tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3589739280101197377..comments2024-03-18T23:08:20.960-05:00Comments on Althouse: Live-blogging night 2 of the Republican Convention.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger577125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49890213234723124382008-09-03T13:06:00.000-05:002008-09-03T13:06:00.000-05:00I'm a vegetarian. Guess what, Palin? "Anti-Sex-Ed ...<I>I'm a vegetarian. Guess what, Palin? "Anti-Sex-Ed = Pregnant teen in shotgun marriage."</I><BR/><BR/>So you're protein deficient. Probably explains the inability to deal with facts. Such as the fact that Bristol Palin went to public school and received standard Sex Ed, including instructions on contraceptive use.Liberal Imperialisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09864710322373319341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57725623084860757002008-09-03T08:27:00.000-05:002008-09-03T08:27:00.000-05:00what's sad to me is how mccain - a senator i used ...<EM>what's sad to me is how mccain - a senator i used to really admire (and you all used to smear in the most despicable fashion) - is destroying his reputation to please the religious right.</EM><BR/><BR/>Funny stuff!<BR/><BR/>So what is your excuse for no longer respecting Lieberman. Is he now a tool of the neo-conservatives? <BR/><BR/>It never stops.Sloanasaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15787488302564761993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83731578757415601122008-09-03T08:11:00.000-05:002008-09-03T08:11:00.000-05:00ummm--HD: I certainly agree that being a POW does ...ummm--HD: I certainly agree that being a POW does not prepare you to be president; in fact, I think Fred Thompson said that very thing. Now is John McCain "milking" is POW experience; probably so but unfortunately this country has fixation on POWs (which is fairly recent going back only to the Viet Nam war). However, that the political reality, so better learn to accept it. <BR/><BR/>Oh--other big things he has done? Are are either totally uinformed or willfully obtuse. You must have overlooked his time in the House and Senate for the last thirty years. About five times the length of public service as Obama. How about that McCain-Feingold thing? You surely werent serious were you? (BTW--McCain-Feingold is as abomination, but SCOTUS felt it passed muster.)Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31358597836123439302008-09-03T07:29:00.000-05:002008-09-03T07:29:00.000-05:00"Okay, well this thread is going from totally mahh..."Okay, well this thread is going from totally mahhhhvellous to possibly retarded."<BR/><BR/>Possibly?<BR/><BR/>I'm avoiding the Palin threads until at least after her speech tonight. Way too many trolls and way too many people feeding the trolls.<BR/><BR/>Although I do wonder. Are these people on the Obama staff? Do they get paid for what they do on this and other message boards? That can't be an effective spending of money. And if they are volunteers, again, it is not an effective use of resources. I know if you asked a campaign if they would want someone to spend hours fighting in the comments section of some blog or to spend hours working in the local offices of their campaign, the decision should be easily the latter.EnigmatiCorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00596092527748619763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44142916876193162052008-09-03T07:02:00.000-05:002008-09-03T07:02:00.000-05:00Just shows the campany Obama keeps, doesn't it. Hi...<I>Just shows the campany Obama keeps, doesn't it. His proponents are trying to terrorize us with the threats of violence.</I><BR/><BR/>Yup. And just guess who will be running Obama's mandatory work camps.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91685309900827624832008-09-03T06:59:00.000-05:002008-09-03T06:59:00.000-05:00I'm a vegetarian. Guess what, Palin? "Anti-Sex-Ed ...<I>I'm a vegetarian. Guess what, Palin? "Anti-Sex-Ed = Pregnant teen in shotgun marriage."</I><BR/><BR/>Sex ed also= Pregnant teen in shotgun marriage. So whats your point?<BR/><BR/><I>Fuck off.</I><BR/><BR/>That you chose to be a vegetarian to compensate for all the babies killed in your pursuit of casual sex?<BR/><BR/>Hows that going for you? Feel good about yourself yet?Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1631669859834445482008-09-03T06:44:00.000-05:002008-09-03T06:44:00.000-05:00"To Democrats, there is no cause worth actually fi...<I>"To Democrats, there is no cause worth actually fighting for. There is only the eternal hope of being loved..."</I><BR/><BR/>Just thought that bore repeating. Great quote, John.Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3364757310122419002008-09-03T06:41:00.000-05:002008-09-03T06:41:00.000-05:00I agree that McCain's POW time was extraordinary. ...I agree that McCain's POW time was extraordinary. Now would someone please explain how being a POW and essentially loosing his mind is a credential for President?