tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post322401499531966376..comments2024-03-28T07:41:41.805-05:00Comments on Althouse: "There are novelists who still should win (yes, Mr. Roth, that list begins with you)..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4517770393886755742016-10-16T00:09:06.240-05:002016-10-16T00:09:06.240-05:00The right rat won. Will the right rat win our pres...The right rat won. Will the right rat win our presidential election?Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54032305290422500552016-10-14T09:43:10.457-05:002016-10-14T09:43:10.457-05:00If the worst the universities are up to are classe...If the worst the universities are up to are classes on the poetry of Taylor Swift (and I have no clue as to what they are like, write in any popular songwriter), it would be a considerable improvement on the current situation. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369134902650235470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53545060593259169802016-10-14T07:14:01.816-05:002016-10-14T07:14:01.816-05:00Dylan is the António Egas Moniz of his generation....Dylan is the António Egas Moniz of his generation.<br />Beloved Commenter AReasonableManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139261862363663232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68364999358304274442016-10-14T02:23:57.129-05:002016-10-14T02:23:57.129-05:00"How many Literature Professors have written ..."How many Literature Professors have written books about the poetry of say, Taylor Swift?"<br /><br />Fewer than Pac; all is well.<br /><br />But the fact is colleges and Uni's have been striving so valiantly to waste taxpayer dollars in the quest to demand righteously more taxpayer dollars there are courses on T. Swift, or at minimum relegated to her level or lesser of content, all over.<br /><br />Thought sucks, memorization of what the authorities demand us remember rules all.<br /><br />And don't you forget it.Guildofcannonballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352588747567045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12766544705384055962016-10-14T02:03:18.209-05:002016-10-14T02:03:18.209-05:00PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (at no marginal cost t...PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (at no marginal cost to you save time, the dear taxpayer)<br /><br />"If your mem’ry serves you well<br /> We were goin’ to meet again and wait<br /> So I’m goin’ to unpack all my things<br /> And sit before it gets too late<br /> No man alive will come to you<br /> With another tale to tell"<br /><br />always sounded like "we were gonna meet again (soon) anyway, so I'm going to unpack all my things and stay before it gets too late. No man alive, will comfort you, with another tale to tell"<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxdMqiKI08g" rel="nofollow">This is a link to the version I once knew as not Dylan derived. My error is your gain.</a>Guildofcannonballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352588747567045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30294170344719549592016-10-14T00:11:23.028-05:002016-10-14T00:11:23.028-05:00@Sebastion: "what is it about the intrinsic q...@Sebastion: "what is it about the intrinsic qualities of the poetry as poetry"<br /><br />I am assuming you understand that the Nobel Prize committee are talking about all of Dylan's lyrics in their award, not just the small amount of stuff he published as "poetry".<br /><br />A direct answer to your question: its a matter of opinion. But, some artists tend to, over time, develop reputations for being "great", ie, preeminent. You could say that its a popular vote, but it is a popular vote that persists for very long time.<br /><br />Shakespeare we remember, and his plays are produced all over the place. I don't see edgy Hollywood directors putting on plays by Andrew Marvell. Me, I can't wait to see the new Shakespeare movie (it will be out on Google Play or Netflix soon).<br /><br />Will Dylan's fame as a poet survive? Well, maybe - if the evidence so far, the Nobel Prize, and number of books and papers written by Literature Professors and the like is any guide.<br /><br />How many Literature Professors have written books about the poetry of say, Taylor Swift?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71036888522217056082016-10-13T23:14:32.260-05:002016-10-13T23:14:32.260-05:00The Iliad was sung, but the tune is forgotten.
Va...The Iliad was sung, but the tune is forgotten. <br />Various reconstructions have been attempted.<br />The NYT are as usual a gang of tasteless fools.<br /><br />I wonder what you have to do to work there. <br />There is some test that measures, with some accuracy, the unique blend of idiocy and depravity that they seek. <br />Some things man was not meant to know.buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369134902650235470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47494011257817085112016-10-13T22:39:53.328-05:002016-10-13T22:39:53.328-05:00There was a piece in the NYT today to the effect t...There was a piece in the NYT today to the effect that Dylan didn't deserve the Nobel because he sang his words. Nonsense. The very earliest poetry was sung. Personally I prefer Dylan unsung, because his voice was and remains bloody awful, but that's no excuse for disqualifying him from the Nobel. Michelle Dulak Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18041391162535875301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40506262933414235592016-10-13T22:26:00.818-05:002016-10-13T22:26:00.818-05:00Maya Angelou - thats the other major cause of the ...Maya Angelou - thats the other major cause of the decline of interest in literature in the schools. She and Toni Morison. <br />One-two whammy, and the poor kids break out in hives near any wad of paper. Its a most reliable thing. Mention any book, and they start tensing up and looking around for the quickest way to flee. <br /> <br />Locally they make absolutely, thoroughly sure, with, I gather, exquisite oriental cruelty. They assign Amy Tan. buwayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369134902650235470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41325046478678864102016-10-13T21:23:44.812-05:002016-10-13T21:23:44.812-05:00Kipling won a Nobel for poetry, note his poem IF ...Kipling won a Nobel for poetry, note his poem IF was actually about owning antique motorcycles.