, he is not.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74260981485231020782008-03-27T15:11:00.000-05:002008-03-27T15:11:00.000-05:00Does it not strike anyone else as ludicrous or eve...Does it not strike anyone else as ludicrous or even insane that we should require federal legislation to permit us to buy the kind of light bulbs we wish to buy?KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77541197546027839702008-03-27T15:05:00.000-05:002008-03-27T15:05:00.000-05:00You can argue about how many watts can dance on th...You can argue about how many watts can dance on the head of a pin until my eyes bleed, it still does nothing to explain <I>why the State should have the power to make this decision for me</I>.<BR/><BR/>That's the bullshit meat of this bullshit issue.<BR/><BR/>Criminey, but I want to stick a poker in the next scientist who thinks that because he can prove the "best" way to skin a cat that <I>he wants to legislate his will into existence</I>.<BR/><BR/>And by what right do you make that decision, or any decision, for me?KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-814345215019955322008-03-27T14:55:00.000-05:002008-03-27T14:55:00.000-05:00See this is where I get myself in trouble. I miss...See this is where I get myself in trouble. I misstated the concept of entropy and equated it with the true destruction of energy. It is not. <BR/><BR/>What I should have said that every time energy is released, entropy increases, and the energy of a system available for useful work is lost.Freder Fredersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01498410102809290399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60903364874737898002008-03-27T14:49:00.000-05:002008-03-27T14:49:00.000-05:00Your propensity to bullshit knows no bounds, does ...<I>Your propensity to bullshit knows no bounds, does it?</I><BR/><BR/>Actually Mike I think he was mocking you.<BR/><BR/>That's the only conclusion I can come to after reading that.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64874431466990404732008-03-27T14:42:00.000-05:002008-03-27T14:42:00.000-05:00Actually, a little energy (an unmeasurable amount ...<I>Actually, a little energy (an unmeasurable amount in almost all terrestial events except perhaps nuclear explosions) has been lost to entropy<BR/><BR/>Your propensity to bullshit knows no bounds, does it?</I><BR/><BR/>"A man's got to know his limitations" -- Dirty Harryformer law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.com