tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post345051523699671075..comments2024-03-28T16:01:09.538-05:00Comments on Althouse: The complicated story of Rielle Hunter and Jonathan Darman, the Newsweek reporter.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger135125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26966391372659814492008-08-12T16:26:00.000-05:002008-08-12T16:26:00.000-05:00Heh. My favorite Brett Easton Ellis story is "Less...Heh. My favorite Brett Easton Ellis story is "Less Than Zombie". But he didn't write it.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27296584546005901542008-08-12T11:41:00.000-05:002008-08-12T11:41:00.000-05:00I'm not surprised she's associated with McInerney ...<I>I'm not surprised she's associated with McInerney and Brett Easton Ellis -- two of the worst writers to emerge in the 80s.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, totally makes sense doesn't it. Dumb people orbit each other.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34628491454064908972008-08-12T10:25:00.000-05:002008-08-12T10:25:00.000-05:00knox,Yes, I'm relieved. Relieved he dropped out in...knox,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I'm relieved. Relieved he dropped out in spring, too. He has already been a disaster. Where did he go in 2004? He was a dud on the campaign trail.<BR/><BR/>I don't think he's "gone" just yet - I'm waiting for more cringeworthy Rielle Hunter stories to emerge. She's an odd sort of phenomenon, seemingly vacuous but nonetheless turning up again and again. I'm not surprised she's associated with McInerney and Brett Easton Ellis -- two of the worst writers to emerge in the 80s.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84516165014104786592008-08-12T09:13:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:13:00.000-05:00How, where, and when John McCain cheated -- it doe...How, where, and when John McCain cheated -- it doesn't really matter, or surprise me. He seems kind of like a jerk too, just in a totally different way from Edwards. <BR/><BR/>He has made some major, major errors in judgment (campaign finance, jumping on the AGW bandwagon) and sometimes--not <I>all</I> the time -- but sometimes I suspect it's just to be seen as the "maverick." Now maybe that's not as shallow as combing your hair for 2 minutes straight, but it's not exactly noble either.<BR/><BR/>(I would never discount his incredible courage as a POW but that's a separate issue from his behavior as a politician.)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, to the democrats out there, you should be relieved this happened and Edwards is gone. He would have been a disaster for you guys.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66916796016878696712008-08-12T09:00:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:00:00.000-05:00She had frizzy blond hair with DARK roots..."I wil...<I> She had frizzy blond hair with DARK roots...</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/36/22/83/18463687.jpg" REL="nofollow">"I will not be ignored, Dan!"</A>knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34292265217010214122008-08-12T08:43:00.000-05:002008-08-12T08:43:00.000-05:00Trooper York:In recognition of exceptional service...Trooper York:<BR/><BR/>In recognition of exceptional service to this thread, an extra ration of beans and extra hay for your horse.save_the_rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292805042626368911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74574938770086988742008-08-12T08:41:00.000-05:002008-08-12T08:41:00.000-05:00Follow the money.Read the e-mails.Follow the money.<BR/><BR/>Read the e-mails.save_the_rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292805042626368911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67914104716712460662008-08-12T04:51:00.000-05:002008-08-12T04:51:00.000-05:00vbspurs said...LOL, Meade.There. See? That ought...vbspurs said...<BR/><I>LOL, Meade.</I><BR/><BR/>There. See? That ought to be worth a nickel.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316388500723034455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26931290520747857052008-08-12T00:12:00.000-05:002008-08-12T00:12:00.000-05:00LOL, Meade.LOL, Meade.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73329735137209235212008-08-11T23:11:00.000-05:002008-08-11T23:11:00.000-05:00Ruth Anne,My fault, I fear.Ruth Anne,<BR/><BR/>My fault, I fear.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56350498416500925192008-08-11T22:13:00.000-05:002008-08-11T22:13:00.000-05:00You know, if only I had a nickel for every time a ...You know, if only I had a nickel for every time a beautiful blonde with dark roots has come up to me and said, "Meade, dude, even at your advanced age, you are a dead ringer for Jonathan Darman," (and I'm not even counting all the ones who then make a low guttural cat-like sound), I would have enough nickels to pay for some real energy work. Something cosmically trance inducingly meditatively old-soulful. <BR/><BR/>Maybe even get my karmic mantras aligned with some complicated documentary film directing chakras, if you get my heavenly bodied astrological drift and I think you do.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316388500723034455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54616869267767858552008-08-11T20:50:00.000-05:002008-08-11T20:50:00.000-05:00Don't you love farce?Send in the clowns. Don't bo...Don't you love farce?