tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3434946189798206252..comments2024-03-29T10:54:33.737-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I get that there are some of my conservative brethren don’t agree that the tea party should protest tomorrow."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger156125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51390640460702138732013-05-21T15:25:39.768-05:002013-05-21T15:25:39.768-05:00That's some fantasy interpretation of the worl...That's some fantasy interpretation of the world you got going there Steve Koch. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59307314436673475162013-05-21T14:26:36.931-05:002013-05-21T14:26:36.931-05:00The members of the PIGs in the dem fasci don't...The members of the PIGs in the dem fasci don't really need to know or care much about political ideology, cuz they know that their PIG will be rewarded if the dems win. Discussing politics with them is a waste of time.<br /><br />What they don't realize (cuz they are so ignorant of history, etc) is that fascists add/delete PIGs to their fasci based on the prevailing political reality. Once fascists have achieved overwhelming political power, they can use the power of the government to reward their friends, punish their political enemies (as Obama is doing already), and stay in power permanently. Indeed, this is the whole point of fascism. Once they have achieved sufficient dominance, fascist dems may decide they no longer need numerically small PIGs such as gays or Jews. Once the fascists no longer need the unions, they may decide that it would be easier to govern without the unions.<br /><br />The protectors of the constitution are the most reliable friends of these PIGs that are likely to be betrayed by the dems when they have achieved political dominance.<br /><br />Steve Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077530042599697923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35570212891315355962013-05-21T14:00:31.397-05:002013-05-21T14:00:31.397-05:00"Fasci" is Italian for "bundles&quo..."Fasci" is Italian for "bundles". Mussolini was a lifelong communist/Marxist/socialist, just like his dad. He was a big deal in the Italian communist party but despaired that the Italian communist party would ever be politically successful in Italy and felt that class struggle just didn't sell that well in Italy. Mussolini decided that adding nationalism and racism to Marxism would make it more successful in Italy (and he was right). <br /><br />Mussolini called this new variant of Marxism/communism/socialism "Fascism", based on the Italian word "fasci", which means "bundle" in English. <br /><br />Mussolini's Fascist party was a fasci (aka bundle) of different political groups.<br /><br />Fast forwarding to 2013, the dems' political strategy is quite fascist in that it relies on bundling PIGs, is leftist, and employs racial discrimination and leftist class warfare to achieve political goals. The dems are obviously less nationalistic than Mussolini's fascists were and have added gender discrimination to the mix (i.e. using affirmative action to discriminate against white males and reward dem PIGs) but the dems borrowed lot from Mussolini. He figured out how to organize fasci/bundles of lefty PIGs into a political party that could win an election.<br /><br />Steve Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077530042599697923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84374669215264271312013-05-21T12:20:53.085-05:002013-05-21T12:20:53.085-05:00We'll know the nature of things by the presenc...We'll know the nature of things by the presence of children and American flags. The two things I saw had lots of children learning by exposure respect for process. It's not a political party, it's a mindset with a respect for authoritah. They do know what they break they will pay for. They already have broad appeal. I expect to see "victim-of" and "parent-to" government, signage, at once. And of course the yellow snake flag. <br /><br />Funny how the Gadsden flag is now associated with the tea party and the tea party is associated with regular political Parties. So that the flag is rejected as a political statement even in situations where it is not making a statement, where it is representing it simple historical self, that is, the flag is reacted to, recoiled from, where one recoils from the tea party mindset. There was an item about that last week. <br /><br />I'm on Broadway at 12th, and the Denver demonstration is on Broadway at 20th, it's mathematical, you see, 20 minus 12 is something like 8. That is 40 minutes from now. Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78705439322006963122013-05-21T11:30:27.771-05:002013-05-21T11:30:27.771-05:00Dems tend to be more strictly partisan (i.e echoin...Dems tend to be more strictly partisan (i.e echoing the dem party line) in their political thinking and gop voters tend to be more ideological or philosophical or principled in their political thinking.