tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3283702616178090726..comments2024-03-19T03:55:23.248-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Many people will express sympathy, but you don’t want or need that, because Trig will be a joy."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger216125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4517330988464532022008-09-09T17:13:00.000-05:002008-09-09T17:13:00.000-05:00Those statements shouldn't be incompatible at all....Those statements shouldn't be incompatible at all. <BR/><BR/>That's what the furor is about: Supposed feminists attacking Palin not on policy but on not staying home to take care of the kids.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62210189471014103732008-09-09T06:24:00.000-05:002008-09-09T06:24:00.000-05:00As a liberal and a feminist, I admire Palin's abil...As a liberal and a feminist, I admire Palin's ability to balance work with family. I disagree with her politics. Are those statements somehow incompatible? I don't see why it should be assumed that, simply because one does not intend to vote for her ticket, one must therefore dislike every aspect of Palin's character and lifestyle right down to her very existence. I can respect the woman without wanting her in office.Amy Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10179832224684392774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40412367478539011952008-09-08T23:51:00.000-05:002008-09-08T23:51:00.000-05:00Jblog, nicely written post! I agree 100%.Jblog, nicely written post! I agree 100%.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55498938851923877782008-09-08T20:44:00.000-05:002008-09-08T20:44:00.000-05:00The sentence is worded to make the two sound mutua...<I>The sentence is worded to make the two sound mutually exclusive.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think so, knox, but if you understand it that way, then I haven't communicated fully. I don't regard feminism as an orthodoxy.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51884380149653634262008-09-08T19:49:00.000-05:002008-09-08T19:49:00.000-05:00I didn't say that. I said conservative women have ...<I>I didn't say that. I said conservative women have benefited from feminism. I can't help your drawing wild and unsupported conclusions from that.</I><BR/><BR/>Beth, this is disingenuous. The sentence is worded to make the two sound mutually exclusive.<BR/><BR/>I happen to agree with you that all "trail-blazing" women were/are feminists -- but the left wants to adopt them all as their own. <BR/><BR/>I would add that <I>feminism</I> as we all understand it today has largely rejected anyone on the right; certainly anyone who's pro-life. And that's why so many conservative women, in turn, reject the feminist label. Liberals assume it's because they are home baking cookies, but it's really because feminists largely treat them with scorn.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65053927355208190642008-09-08T19:44:00.000-05:002008-09-08T19:44:00.000-05:00I suspect all the outrage we're seeing from the le...I suspect all the outrage we're seeing from the left about Palin is masking something else -- fear. They see the election slipping away from them, and they just don't know what to do about it.<BR/><BR/>And now they're tripping on the landmines they themselves laid.<BR/><BR/>They can't criticize Palin for her lack of experience, because Obama has less than she does.<BR/><BR/>They can't attack her on the "Bridge to Nowwhere" issue because both Obama and Biden voted for the earmarks.<BR/><BR/>They can't criticize her about the "book banning" incident -- which has been way overblown -- because Obama consorts with a racist, a terrorist and a felon.<BR/><BR/>They can't criticize her decisions as a working mother, because anything they say merely betrays their own purported feminist ideals.<BR/><BR/>In fact, they can't criticize any aspect of her record because they've already established the ground rules -- if any criticism of Obama can be characterized as racist, then any attack on Palin can be interpreted as sexist.<BR/><BR/>So in their frustation, they take to petty, shallow, mean, nasty sniping remarks -- remarks that if the were made about a female Democrat would have them howling with rage.<BR/><BR/>And they fail to understand that with every base and shallow attack, they push more independent voters over to the McCain/Palin ticket.<BR/><BR/>Boy, it's just got to suck to be Democrat right now.JBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838349868229069605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76166142384830630612008-09-08T19:11:00.000-05:002008-09-08T19:11:00.000-05:00Where, exactly, does the Constitution explicitly a...<I>Where, exactly, does the Constitution explicitly address "taking certain rights out of the hands" of state legislatures? Sorry, I don't get this.</I><BR/><BR/>I was actually referring to national legislators when I said that. But the 14th Amendment ties the hands of state legislatures in many ways as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835164854514314231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66692927486644181972008-09-08T19:10:00.000-05:002008-09-08T19:10:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835164854514314231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68312531508080962792008-09-08T16:42:00.000-05:002008-09-08T16:42:00.000-05:00mcg wrote: "elHombre, I assumed that her response ...mcg wrote: "elHombre, I assumed that her response was meant basically to suggest that some rights aren't to be left in the hands of legislators."<BR/><BR/>If that is what she meant it would have been easy enough to say so, but that is not what she said. As long as we're making assumptions, why not assume she would prefer to have it all left in the hands of the oligarchic courts? <BR/><BR/>And: "In a way, she is right, and the Constitution recognizes that by taking certain rights out of their hands. But it doesn't completely eliminate the ability to make adjustments to our 'rights' through democratic means."<BR/><BR/>Where, exactly, does the Constitution explicitly address "taking certain rights out of the hands" of state legislatures? Sorry, I don't get this.hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12670099074010641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52344036038962593032008-09-08T16:10:00.000-05:002008-09-08T16:10:00.000-05:00You might want to step back and take a deep breath...