tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3483190567167711327..comments2024-03-28T01:44:47.253-05:00Comments on Althouse: "The statue by Thomas Ball depicts a Black man, shirtless and on his knees, in front of a clothed and standing Abraham Lincoln."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15112097369245726572021-01-01T10:00:45.795-06:002021-01-01T10:00:45.795-06:00"And generations later the wound is healed en...<i>"And generations later the wound is healed enough that such statues are looked at the way we look at other historic stuff."</i><br /><br />Was this from an essay you wrote in 8th grade?Jack Klompushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09340428143936236445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75946424903935971872020-12-31T15:57:49.405-06:002020-12-31T15:57:49.405-06:00Readering...you are usually more up front and dire...Readering...you are usually more up front and direct. I do not understand your comment, 'the way we look at other historic stuff.' <br /><br />How do we look at other historic stuff? I've been pondering how our 2 sides have become so split. I think you hinted at it here, but the fact that we are so split, I don't understand you. <br /><br />BTW...if you are LGBT...no, I'm not going to pay you to 'educate' me.Hercules, not that one thoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741704032573869808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35793007635721930562020-12-31T00:59:08.609-06:002020-12-31T00:59:08.609-06:00And generations later the wound is healed enough t...And generations later the wound is healed enough that such statues are looked at the way we look at other historic stuff.Readeringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13034960201047882549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14061580404441630602020-12-30T21:41:19.759-06:002020-12-30T21:41:19.759-06:00Oh, Readering, are you the one who always calls fo...Oh, Readering, are you the one who always calls for healing the wound, and then ripping off the scab, when the wound begins to heal. <br /><br />Africans were brought to America as slaves. Their life trajectory with Europeans has been one of triumph. Africans were taught to read the Holy Bible. Africans saw their own story in Exodus and called out to Jesus to 'swing low, sweet chariot, comin' for to carry me home.' <br /><br />A cataclysm of faith erupted between brothers in a war that rent this continent, and the world. Jesus won. Slaves throughout the millenia, HERE slaves were freed.<br /><br />I understand that a statue would be created to commemorate the freeing of the slaves. <br /><br />I also understand that generations later, the descendants of slaves would not want to be portrayed as the shine box kid.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Hercules, not that one thoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741704032573869808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26774063232296465812020-12-30T21:09:14.744-06:002020-12-30T21:09:14.744-06:00Hope they put it back some day.Hope they put it back some day.Readeringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13034960201047882549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9045569356540665092020-12-30T21:02:53.414-06:002020-12-30T21:02:53.414-06:00There was a mafia movie with Joe Pesci as a stone ...There was a mafia movie with Joe Pesci as a stone cold killer. Maybe it was 'Goodfellas'. Anyway, the story was that Pesci was a shine-box kid when he was young. He became a gangster. Some older gangster met up with Pesci's character in a bar, and reminded him of when he was a shoe-shine boy.<br /><br />Pesci's character was no longer a shine-box boy. He didn't like to be reminded of it.<br /><br />Personally, I have no problem with folks today not wanting a statue of a slave kneeling before Abraham Lincoln. <br />Hercules, not that one thoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741704032573869808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52444286605713074602020-12-30T16:53:31.469-06:002020-12-30T16:53:31.469-06:00It’s too bad there was not a real definitive black...It’s too bad there was not a real definitive black led slave rebellion that let them kill the slaveholders. You don’t value a gift, you value what you worked for. I know there were black troops, not the same as self initiated rebellion. But I am sure that black troops that fought had a different perspective and attitude.Josephbleauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407587570806062403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30280180827105811502020-12-30T16:28:21.702-06:002020-12-30T16:28:21.702-06:00"Or maybe he's about to give Abraham Linc...<i>"Or maybe he's about to give Abraham Lincoln a blow-job. NTTAWWT."</i><br /><br />Except it's Lincoln, not Clinton or Obama.Joe Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691714715049323034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20070396227030830292020-12-30T16:14:57.455-06:002020-12-30T16:14:57.455-06:00It would be a fine statue of Lincoln if just the n...It would be a fine statue of Lincoln if just the negro was removed.<br />That should pacify everyone. No need to get rid of the entire thing.Bunkypotatoheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02488905052143725904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6037231092147776832020-12-30T16:12:08.824-06:002020-12-30T16:12:08.824-06:00Big Mike said...Northeastern Illinois University s...Big Mike said...<i>Northeastern Illinois University solves the problem with a plaque that dedicates their Frank Lloyd Wright building to "honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln - Democrat." Which would surprise most American historians.</i><br /><br />Back in the 70's I did a year of college work study in Humboldt Park with two seniors from Northeastern Illinois. Both were illiterate. They were also big time slackers. I always suspected that they wound up in mid-level government jobs.Francisco Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06352134756750456783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51905431624390934992020-12-30T14:36:42.415-06:002020-12-30T14:36:42.415-06:00Should've added that it must drive George Will...Should've added that it must drive George Will nuts to have capital-W White in his columns. He's been fighting this idiocy since he was in grad school. Michelle Dulak Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18041391162535875301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26696744226153900462020-12-30T14:35:14.305-06:002020-12-30T14:35:14.305-06:00Fernandinande,