<br /><br />For example, a majority of gop voters are constitutional conservatives and examine most political issues from that perspective.<br /><br />Dems, otoh, are a collection of privileged interest groups (PIGs) whose fundamental political philosophy is that government can be used to extract preferential treatment for themselves and their political allies (i.e. other PIGs). There isn't much need to know much about the underlying issues or to be overly concerned with political theory or even to understand the facts, dems just need to know how their fellow PIGs feel about an issue. Dems examine every issue from a political win/lose perspective rather than a philosophical perspective which explains why institutions dominated by dems are inevitably corrupt (i.e. cuz dems put partisan politics ahead of all else).<br /><br />Steve Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077530042599697923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62670022813884506742013-05-21T11:04:07.614-05:002013-05-21T11:04:07.614-05:00Phx seems to be a nice lady. I don't claim tha...Phx seems to be a nice lady. I don't claim that she is extreme compared to other dems but that she is extremely partisan and trying to persuade her is most likely a waste of time.<br /><br />Indies can be persuaded.<br />Steve Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077530042599697923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7243036521001309252013-05-21T11:02:34.747-05:002013-05-21T11:02:34.747-05:00I don't really think of myself as a liberal ei...I don't really think of myself as a liberal either. I'm just a moderate who leans more towards Dem positions. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90233304279886995042013-05-21T11:01:46.244-05:002013-05-21T11:01:46.244-05:00You can be a moderate republican or a moderate dem...<i>You can be a moderate republican or a moderate democrat but republican and democrat are not terms synonymous with right and left. You can be a liberal republican or a liberal democrat. Moderate and liberal describe nothing more than personal stances on specific issues. There are people on both the right and left who try to conflate the terms right and left with republican and democrat but that is lazy and self-serving when done by either side. <br /><br />The synonymous terms for right and left are conservative and progressive. That is about social engineering and only about specific issues when applied to that concept.</i><br /><br />Well I'll defer to your understanding of what all those terms mean then. I'm going by what I thought were common denotations but I'm no political scientist. <br /><br />I think I'm a moderate but if someone can demonstrate that I'm wrong I'll defer to that, too. <br /><br />I don't really know what a progressive is. Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt a progressive? <br /><br />sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24089771179617117002013-05-21T10:48:46.890-05:002013-05-21T10:48:46.890-05:00And you are no moderate. I have seen no posts from...And you are no moderate. I have seen no posts from you that have not indicated a liberal viewpoint.<br /><br />You may not be a progressive, but you are in no proper sense of the word a moderate.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01492998820078614811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33810198066100972232013-05-21T10:47:01.881-05:002013-05-21T10:47:01.881-05:00I disagree. You can be a moderate righty or a mode...<i>I disagree. You can be a moderate righty or a moderate lefty. You can also be a total centrist, but that's not me. I'm moderate to the left.</i><br /><br />Wrong. 100% wrong and self-serving.<br /><br />You can be a moderate republican or a moderate democrat but republican and democrat are not terms synonymous with right and left. You can be a liberal republican or a liberal democrat. Moderate and liberal describe nothing more than personal stances on specific issues. There are people on both the right and left who try to conflate the terms right and left with republican and democrat but that is lazy and self-serving when done by either side. <br /><br />The synonymous terms for right and left are conservative and progressive. That is about social engineering and only about specific issues when applied to that concept.