<BR/><BR/>Send in the clowns. <BR/><BR/>Don't bother. They're here.Ruth Anne Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936054116421006847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60349869370434806202008-08-11T20:19:00.000-05:002008-08-11T20:19:00.000-05:00Sure, Pogo. And the right's version is always "It'...Sure, Pogo. <BR/><BR/>And the right's version is always "It's DIFFERENT for us!" Then you don your Toque Blanc and whip up another rationalization.<BR/><BR/>There's nothing different other than timing. Big deal. It's all tawdry.<BR/><BR/>And by "long turned to farce" I am referring to Edwards. It took only three days for what was perhaps sad to turn laughable.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45881262127750511682008-08-11T19:36:00.001-05:002008-08-11T19:36:00.001-05:00Nuance guyus? Sounds like a body spray."Where's th...Nuance guyus? <BR/><BR/>Sounds like a body spray.<BR/><BR/>"Where's the nuance, guys?"blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44369333024230707382008-08-11T19:36:00.000-05:002008-08-11T19:36:00.000-05:00I love Alpha actually alleging, apparently with a ...I love Alpha actually alleging, apparently with a straight fact, that the New York Times led the charge against Clinton.<BR/><BR/>Drudge owes his existence to their stonewalling. (The beginning of the end for the MSM?)<BR/><BR/>And where's the nuance guyus? Adultery is adultery? Is killing people killing people? Or do we differentiate between murder, self-defense, military conflicts, etc.?<BR/><BR/>Some couples swing. Some couples have "understandings". Etc.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61039817876782495962008-08-11T18:55:00.000-05:002008-08-11T18:55:00.000-05:00This story's long turned from tragedy to farce.Lon...<I>This story's long turned from tragedy to farce.</I><BR/>Long? <I>Long???</I><BR/>Christ, Beth, you're the one bringing up a 30 year old divorce.<BR/><BR/>The left's version is always<BR/><BR/>Deny.<BR/>Deny.<BR/>Deny.<BR/>Admit, but <I>Tu quoque</I><BR/>Tu quoque.<BR/>Tu quoque.<BR/>Tu quoque.<BR/>This is old news, move on.<BR/><BR/>Admission is optional.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25844872330153760912008-08-11T18:25:00.000-05:002008-08-11T18:25:00.000-05:00Right now, years ago, Hanoi Hilton, cancer and dea...Right now, years ago, Hanoi Hilton, cancer and dead son, the real story's the press...parse, parse, parse. <BR/><BR/>This story's long turned from tragedy to farce. Hunter's nasty little comments about Elizabeth Edwards and the inane New Agey subplot just makes that more apparent. The "no, McCain's cheating was DIFFERENT!" scramble is just icing on the cake, and the "Hillary would have won!" wailing lights the candles.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34934894218380404352008-08-11T18:18:00.000-05:002008-08-11T18:18:00.000-05:00It is interesting, and a fair question, to ask tho...It is interesting, and a fair question, to ask those ripping Edwards to consider McCain's long ago infidelity. What McCain did reflects poorly on him, but in considering how much weight to put on it, there are a number of factors not present in the Edwards' case or, for that matter, in the case of Bill Clinton, e.g., long ago misconduct, subsequent good conduct, transcretions in the course of leaving one woman for another versus using one woman for sexual gratification while deceiving the other and using her for political gain, etc.<BR/><BR/>Many pro-Obama folks (or even pro-Edwards folks, if any remain) will be controlled by their partisanship -- lashing out at McCain and refusing to see the differences. McCain fans will easily see the differences and give McCain a pass. Independents likely will not consider the McCain misconduct to be a big deal at this point almost 30 years later.<BR/><BR/>I suspect the pros on both sides will want this to die down as fast as possible. McCain does not want it the subject of discussion. Obama probably does not have a way to effectively use it againt McCAin, and who knows whether Obama has secrets in his background.Kansas Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630367629067743935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22840834502640463442008-08-11T17:59:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:59:00.000-05:00Beth, I have no great faith in McCain. In fact, I ...Beth, <BR/>I have no great faith in McCain. In fact, I wish both Obama and McCain could lose the election.<BR/><BR/>McCain was 42 when he met and began cheating with Cindy. This was 6 years after he was released from the Hanoi Hilton, where he was being tortured for 5 years as a prisoner of war. He's been married and seemingly faithful ever since. <BR/><BR/>But he did fuck up. And he has apologized for it. It's been almost 3 decades since then.<BR/><BR/>Edwards, in contrast, has had an easy life. But then his 17 year old son Wade was killed in a car accident in 1996, and Elizabeth was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004.<BR/><BR/>Then he started screwing around. He was around 53 years old.<BR/><BR/>People do unpredictable things when they are tested. Mild tests, like illness, and severe tests like death, are common to all. Few can say however how they would act following torture.<BR/><BR/>I can see how one might call this sufficient proof of bad character to obviate any chance of voting for McCain or Edwards. I think the cases are different by more than a degree, and believe McCain has grown up since then. Not so Edwards. Stress has revealed him to be too weak for responsibility.<BR/><BR/>Obama is younger still, and has only withstood very little in his life. What little stress he can point to caused him to write numerous autobiographies, whose number I have lost count of. In this race, he exhibits arrogance and ill humor, which do not bode well.