<BR/><BR/>What other big thing has he done? Just curious. If the GeeOPee'rs have to trot out that same song and give it as a prelude to any question/answer posed, then this will be the most boring candidate ever.<BR/><BR/>Q. Mr. McCain, what would you do about healthcare?<BR/>A. Well I had a lot of time to think about health care when I was a POW.<BR/>Q. Mr. McCain, what do you think about the continued pay differential between men and women?<BR/>A. As a former POW and torture victim, I can relate....<BR/><BR/>Endless saga...endless.hdhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14573004614816464571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8558922013624705802008-09-03T06:35:00.000-05:002008-09-03T06:35:00.000-05:00I am compelled to post this disclaimer. I, Michae...I am compelled to post this disclaimer. <BR/><BR/>I, Michael_H, am not any of the other posters whose name includes some form of the word 'michael'.<BR/><BR/>Especially the annoying 'michaels'.<BR/><BR/>Nor am I posting under any other name in addition to Michael_H, especially those "men" who delight in slapping around a 17 year old pregnant girl. Assholes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72521651158288933912008-09-03T05:55:00.000-05:002008-09-03T05:55:00.000-05:00not the prettiest thread I ever read, but some rea...not the prettiest thread I ever read, but some real gems amongst the muck. This Palin thing will have blown over by the first of next weekend--The dems simply threw everything they could against her in the most egregious of manner--Tactically, they fired all their artillery and will soon be out of rounds. Palin was wise to wait, because she will be center stage tonite and can respond if she chooses.<BR/><BR/>The only thing left for the dems now is to continue to recycle these rumors, but each one keeps getting swatted away.<BR/><BR/>I am much more interested in the response of Barack Obama--he condemned these things but only in the mildest of terms--for me, it was a test of moral leadership; and he failed and failed miserably. Clearly he cannot control the fringes of his party and that means he will have absolutely no control of the bureacracy he, god forbid, might lead. He remains a blank slate characterized only by overarching ambition. <BR/><BR/>The dust will settle after the round of Sunday talk shows this weekend, and the campaign will begin in earnest. This democratic party is truly the McCarthyites and their conduct, along with their running dogs who comprise the MSM, have done American a genuine disservice.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89035385779041473552008-09-03T05:51:00.000-05:002008-09-03T05:51:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13421539757549632702008-09-03T04:48:00.000-05:002008-09-03T04:48:00.000-05:00vbspurs said... ... BTW, Brit Hume quoted an Afric...vbspurs said... <BR/>... BTW, Brit Hume quoted an African-American columnist, Fatimah Ali, of the Philly Daily News.<BR/><BR/>Commenting on the now full Republican ticket, she made a not so subtle threat, couched in prediction terms, in case Obama isn't elected.<BR/>...<BR/><BR/>If she's not careful, she can be legitimising the impulse for people to burn cars on November 5th, in case her Obama wish doesn't come true.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoria<BR/><BR/>Just shows the campany Obama keeps, doesn't it. His proponents are trying to terrorize us with the threats of violence. Nice job, Ms Ali.Many Faces Of NORIKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10539048091869581348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24684372122169826812008-09-03T03:43:00.000-05:002008-09-03T03:43:00.000-05:00The dims are making all this noise about Palin's d...The dims are making all this noise about Palin's daughter to cover up up the fact that one of Biden's son is neck deep in a fraud scandal along with Biden's brother. The bloviating hair plug can't control his family either. By the way, why is the Chosen One's brother living on a buck a day? At least the Palin's stick by their own.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of treason and succession, wasn't Jefferson Davis a democrat?<BR/><BR/>If the bloviating hair plug were to die, who would be the president? Isn't the hair plug a bit too reckless with his choice for president?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5030782971799216302008-09-03T03:02:00.000-05:002008-09-03T03:02:00.000-05:00Right!I have a dad who goes to sleep at 9 PM (no, ...Right!<BR/><BR/>I have a dad who goes to sleep at 9 PM (no, his name isn't GW Bush), so even midnight is late for some. ;)vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43263335283914193352008-09-03T02:58:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:58:00.000-05:00I figured you meant Jackson.It's not really a big ...I figured you meant Jackson.