tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3455395754373342706..comments2024-03-29T10:48:59.954-05:00Comments on Althouse: "A federal jury believed the University of Iowa’s law school illegally denied a promotion to a conservative Republican because of her politics."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44304177782622954792012-11-25T14:17:20.497-06:002012-11-25T14:17:20.497-06:00No, they are not two different things. Voting in a...No, they are not two different things. Voting in a location is premised on the idea that you're an actual resident. So is getting in-state tuition.Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65923194058867069962012-11-25T14:16:43.872-06:002012-11-25T14:16:43.872-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54238090876859474072012-11-25T13:44:45.586-06:002012-11-25T13:44:45.586-06:00Kirk Parker said,
"Wait--are you saying in W...Kirk Parker said,<br /><br />"Wait--are you saying in WI that a bare student ID is supposed to be valid for voting purposes??? So how about all those students banding together and suing for instate tuition, now that they're WI residents?"<br /><br />Aren't these two different things?leslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976589297868178854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17065301507550435652012-11-25T13:22:50.086-06:002012-11-25T13:22:50.086-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25136734356914809232012-11-25T13:17:36.719-06:002012-11-25T13:17:36.719-06:00leslyn,
Wait--are you saying in WI that a bare st...leslyn,<br /><br />Wait--are you saying in WI that a bare student ID is supposed to be valid for voting purposes??? So how about all those students banding together and suing for instate tuition, now that they're WI residents?<br /><br />(When you look at the online encyclopedia entry for "people living in a state w/o legal residency", there are two photos illustrating it: an active-duty member of the military, and a college student.)Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72879104951587213832012-11-25T12:42:14.935-06:002012-11-25T12:42:14.935-06:00@Kirk Parker: Students must be resident 28 days b...@Kirk Parker: Students must be resident 28 days before the election. The University offered to have a current registration sticker added to the ID. No sticker, no valid photo ID. Therefore, IF a voter I'D law went into effect, a student ID would be as accurate as a DL or state ID card.leslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976589297868178854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41036458194310925352012-11-25T07:42:47.237-06:002012-11-25T07:42:47.237-06:00feed*feed*Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55128328671301613382012-11-25T07:41:47.176-06:002012-11-25T07:41:47.176-06:00Don't feef the trolls.Don't feef the trolls.<br />Largohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15082394436785605297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42813441876793230532012-11-25T03:00:39.425-06:002012-11-25T03:00:39.425-06:00Ritmo wroter, "Yes, noblesse oblige is infini...Ritmo wroter, "Yes, noblesse oblige is infinitely better for ensuring the general welfare than is slavery, and always has been."<br />_______________________<br /><br />My. It takes a truly wonderful education to attain just that piquant combination of condescension and false dichotomy in the same sentence. Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34785693560182729172012-11-25T02:07:03.797-06:002012-11-25T02:07:03.797-06:00Ritmo,
What on earth makes you think student ID i...Ritmo,<br /><br />What on earth makes you think student ID is a valid proof of residency? Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8928151057622837472012-11-24T21:58:14.875-06:002012-11-24T21:58:14.875-06:00Oh, and Chip - Don't forget how student I.D. w...Oh, and Chip - Don't forget how student I.D. was excluded as an acceptable form of "Papers!". That was another sizable chunk of the intended disenfranchisement. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11057566776527260392012-11-24T21:23:09.463-06:002012-11-24T21:23:09.463-06:00I detect the scent of victimhood in this story.
&...I detect the scent of victimhood in this story.<br /><br />"You may now resume simultaneously indulging the politics of privilege while denying that any such thing exists." (It's an adaptable quote!)leslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976589297868178854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64088814789433628872012-11-24T21:07:11.773-06:002012-11-24T21:07:11.773-06:00Yes, Ritmo, the Dems act as if voter ID requiremen...<i>Yes, Ritmo, the Dems act as if voter ID requirements would cost them elections. Apparently they're not sure they could still get 100% of the vote in those 59 Philly precincts, or 85% citywide, with it.</i><br /><br />We know what the purpose of the bill was, because Mike Turzai said so. Google him if you're unfamiliar of the bill he pushed for and what he intended for it to do.