<I>You might want to step back and take a deep breath, Beth. What I said was, "abortion advocates would have the opportunity to make a case before state LEGISLATURES."</I><BR/><BR/>elHombre, I assumed that her response was meant basically to suggest that some rights aren't to be left in the hands of legislators. In a way, she is right, and the Constitution recognizes that by taking certain rights out of their hands. But it doesn't <I>completely</I> eliminate the ability to make adjustments to our "rights" through democratic means.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835164854514314231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25698152727459715342008-09-08T16:06:00.000-05:002008-09-08T16:06:00.000-05:00I appreciated NYT reporting this story in such a s...I appreciated NYT reporting this story in such a straightforward manner, and I continue to be impressed with Sen. McCain's bold choice. <BR/><BR/>Patm is exactly right: "For the last 30 years, conservative women have been caricatured one way, and because the caricature was easy, no one bothered to update it. Conservative women have been who they are for a while. Liberals have simply not kept up."<BR/><BR/>Speaking of not keeping up, how is it that the New York Times has only one single passing reference to Annenberg Challenge, the outfit Sen. Obama and Bill Ayers were responsible for? When will we get any real reporting on that deeply tantalizing story? JustOneMinute had a good take about their silence here: http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/09/with-a-straight.htmlcfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09880192772762600202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91734741189447497322008-09-08T15:56:00.000-05:002008-09-08T15:56:00.000-05:00Beth wrote: 'Great. Let's do that will rights.[sic...Beth wrote: 'Great. Let's do that will rights.[sic.] We're a straight democracy, right? We can just run everything through propositions on the ballot. No need for legislatures or courts. Anything else is "antidemocratic."'<BR/><BR/>You might want to step back and take a deep breath, Beth. What I said was, "abortion advocates would have the opportunity to make a case before state LEGISLATURES."<BR/><BR/>Does that seem to you to equate with "No need for legislatures or courts?"<BR/><BR/>Peter H wrote: "elHombre, Beth used the term "feminist," which does not mean exclusively liberal, identity feminists."<BR/><BR/>Thank you, Peter. Actually, a fairer reading of her comment is that she distinguished between "conservative women" and "feminists." <BR/><BR/>Other than that, what is there about her comments to suggest that her use of the term means anything other than liberal, identity feminists? I suggest to you that it is implicitly her adaptation of the term, not mine.hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12670099074010641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15237928604481621052008-09-08T15:16:00.000-05:002008-09-08T15:16:00.000-05:00Did the "belief that women can balance family life...<I>Did the "belief that women can balance family life with ambitious careers" just become right wing? If so, wow! That is perhaps the most amazing political flip I've seen in my life.</I><BR/><BR/>Uh, I'm Gen X, and this has been a standard trope of the libertarian and small-business branches of the conservative tree for as long as I can remember. Wife and hubby working together to keep the business afloat, the books balanced, and raise the kids in a partnership that melds as seamlessly as a championship ballroom dance team's waltz has been at least the aspiration of almost every conservative couple I've known. <BR/><BR/>- Briantrollsmythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895349218958093151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16363970857042579182008-09-08T15:07:00.000-05:002008-09-08T15:07:00.000-05:00Jeff with one 'f' wins the thread by his mere ment...<A HREF="#223090547017564443" REL="nofollow">Jeff with one 'f'</A> wins the thread by his mere mention of Phyllis Schlafly.<BR/><BR/>After two generations of poisonous feminism, we now have a woman who may well be elected the first woman vice-president <I>despite</I> the feminists.Micha Elyihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342792492539185940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35724287003356348932008-09-08T14:52:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:52:00.000-05:00Great. Let's do that will rights. We're a straight...<I> Great. Let's do that will rights. We're a straight democracy, right? We can just run everything through propositions on the ballot. No need for legislatures or courts. Anything else is "antidemocratic."</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, Beth, we can, and have, done that with "rights". Your gender did not have the right to vote until enough <I>men</I> voted to make it so. I am in no way trying to diminish the role of the heroes of women's sufferage. But ultimately they had to prevail upon men to agree with them.<BR/><BR/>The abolition of slavery required a constitutional amendment---and a war!---as well.<BR/><BR/>Likewise with abortion. Roe v. Wade was a horrible, abysmal decision. Even many pro-abortion advocates agree with that. The Constitution in no way guarantees the right of women to at-will abortion. But if Scalia is to be believed, it doesn't address the rights of the unborn, either. Hence it is an issue left to the legislative arena---until such time as a Constitutional amendment (in either direction) is passed---democratically.<BR/><BR/>Do you have an alternative? I'm sure we can both concieve of a list of rights that are so absolute that no democratic process ought strip them away. But that's the structure we've adopted. At some point you have to trust the will of people to protect your rights, until such time as you are willing to take up arms against them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835164854514314231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33517487813805783192008-09-08T14:48:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:48:00.000-05:00My point was clear, Ted. Ann speculated that conse...My point was clear, Ted. Ann speculated that conservative women's embrace of both work and family was a political flip; I responded that I see it less as a flip and more as a logical development of generations of feminism.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2710743112181512702008-09-08T14:47:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:47:00.000-05:00Meade said: Both Obama and Palin, to meet my fami...Meade said: <I> Both Obama and Palin, to meet my family values criteria, need to withdraw from this race, finish rearing their children, and, if they wish, reapply in 10 - 20 years.