<BR/><BR/>It's not really a big deal for me to be up; it's three hours earlier here....blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91564585460634157112008-09-03T02:54:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:54:00.000-05:00/Jackson./Jackson.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13461536351818667882008-09-03T02:53:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:53:00.000-05:00Hey, Blake. Fancy you up. :)Carter counts. Truman ...Hey, Blake. Fancy you up. :)<BR/><BR/>Carter counts. Truman counts. Andrew Johnson too. And of course, Andrew Johnson.<BR/><BR/>Lincoln would count, except he married up and his rail-splitting ways had been given a veneer of gentility.<BR/><BR/>Look, Reagan was the son of an ititerant shoe salesman, and Irish-American drunkard. He was a man of the people too, as was Clinton. Ford wasn't from the elite either. But by the time they got to 1600, they seemed more polished or educated than the ones I listed.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90800399196930778012008-09-03T02:48:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:48:00.000-05:00Think of it this way, Victoria: How often do Ameri...Think of it this way, Victoria: How often do Americans actually get to elect one of their own?<BR/><BR/>First time I can recall.<BR/><BR/>Unless, maybe Carter counts.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46970277709896439062008-09-03T02:44:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:44:00.000-05:00I know everyone has gone to bed, and probably didn...I know everyone has gone to bed, and probably didn't read my reply above about Americans maybe not being such champions of the Common Man as thought, but this is what I mean.<BR/><BR/>From a Fox News exposé on Alaskan politics:<BR/><BR/><I>Stevens may have deep ethics issues. But his electoral problems could pale compared with electoral issues facing the state’s lone congressman, Republican Rep. Don Young.<BR/><BR/>Even his Republican colleagues agree that Young is one of the most cantankerous members of the House. He roosts in a chair toward the back of the House chamber and shouts catcalls at fellow members during votes. He heckles the presiding officer when he or she makes a parliamentary ruling he doesn’t agree with. Last year, Young even threatened fellow Republican Rep. Scott Garrett, N.J., on the floor.<BR/><BR/>“Those who bite me will be bitten back,” excoriated Young.<BR/><BR/>During one debate, Young even wielded the pubic bone of a walrus on the House floor.</I><BR/><BR/>A pubic bone from a FRIKKIN walrus? Are you kidding me?!<BR/><BR/>I can hear Democrats now.<BR/><BR/>But you know, even generations ago this attitude might've been folksy, and somewhat winked at, but it was still not encouraged from legislators.<BR/><BR/>It's crass. The story is messy. We expect better from our politicians.<BR/><BR/>We want them to represent us, but with that honour comes a subtle expectation for leaders to be better than us.<BR/><BR/>Else why are they leading us?<BR/><BR/>I grew up with this anti-populist attitude. I reject it.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36817702181837399522008-09-03T02:21:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:21:00.000-05:00What has caused this? Is it the internet, that du...<I>What has caused this? Is it the internet, that dubious channel of our discourse? Is it the crazed partisanship that has grown up since Vietnam, fueled by, among other things, boomer-driven "new journalism?" Is it the general coarsening of our culture?</I><BR/><BR/>Theo, more commentary on your fantastic reply (wow, you, John and Peter made wading through this mucky thread worthwhile).<BR/><BR/>I don't know the answer.<BR/><BR/>I tend to think, like you, that this "Here comes everybody" technology-driven communications expansion has made it easier for the chatter to increase, and the level of the chatter to be vicious with the weakening of social norms after the 60s.<BR/><BR/>But the populist chatter was also, tellingly, the case after Pamphleteers starting printing their penny-sheet screeds.<BR/><BR/>I think few Presidents have been so slandered and reviled in their day, as Andrew Jackson.<BR/><BR/>You'll notice that he too was one of those "Man of the People" types which I likened Palin to earlier.<BR/><BR/>When all is said and done, the egalitarian Americans shockingly resemble many elitists. Oh, the American public may say they want the common man to advance in society, to become President.<BR/><BR/>But is that really true? <BR/><BR/>Isn't it more correct to say we want a man (or woman) to come from humble roots, because it speaks well of our self-perpetuating narrative, but they do not want them to act in a rough or common way?<BR/><BR/>We also like candidates to have a solid educational background.<BR/><BR/>In the days when University degrees were unusual -- even then American Presidents invariably had higher education degrees.