<br /><br />That doesn't mean it was successful. For one, you are also unfamiliar with the court ruling, as of election day, on its legality. The outcome was that it would be legal to ask for such ID, but illegal to require it to be provided. The court's ruling was based on the ample evidence that the Republicans had not ensured that, if implemented, its disenfranchising effects wouldn't outweigh any potential for fraud, of which virtually no cases had been documented. Therefore, the bill was held-up, as it should have been. Voting campaigns widely reminded voters that they had no obligation to provide the forms of I.D. that the Republicans could not ensure were possessed widely enough to prevent disenfranchisement, Slave Owner. <br /><br />But the intent was clear. As with Jim Crow, the intent of the bill was to disenfranchise. <br /><br />Given how ignorant you were of these basic facts, I see no reason to respond to the rest of your slaver rant. But it is interesting to see how far you go in denying the role of the Tea Party Congress in holding up the bills that would have expedited economic recovery. No, it's not the do-nothing white Tea Party Congress who held up recovery -- BLAME IT ON THE BLACK PRESIDENT WHO WAITED FOR THOSE BILLS TO COME TO HIS DESK!<br /><br />You may now resume simultaneously indulging the politics of privilege while denying that any such thing exists.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56504528743200886542012-11-24T20:47:42.427-06:002012-11-24T20:47:42.427-06:00Whenever Ritmo chooses to enter a thread, 50% of t...Whenever Ritmo chooses to enter a thread, 50% of the ensuing bytes are his.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8308316129290783632012-11-24T19:22:08.878-06:002012-11-24T19:22:08.878-06:00Ritmo -- professional penny on the train tracks of...Ritmo -- professional penny on the train tracks of life.Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16318516209426413692012-11-24T17:23:32.767-06:002012-11-24T17:23:32.767-06:00Ritmo said...Let's explain it in terms of a Re...Ritmo said...<i>Let's explain it in terms of a Republican governor in Pennsylvania who tried to take away the right for public transportation commuters and the elderly in Philadelphia to vote.</i><br /><br />Yes, Ritmo, the Dems act as if voter ID requirements would cost them elections. Apparently they're not sure they could still get 100% of the vote in those 59 Philly precincts, or 85% citywide, with it. <br /><br />Yet somehow those people who you believe do not have access to valid ID manage to get Supplemental Nutrition Assistance (f.k.a. "food stamps"), despite these requirements:<br /><br /><i>[People not already getting SSI payments] must take or send their SNAP applications to the local SNAP office or to any Social Security office where a SNAP representative works.<br /><br />When you are interviewed, you also should have:<br /><br />Identification such as a driver’s license, state ID, birth certificate or alien card;</i><br /><br />IOW, your claim is 100% bullshit. <br /><br />I don't know how anyone of good faith can be unconcerned by the erosion of confidence that results from the kind of bullshit that was common in Philly on election day.<br /><br />Ritmo said...<i>Except for the part when you assume the economic self-interest of privileged old whites and the ignorant poor who support them is somehow less ethnically motivated and more economically motivated than other groups voting to reject that bullshit paradigm.</i><br /><br />What a load of horseshit. Try dealing in the most <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/first-black-president-can-t-help-blacks-stem-wealth-drop.html" rel="nofollow">rudimentary facts</a> instead some sort of marxist class-struggle fantasy. For example:<br /><br /><i>Today’s 14.1 percent black unemployment rate is almost twice the 7.4 percent white rate, and the racial gap -- after narrowing from 2005 to 2009 -- has widened since the recession’s June 2009 end. At Obama’s inauguration, 7.1 percent of whites were jobless compared with 12.7 percent of blacks.</i><br /><br />Blacks haven't suffered under Obama b/c "old white men" have exploited them. They have suffered b/c Obama put Obamacare and crony capitalism ahead of economic recovery, yet they voted to re-elect him. That is simple tribalism whipped up by Obama's demagoguery. <br /><br />He is repellent for using it. Those who repeat it, knowing how false it is, are equally repellent.<br /><br />You may now resume calling me a tool of the slave-owning class. Or am I a slave-owner myself?Chip S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13210586187250159751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49773627430271285632012-11-24T17:09:59.700-06:002012-11-24T17:09:59.700-06:00Natural inherent diversity "good"?
Beca...<i>Natural inherent diversity "good"?<br /><br />Because you can't help it?</i><br /><br />I suppose if you prefer to lament the fact that linguistic, cultural and ethnic diversity exists (and always has), you could choose to do so. Although it would be hard for anyone to see a reason for why you would do this other than for the possibility that one is an old scag who hates the fact that others unlike yourself exist, and would prefer to to castigate them on the same basis that the Klan and other jingoistic elements have done so - with nothing useful to be shown for that impulse throughout history wherever and whenever it has raised its ugly head.<br /><br /><i>Optional willful diversity "bad"?<br /><br />Because you have a choice?</i><br /><br />So you are praising difference for its own sake? That's fine. But ideologies should have rational bases in order for others to respect them. <br /><br />There is no rational basis for placing one's physical autonomy over their own body under the auspices of the government and defining soul-hood as a genetic quality, other than for the fact that at one point you could demagogue these and related ideas to the ignorant and emotionally unrestrained.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56994044216303609362012-11-24T16:43:22.327-06:002012-11-24T16:43:22.327-06:00Natural inherent diversity "good"?