</I> <BR/><BR/>Good luck with that one. You weren't even convincing, if that's what you were trying to do.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6696990249463741462008-09-08T14:42:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:42:00.000-05:00Well, Beth, what exactly is your point then?Well, Beth, what exactly is your point then?SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68923866145888637112008-09-08T14:41:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:41:00.000-05:00Does anyone else remember the rapturous bilge writ...Does anyone else remember the rapturous bilge written when Nancy Pelosi made her debut was Speaker of the House holding someone's infant (her grandchild)? "Effortlessly multi tasking" was the phrase.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58485536634125309052008-09-08T14:38:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:38:00.000-05:00Victoria, your reply still doesn't speak to sexism...<I>Victoria, your reply still doesn't speak to sexism coming from Obama or his campaign. </I><BR/><BR/>The one remark that sticks out is his dismissive tone towards her. They all do that, but his "you're likeable ENOUGH" remark to her is almost unfathomable towards a male candidate.<BR/><BR/>He should've shut up at that moment, but no, he decided to be petty and sarcastic. <BR/><BR/>I wonder, really wonder, how Hillary's reactions were during the Palin speech. Because one got the sense she was speaking up for Hillary too.vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35354652621733810642008-09-08T14:33:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:33:00.000-05:00Victoria, your reply still doesn't speak to sexism...Victoria, your reply still doesn't speak to sexism coming from Obama or his campaign. I acknowledge that sexist remarks toward Clinton came from some of his supporters and the media. <BR/><BR/>elHombre, Beth used the term "feminist," which does not mean exclusively liberal, identity feminists.Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82789299199985553922008-09-08T14:30:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:30:00.000-05:00There have been no conservative feminists?I didn't...<I>There have been no conservative feminists?</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say that. I said conservative women have benefited from feminism. I can't help your drawing wild and unsupported conclusions from that.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15475085320646981562008-09-08T14:26:00.001-05:002008-09-08T14:26:00.001-05:00"Feminists now argue that a working mom with a new..."Feminists now argue that a working mom with a newborn should stay home."<BR/><BR/>Is that really the argument? I don't think so. <BR/><BR/>What I have been arguing, for years, is that the position of President of the United States is too big a job for <I>any</I> parent of young children. Both Obama and Palin, to meet my family values criteria, need to withdraw from this race, finish rearing their children, and, if they wish, reapply in 10 - 20 years. I have no problem with parents being working parents, in fact all parents have to work or do what it takes to provide for the children they've brought into the world. <BR/><BR/>But some jobs are to big and too important to be done by an individual with conflicting responsibilities and the idea ( now right wing?) that anyone can <I>have it all</I> is dangerously naive. If you procreate, your first priority should be to rear your children to adulthood as well as you possibly can and that includes both quality and quantity time and care. There are plenty of qualified candidates for the job of President besides Obama and Palin who do not have the conflict of parenting young children.<BR/><BR/>Palin and Obama's political supporters will deny it but they in fact do not really care about the Obama and Palin children. They are primarily interested in having their own selfish political needs met. They should at least admit it instead of pretending that they care about the children.<BR/><BR/>I doubt either one of them will withdraw and I will probably end up voting for McCain for one reason: I care more about advancing our nation's successes in the war against Islamism than I care about the Palin children.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316388500723034455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55573723830578225802008-09-08T14:26:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:26:00.000-05:00which is extremely unlikely for many reasons, abor...<I>which is extremely unlikely for many reasons, abortion advocates would have the opportunity to make a case before state legislatures. Given their claim that most of the country agrees with them, what's the problem?</I><BR/><BR/>Great. Let's do that will rights. We're a straight democracy, right? We can just run everything through propositions on the ballot. No need for legislatures or courts. Anything else is "antidemocratic."Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31130492123981704292008-09-08T14:18:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:18:00.000-05:00Beth wrote:"My opposition with Palin is that she w...Beth wrote:<BR/><BR/>"My opposition with Palin is that she wants to make all abortion illegal. ... I oppose Palin because I am pro-choice. I don't oppose the choice she made."<BR/><BR/>You don't oppose Palin because you're pro-choice. You oppose her because you are either ignorant or anti-democratic. If Palin's election threatened Roe v. Wade, which is extremely unlikely for many reasons, abortion advocates would have the opportunity to make a case before state legislatures. Given their claim that most of the country agrees with them, what's the problem?<BR/><BR/>And: "...Conservative women believe they can balance ambition and family because generations of feminist women made it possible for them to do just that."<BR/><BR/>My God. How delusional can you get? There have been no conservative feminists? Feminism is about equality for women, not abortion and furthering leftist ideology.<BR/><BR/>If the liberal fembots had figured out that great issues, including sexual equality, do not reside in their genitalia (or anyone else's) the glass ceiling would have been shattered long ago.hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12670099074010641958noreply@blogger.com