<BR/><BR/>But after the GI Bill, ironically, when University degrees were accessible, an Ivy League education became even more a statement of excellence.<BR/><BR/>In America, anything is possible -- but I see that person with a degree from a Community College would find it near impossible to become US President. <BR/><BR/>Palin is so easily dismissed because she went to the University of Idaho. That's sad.<BR/><BR/>I find that the Democratic Party is a party of self-hating. Not just to be American, but not to really want to understand, not to mention "celebrate" (odious word) the common man.<BR/><BR/>It's like the Clintonian BoBo culture, where everything is Starbuckified, urban and upwardly mobile, is where all Americans should be.<BR/><BR/>And some are still very happy to be at Denny's.<BR/><BR/>I feel some Democrats, exemplified by Senator Obama, cannot relate to a person like Sarah Palin, with her rural, just-folks background of self-reliance and grit.<BR/><BR/>Because by every piece of logic we know about American political history, a woman like Sarah Palin should by rights be Democratic.<BR/><BR/>A woman. Blue-collar. Non-elite.<BR/><BR/>Tell me why she's a Republican, and I'll tell you why the Democrats lose Presidential elections.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoriavbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85602761405166955242008-09-03T02:09:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:09:00.000-05:00Victoria, Host, thanks for the kudos. Host, from y...Victoria, Host, thanks for the kudos. <BR/><BR/>Host, from your 1:32 comment: <I>But the line should reasonably be drawn at attacking other posters or even Ann herself.</I> <BR/><BR/>Is that a standard you wish to hold for yourself? <BR/><BR/>I realize that the whole Palinoscopy has made a lot of people leave their comfort zones. <BR/><BR/>Trolls suck. They suck the life and civility out of the salon that is Althouse. <BR/><BR/>A couple regulars have resorted to calling people names -- not terribly unusual, but recently, some of them are using slurs that are a bit beyond the pale. Not that I'm a shrinking violet, but there's a point where cussing is only effective at pointing out the limitations or frustrations of the person employing those words. <BR/><BR/>I've been tempted, but I post knowing that I'm attaching my real name to everything I write. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, I think we'd all be better served if we dropped the anonymity, but I realize that's not going to happen. <BR/><BR/>Free people are free to make free choices about exercising their right to free speech. God bless America. <BR/><BR/>Now STFU. <BR/><BR/>JK :-)Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82228942858242399692008-09-03T02:05:00.000-05:002008-09-03T02:05:00.000-05:00this guy has been demanding i write him an essay o...this guy has been demanding i write him an essay on the topic of his choosing at the time of his choosing all night long, never getting the hint that i was ignoring him and don't give a shit what he's saying to me. but you say i'm the troll. fuck off. i can post my opinion just like anyone else, which is all i've ever done. sorry if i attacked simon, the pretentious little twit who always tries and write like a judge in mere message boardsm and kept calling me a "liar" for saying mccain did minimal vetting of palin and then said the new york times can't be believed when their reporting proved him wrong. <BR/><BR/>palin's going down the tubes. post what you like. i don't care. what's sad to me is how mccain - a senator i used to really admire (and you all used to smear in the most despicable fashion) - is destroying his reputation to please the religious right.LoafingOafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398399168775034527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19828654306390348582008-09-03T01:59:00.000-05:002008-09-03T01:59:00.000-05:00You're the troll, Loafing. Now stop wasting our ti...You're the troll, Loafing. Now stop wasting our time.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37511298871447113602008-09-03T01:58:00.000-05:002008-09-03T01:58:00.000-05:00Let us not assassinate this woman further, you blo...<I>Let us not assassinate this woman further, you bloggers and members of the media. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, all of you, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?</I><BR/><BR/>Theo, wow! You channelled my forthcoming post on this, when I was going to use the words used against Senator McCarthy about this situation.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17237015159533212102008-09-03T01:55:00.000-05:002008-09-03T01:55:00.000-05:00like i said, host. you're a troll. stick one of pa...like i said, host. you're a troll. stick one of palin's mooseburgers up your ass.LoafingOafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398399168775034527noreply@blogger.com