Beca...Natural inherent diversity "good"?<br /><br />Because you can't help it?<br /><br />Optional willful diversity "bad"?<br /><br />Because you have a choice?Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34278477683741336912012-11-24T16:29:43.122-06:002012-11-24T16:29:43.122-06:00Granted, this allows you to travel throughout your...<i>Granted, this allows you to travel throughout your life never having to have your truth challenged by admitting that other legitimate points of view exist.</i><br /><br />So every challenge to a point of view is equally legitimate? That sounds a lot like the cultural relativism (often conflated with moral relativism) that conservatives hate so much. Alternatively, it could be taken as an effort at achieving the sort of ideological diversity that conservatives hate so much when applied to the sorts of natural diversity inherent in the human condition, and therefore can't do much about other than to celebrate. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33432442170370753652012-11-24T16:20:51.392-06:002012-11-24T16:20:51.392-06:00If you believe that truth has a left-ward slant th...If you believe that truth has a left-ward slant then it's not discrimination it's just refusing to hire someone who isn't very smart.<br /><br />Granted, this allows you to travel throughout your life never having to have your truth challenged by admitting that other legitimate points of view exist.<br /><br />Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17660333652215584212012-11-24T14:57:10.700-06:002012-11-24T14:57:10.700-06:00Let's try to explain the 85% share of extraord...<i>Let's try to explain the 85% share of extraordinary voter turnout for Obama in Philly, among people who have suffered greatly under Obama's 4 years of economic failure, who might rationally be expected to be dissatisfied with the incumbent.</i><br /><br />Yes, let's. Let's explain it in terms of a Republican governor in Pennsylvania who tried to take away the right for public transportation commuters and the elderly in Philadelphia to vote. Seems to me they resented that partisan nonsense, responded appropriately, and <i>still</i> understand, as urbanites everywhere do, that blaming the chief for the failures of his legislators to procure favors for those who were hurting the least, was too corrupt even for them. <br /><br />Aren't these Karl Rove antics getting old? What is so hard to believe about the fact that the heinous tactic of making an economy worse so that you can blame someone else for it was not rewarded? Mitch McConnell's openly avowed strategy for turning the president into a one-term guy was rejected. Maybe you've never had to contend with someone not only blaming their failures on you, but their attempts to make it look even worse. Methinks urban voters could see through this hollow and disgusting strategy and rejected it soundly.<br /><br /><i>There's Romney's explanation, which is that they prefer the certainty of government benefits to the possibility of actual employment through a change of policy. I consider that a reasonable explanation, not a vilification.</i><br /><br />Blah blah blah blah blah Tea Party Congress can't accept responsibility for their record-breaking disapproval and attempts to worsen the economy just because they thought it would redound to Obama's detriment. Boo Hoo.<br /><br /><i>Another possible explanation is that those voters were motivated primarily by a sense of ethnic solidarity that trumped considerations of their own economic self-interest.</i><br /><br />This sounds like slave-owner talk. <br /><br />Enough with the demagoguery. <br /><br /><i>I find the latter explanation far more disturbing, yet it seems to be the preferred narrative among Democrats.</i><br /><br />Except for the part when you assume the economic self-interest of privileged old whites and the ignorant poor who support them is somehow less ethnically motivated and more economically motivated than other groups voting to reject that bullshit paradigm. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84307480465277823012012-11-24T14:47:44.642-06:002012-11-24T14:47:44.642-06:00Your good feeling is based on nothing more sophist...<i>Your good feeling is based on nothing more sophisticated than "we have more votes, so we can take your stuff." Successful electioneering, sure. A sound basis for ensuring the general welfare? Guess we'll see.</i><br /><br />Better than a good feeling based on nothing more sophisticated than "we have more votes, so we can take (or dismiss) your labor." Yes, noblesse oblige is infinitely better for ensuring the general welfare than is slavery, and always has been. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77477116621419010252012-11-24T14:12:55.821-06:002012-11-24T14:12:55.821-06:00Thank God? UW-Madison has a diversity czar to prev...Thank God? UW-Madison has a diversity czar to prevent such discrimination.frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833763205428304308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71834556452599390552012-11-24T13:30:32.290-06:002012-11-24T13:30:32.290-06:00"I'm feeling good that ever more voters u..."I'm feeling good that ever more voters understand that "gifts" to the already entitled and privileged are increasingly less helpful to the economy than those to everyone else...."<br />_________________<br /><br />Let's get real, Ritmo. Your good feeling is based on nothing more sophisticated than "we have more votes, so we can take your stuff." Successful electioneering, sure. A sound basis for ensuring the general welfare? Guess we'll see.Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23365698731881460582012-11-24T13:00:17.639-06:002012-11-24T13:00:17.639-06:00“What the president’s campaign did was focus on ce...<i>“What the president’s campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote,”</i><br /><br />Let's try to explain the 85% share of extraordinary voter turnout for Obama in Philly, among people who have suffered greatly under Obama's 4 years of economic failure, who might rationally be expected to be dissatisfied with the incumbent.<br /><br />There's Romney's explanation, which is that they prefer the certainty of government benefits to the possibility of actual employment through a change of policy. I consider that a reasonable explanation, not a vilification.<br /><br />Another possible explanation is that those voters were motivated primarily by a sense of ethnic solidarity that trumped considerations of their own economic self-interest.<br /><br />I find the latter explanation far more disturbing, yet it seems to be the preferred narrative among Democrats.Chip S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13210586187250159751noreply@blogger.com