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01492998820078614811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68089469284081112382013-05-21T10:42:09.184-05:002013-05-21T10:42:09.184-05:00Certainly negative politics works, especially if i...Certainly negative politics works, especially if it is truth based. <br /><br />I can understand why a dem partisan such as phx would fear the gop loudly speaking the truth about the execrable Obama. As far as persuading dems like phx, it is very unlikely cuz most dems belong to preferential interest groups (PIGs) who benefit economically from preferential treatment from the fed gov. They are going to hold their nose and vote dem cuz their livelihood depends on it (or they are just too biased or stupid or ignorant to understand reality). There are very few lefties like Althouse who are intellectually and psychologically capable of seeing things with an open mind. <br /><br />The gop should impeach Obama so they can thoroughly investigate and expose the profound political corruption of this regime.<br />Steve Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077530042599697923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9102782383838994522013-05-21T09:51:28.985-05:002013-05-21T09:51:28.985-05:00Well, good luck. As a strategy it doesn't seem...<i>Well, good luck. As a strategy it doesn't seem that impressive to me. </i><br /><br />Does it seem impressive for the Democrats? Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52162315553973793202013-05-21T09:01:43.021-05:002013-05-21T09:01:43.021-05:00We'll see; it seems that in dispersed election...We'll see; it seems that in dispersed elections where the party isn't squashing the grassroots, their appeals work (see the victory in 2010 vs. the loss in 2012.) Right now, the old guard in the party are keeping the calls for the long knives in check. I doubt it will last much longer, but then again, we keep electing divisive people, so you get division.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62922553389662149662013-05-21T08:59:34.963-05:002013-05-21T08:59:34.963-05:00The right is going to try to beat the left at its ...<i>The right is going to try to beat the left at its own game;</i><br /><br />Well, good luck. As a strategy it doesn't seem that impressive to me. <br /><br />I also think it's going to continue to tear the right apart b/c there are a lot of righties who don't go along with that. <br /><br />They dynamics on the right are very complicated right now. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68784184074449616482013-05-21T08:56:37.693-05:002013-05-21T08:56:37.693-05:00Phx: The problem is that the right sees the left s...Phx: The problem is that the right sees the left suffering no consequences. If you saw that everyone else you know could eat your favorite dessert for every meal and have no ill consequences, why wouldn't you give it a try? This was actually my biggest prediction if McCain lost; the small wall within the Republican party that was holding civility in check on their side would crack.<br /><br />It took Romney losing for it to really burst, but yeah. The right is going to try to beat the left at its own game; it worked in the 2010 elections, and it may work again in 2014. And, really? There's a lot of people to blame, but I'm not surprised.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6669279619558553672013-05-21T08:50:50.868-05:002013-05-21T08:50:50.868-05:00"I think it's a losing strategy to embrac...<br />"I think it's a losing strategy to embrace the bad ethics of your opponents, even if it SEEMS to be working for them."<br /><br />Seems to be working for them? <br /><br />Did you type that with a straight face?<br /><br />:)<br /><br />Cody Jarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996083270445880272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86180889134816964732013-05-21T08:50:18.075-05:002013-05-21T08:50:18.075-05:00You just post about how "the righties" s...<i>You just post about how "the righties" should do this or that or something else, like roll over meekly and show their pink puppy bellies.</i><br /><br />There's nothing wrong with me doing that at all. I have never claimed I was going to be evenhanded in my selective comments. <br /><br />I do claim that if I expect Republicans to live up to a principle I also expect Democrats to live up to the same principle. But that's different. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51065647390880864022013-05-21T08:47:50.442-05:002013-05-21T08:47:50.442-05:00LOL. I knew I shouldn't have put "fairnes...<i>LOL. I knew I shouldn't have put "fairness" in my list.</i><br /><br />;D <br /><br />sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28351847179050735332013-05-21T08:47:16.327-05:002013-05-21T08:47:16.327-05:00Phx: No, they're not expecting you to have an ...<i>Phx: No, they're not expecting you to have an opinion. They're trying to inform you of things that you either don't know about, or cause you to recall things you know but don't have at hand. The whole point is to try and show -why- the right has finally descended in the past few years into embracing the dirty politics at the grassroots </i><br /><br />Matthew I already stipulated how crazies on both sides do bad stuff. See my post @10:32 for instance. <br /><br />I think it's a losing strategy to embrace the bad ethics of your opponents, even if it SEEMS to be working for them.