The Whappoo capitalized "Whit...Fernandinande,<br /><br /><i>The Whappoo capitalized "White": Threat or menace?</i><br /><br />The WaPo decided to capitalize both Black and White always, maybe four months ago. They are still in a quandary about Brown (too many peoples? The same would go for both black and white, had they thought to look), and we have so far not seen the same logic applied to LGBTQ++, though I'd bet that one's coming. Michelle Dulak Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18041391162535875301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67098255781064003782020-12-30T13:53:37.182-06:002020-12-30T13:53:37.182-06:00Boston artist Tory Bullock, who started the petiti...<i>Boston artist Tory Bullock, who started the petition, described it this way: 'I’ve been watching this man on his knees since I was a kid. It’s supposed to represent freedom but instead represents us still beneath someone else. </i><br /><br />Every single person in this country owes their freedoms to someone else - I didn't fight the British or write the Declaration of Independence, I owe my freedom to those who did, and to those who fought over the ensuing 244 years to maintain it. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that one's situation was made better through the actions of another. Slaves were horribly mistreated, but that doesn't mean that non-slaves in America didn't contribute mightily to the ending of slavery, and it would be foolish to ignore that. Some may think of this as "white savior complex," but without those white saviors slavery would not have ended in 1863.<br /><br /> tommyesqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10101999223643241303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79489501824731323452020-12-30T13:09:22.467-06:002020-12-30T13:09:22.467-06:00"If he’s free, why is he still on his knees?&..."If he’s free, why is he still on his knees?"<br /><br />This is how you know folks like this are full of shit because actually, he's not on his knee<i>s</i>Skippy Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16045429067276168585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69388856976416125932020-12-30T13:08:31.394-06:002020-12-30T13:08:31.394-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Skippy Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16045429067276168585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60821086258427640152020-12-30T12:42:33.540-06:002020-12-30T12:42:33.540-06:00You know, you shoot down this utter BS, and here i...You know, you shoot down this utter BS, and here it still gets regurgitated again and again. AA demands that we have new conversations, but then she posts this nonsense and we go round and round again chasing our tails.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58530812099866916392020-12-30T12:33:48.024-06:002020-12-30T12:33:48.024-06:00The black worship thing we’re going thru is incred...<i>The black worship thing we’re going thru is incredibly fucking stupid.</i><br /><br />Every generation discovers the negro. (and are outraged that they have been a secret for so long)<br /><br />They then erase the past so they can be joyously discovered again.eddie willershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624004872700778288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31654943483402064892020-12-30T12:25:31.992-06:002020-12-30T12:25:31.992-06:00The Emancipation and Anti-Slavery societies from 1...The Emancipation and Anti-Slavery societies from 1787 on used a badge based on a design by Josiah Wedgewood. This showed a kneeling slave with hands uplifted and the saying "Am I Not a Man and a Brother." Picture at: https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_596365<br />And I believe this statue referred to that badge - in other words, the iconographic meaning said: "Yes, you are a man and a brother; I led the nation in a war and set you free." But since 180,000 members of the black community fought in the Civil War this was and is a limited view of how the slaves achieved freedom. Maybe something along the lines of a statue showing Lincoln taking the salutes of a black regiment as they went toward battle. And on the base could be the Emancipation Proclamation, the authority by which the soldiers were enlisted and also Jefferson Davis Retaliatory Proclamation that all officers and soldiers in Black regiments be treated as participants in servile insurrection. (for which the penalty was death. However, many black soldiers who were captured were sold in slave markets.) Now, since the monument to the 54th Massachusetts has been defaced, it's probably realistic to think that there's nothing that the group in the streets really wants except destruction and anarchy. But we could save and put aside ideas for a better monument to go up in a better time.wildswanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11975129877750876072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59610526814756637372020-12-30T12:20:29.668-06:002020-12-30T12:20:29.668-06:00The statue depicts Lincoln offer a proclamation of...The statue depicts Lincoln offer a proclamation of emancipation, which was done under authority granted to him as chief representative of the People (and our Posterity). The statue could also depict a Jesus moment, where Lincoln lends his hand to help the man rise, but that would be rejected as diversitist (e.g. a sign of white privilege) dogma that judges the dignity and value of people by the color of their skin and other low information social, physical, etc. attributes.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78161653106278660292020-12-30T12:19:17.369-06:002020-12-30T12:19:17.369-06:00Had the sculptor waited just a few seconds until L...Had the sculptor waited just a few seconds until Lincoln opened his jacket...<br /><br /><b><a href="https://miro.medium.com/max/600/1*o7qKUdf5rkAh3QXy_1rlPw.jpeg" rel="nofollow">the damn thing would be celebrated as progressive art</a></b>.<br /><br />NSFWWincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002449963597087316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61576771519043932432020-12-30T12:06:40.822-06:002020-12-30T12:06:40.822-06:00He just needs some Presidential knee-pads.He just needs some Presidential knee-pads.Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9773570541914115532020-12-30T12:04:16.087-06:002020-12-30T12:04:16.087-06:00The question "If he’s free, why is he still o...The question "If he’s free, why is he still on his knees?"'<br /><br />"Maybe he's showing gratitude?"<br /><br />Or maybe he's about to give Abraham Lincoln a blow-job. NTTAWWT.Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20069940480954703512020-12-30T11:55:05.437-06:002020-12-30T11:55:05.437-06:00Yeah, I kinda get the pathetic supplicant adoring ...Yeah, I kinda get the pathetic supplicant adoring the magnanimous white enabler. But FFS, we've gotta stop adding quarters to this whirling commercial dryer of Presentism. PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15216578936157701583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76577550752323895572020-12-30T11:18:41.350-06:002020-12-30T11:18:41.350-06:00Maybe they could add an inscription that indicates...Maybe they could add an inscription that indicates that the man is rising from his knees. Maybe something like "Emancipation". JaimeRobertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12080380710232902631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33045062909957445972020-12-30T11:14:20.450-06:002020-12-30T11:14:20.450-06:00'The question "If he’s free, why is he st...<i>'The question "If he’s free, why is he still on his knees?"'</i><br /><br />Maybe he's showing gratitude?Joe Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691714715049323034noreply@blogger.com