<BR/><BR/>Beth, you are right to question the seeming different treatments, but you ignore the elephant in the room, that the media totally ignored Edwards and went after McCain. That's meaningful by itself.<BR/><BR/>You want to focus on the meaning behind it all, which is fair. That's hard to do when one side has pretended so long that their errors did not exist at all.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44918856183882717422008-08-11T17:53:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:53:00.000-05:00She had frizzy blond hair with DARK roots, I knew ...She had frizzy blond hair with DARK roots, I knew then and there that the curtains wouldn't match the carpet.AlgonquinShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09140985796981396747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32675708239401041752008-08-11T17:37:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:37:00.000-05:00Beth bitterly rails against male "cheaters" McCain...Beth bitterly rails against male "cheaters" McCain and Edwards:<BR/><BR/><I>The only difference is he fucked around on his wife years ago and Edward fucked around on his last year. A few years from now and they're both former cheaters. Big fucking difference.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, what big fucking difference is there between a man who is married and together with his wife less than 4 months before being separated for war, entually shot down, and royally messed up from his POW time - and fell out of love and wanted to go wild? And a man married 32 years to the same women who was too sick to satisfy his needs?<BR/><BR/><I>And wasn't he still in the military when he was in an adulterous affair with Cindy? I guess no one asked and he didn't tell.</I><BR/><BR/>McCains "wild man days" were known to superiors, as was his being well-liked by Senators of both parties. The Navy did the right thing and passed McCain over for Admiral in part from his misconduct and standing up to a couple of his Senate boosters for a more qualified man. Closing out a career as Captain in the Navy or Colonel in other branches is hardly a disgrace. It is better than 98% of career officers do.<BR/><BR/>And none of McCain's shenanigans involved lying to the public, plus getting his wife, lover, and campaign aides to also lie to the public.<BR/><BR/>Except for a few bitter bitches that cannot see the difference, a very dissimilar apples and oranges situation on a candidates bad faith - when evaluating that candidate's fitness for a job of high responsibility.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61074892740359896082008-08-11T17:18:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:18:00.000-05:00I really don't see what the big deal is about. E...I really don't see what the big deal is about. Edwards and O'Reilly got caught, so what? I mean so what if a younger man hungers after a more mature, experienced, older man? That Governor from New York got caught cheating with another guy and his wife didn't even get any alimony. I mean geez, O'Rielly does have his own TV show, "The No Spin Zone." They will both probably star in the next version of Big Brother with Brittany, Brett the Jet, and Pam Anderson.DaLawGiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527161835297956435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28851143427529684952008-08-11T17:12:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:12:00.000-05:00Beth said..."[Simon said that unlike Edwards,] McC...Beth said...<BR/>"<I>[Simon said that unlike Edwards,] McCain wasn't caught lying about [his affair.] Oh Simon, of course he lied about it. Is getting caught what makes it bad?</I>"<BR/><BR/>You have to read that comment as it was written: as a reply to Alpha's question about why McCain's career wasn't ended by his affair. Getting caught isn't what makes it bad, but it's what makes it politically poisonous.<BR/><BR/>The only difference is he fucked around on his wife years ago and Edward fucked around on his last year. A few years from now and they're both former cheaters. Big fucking difference.<BR/><BR/>The big fucking difference - hey, that works on two levels - is that we don't live a few years from now, we live in <I>right now</I>. McCain can say <I>right now</I>, as Edwards obviously cannot yet, that it happened a long time ago, he's grown a lot since then, that he sincerely regrets what happened, and so forth.<BR/><BR/>Bissage, my file on latches? Is that in response to Trooper's compliment about my writing (which I appreciate by the way)? Or you mean in regard to McCain - do you mean <I>laches</I>, perchance?Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69408014197078811322008-08-11T17:06:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:06:00.000-05:00Hey if you magnify the girl on the right really bi...Hey if you magnify the girl on the right really big and focus in just right, well you can actually see Bush at the Olympics.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31675575130516335082008-08-11T17:00:00.000-05:002008-08-11T17:00:00.000-05:00I hope nobody saw that last attempt at a comment.I...I hope nobody saw that last attempt at a comment.<BR/><BR/>It was petty and kind of mean-spirited and probably mispelled.<BR/><BR/>I should <A HREF="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/09/article-0-0237E35600000578-961_468x541.jpg" REL="nofollow">butt</A> out.<BR/><BR/>And I apologize.Bissagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04439910009646381418noreply@blogger.com