<br /><br />sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26863370591026269362013-05-21T08:46:31.400-05:002013-05-21T08:46:31.400-05:00You sound like a teenage girl here. I never ask fo...<br />You sound like a teenage girl here. I never ask for fairness. I appreciate reason and a decent sense of good will. If I personally haven't given you that then I'm sorry. I'll continue to work on it. "<br /><br /><br />LOL. I knew I shouldn't have put "fairness" in my list. <br /><br />Cody Jarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996083270445880272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73522508749189891562013-05-21T08:45:36.791-05:002013-05-21T08:45:36.791-05:00Insufficiently Sensitive said...
I usually ap...Insufficiently Sensitive said...<br /><br /> I usually approve of Dana Loesch's train of thought, but her excessively timid and abstract recommendations here do nothing to enhance the success of a street protest.<br /><br /> Sorry, Dana, but street protests are a form of implied thuggery, not a sculpture exhibition. Unlike the lefties, I wouldn't expect the tea parties to block traffic and bust glass, but to employ Alinsky tactics against their inventors is the most effective thing they can do. "<br /><br /><br />You're missing the point. Just cuz Ann says she's not doing Alinksy doesn't mean she isn't. <br /><br />And the target is the IRS and overreaching government. Obama is a symptom. <br /><br />So by keeping their eyes on the IRS, that's Alinsky. By having sigs against Nancy and Barry and CBS News--the focus is blunted badly. <br /><br />Just because Ann doesn't get Alinsky doesn't mean we all have to be stupid. <br />Cody Jarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996083270445880272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69959130704640297812013-05-21T08:42:58.999-05:002013-05-21T08:42:58.999-05:00And phx, I apologize. I forgot your post yesterday...And phx, I apologize. I forgot your post yesterday (?) where you said something along the lines of how uninformed you actually are about things.<br /><br />Cody Jarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996083270445880272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25910248633034479882013-05-21T08:42:01.052-05:002013-05-21T08:42:01.052-05:00No, you don't do you.
You just post about ho...No, you don't do you. <br /><br />You just post about how "the righties" should do this or that or something else, like roll over meekly and show their pink puppy bellies. <br /><br />So I'm telling you the same thing. Funny how it's all cool one way but not the other. <br />Cody Jarretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996083270445880272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38976400729042071802013-05-21T08:40:26.717-05:002013-05-21T08:40:26.717-05:00Phx: No, they're not expecting you to have an ...Phx: No, they're not expecting you to have an opinion. They're trying to inform you of things that you either don't know about, or cause you to recall things you know but don't have at hand. The whole point is to try and show -why- the right has finally descended in the past few years into embracing the dirty politics at the grassroots level; it is a response to being treated unfairly for years and all attempts to be sane and polite being rebuffed.<br /><br />Sort of like the minister's daughter; if he keeps accusing her of being slutty, eventually, she figures, might as well do it anyway.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26133546597191335752013-05-21T08:34:50.659-05:002013-05-21T08:34:50.659-05:00You've sort of set yourself up as a spokesman ...<i>You've sort of set yourself up as a spokesman for how wrong you think the right is. That means you're fair game for how wrong the left is. <br /><br />Do you remember the black congressman who claimed he was spat on and taunted with "nigger nigger" during the big gavel duck walk with Nancy? <br /><br />Do you remember that Breitbart offered a large sum of money (to charity, I think the United Negro College Fund) if anyone could come up with any proof? <br /><br />With all the cameras there, no one could offer proof. In fact, just the opposite. <br /><br />Yet still--STILL--you'll find people mentioning how evil the righties are, why they even spat on a black congresscritter and called him nigger. <br /><br />I think Andrew raised the money up to $100,000. You'd think they could manufacture evidence for that much cash.</i><br /><br />This is where you start expecting me to have an opinion or defend or attack stuff I have no idea about, isn't it? <br /><br />I never expect you to have to defend anything. I don't think you understand that yet. sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.com