<br /><br />"If you can dream—and not make dreams your master; <br /> If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim; <br />If you can meet with TRIUMPH and Disaster <br /> And treat those two impostors just the same; <br />If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken <br /> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, <br />Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, <br /> And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:" MacMacConnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10675702658075274677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18473959538293589602016-10-13T21:16:01.841-05:002016-10-13T21:16:01.841-05:00@trad
What does Norge have to do with The Nobel C...@trad<br /><br />What does Norge have to do with The Nobel Committee for Literature at the Swedish Academy ?Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85151221549684722012016-10-13T21:15:59.805-05:002016-10-13T21:15:59.805-05:00What Robert Blair said.What Robert Blair said.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43581254123647870792016-10-13T20:47:35.341-05:002016-10-13T20:47:35.341-05:00Norge is the name of Norway used by the Norwegians...Norge is the name of Norway used by the Norwegians who don't know the real name in English. They also favor Norwegian authors.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25519221313264917812016-10-13T20:38:44.520-05:002016-10-13T20:38:44.520-05:00"I still feel the best thing about B. Dylan i..."I still feel the best thing about B. Dylan is his character," Yes, without knowing his whole oeuvre, that's the vibe I'm getting as well.<br /><br />@RB: ""If it don't sound good when I sing it, its a poem." Bob Dylan has been the pre-eminent poet of the world for many decades now." I understand that, given the blanket indictment of "modern poetry, that's not saying much, but still: what is it about the intrinsic qualities of the poetry as poetry, i.e., not sung as Dylan himself insisted, that makes it "pre-eminent"? Or is it just a matter of popular vote?<br /><br />The previous Nobel poets include Kipling, Tagore, Yeats, Eliot, Neruda, Milosz, Brodsky, Heaney, and Szymborska. That's a pretty impressive list, even allowing for Neruda's nasty politics. I'm no expert, but I have read some or much of the work of all these people, each great in his or her own way to this amateur reader. I'm not saying Dylan doesn't belong -- don't know enough to judge -- but why does he?Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00505631054204611033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6562494854623898152016-10-13T20:02:08.146-05:002016-10-13T20:02:08.146-05:00I think the Professor's nostalgia comes from D...I think the Professor's nostalgia comes from Dylan's bad boy image, his tight young ass on the seat of that T100. It's common for women who grew up in the 50s and came of age in the 60s.<br /><br />Think about the icons that women of that age adore who rode Triumph T100s.<br />Dylan<br />Neuman<br />Dean<br />Eastwood<br />Brando<br />McQueen<br />Beatty<br /><br />Chicks can't help themselves.MacMacConnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10675702658075274677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22273865590297585932016-10-13T19:39:54.074-05:002016-10-13T19:39:54.074-05:00I used to think Althouse's love of Dylan was b...I used to think Althouse's love of Dylan was based on nostalgia and an odd liking for nasally, Jewish singers.<br /><br />But in fact, it was based on a love of Literature.<br /><br />How I misjudged her. <br /><br />Who's your favorite fiction writer, Althouse? They might be in line for a Nobel Prize. rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60168406725401573832016-10-13T19:29:33.546-05:002016-10-13T19:29:33.546-05:00Bad Lieutenant said...
"Who's Bob Dylan?&... Bad Lieutenant said...<br />"Who's Bob Dylan?"<br /><br />He's the guy in the Triumph motorcycle tee shirt.MacMacConnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10675702658075274677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91834293908937268852016-10-13T19:09:03.983-05:002016-10-13T19:09:03.983-05:00Modern "poetry" (ie, that published and ...Modern "poetry" (ie, that published and sold as such) is unequivocally dead, and has been so for many decades.<br /><br />There are, I think, no 21st century "poets" (as defined above) who make their living from the sale of their poetry to the public.<br /><br />Strangely, there are more full-time "poets" alive now than at any time in History. All are on the public dime, in one parasitic way or another. Maya Angelou is a good example.<br /><br />Real modern poetry, the verse that people want to hear, and are willing to pay for, is in the popular music lyrics. Is all popular music great poetry? No way! Most of it is complete trash.<br />But quite a bit of it, as poetry, ranges from OK to quite good, with flashes of genius here and there.<br />Dylan was asked: "How do you decide if something you write is a poem or a song?".<br />"Well", he said, "I try to sing it, and if it sounds good its a song. If it don't sound good when I sing it, its a poem.".<br /><br />Bob Dylan has been the pre-eminent poet of the world for many decades now. <br /><br />The Nobel Committee is correct. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1586950848469946182016-10-13T18:06:19.094-05:002016-10-13T18:06:19.094-05:00The Vault Dweller said...I can now look forward to...The Vault Dweller said...I can now look forward to twenty or thirty years in the future when the Nobel prize for literature, is awarded to Eddie Vedder, or perhaps Dave Grohl.<br />10/13/16, 2:36 PM<br /><br />I think by then they'll be awarding Nobel prizes for Twitter tweeters.Michael Fitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02359671665534774344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9218720530743003072016-10-13T17:58:14.530-05:002016-10-13T17:58:14.530-05:00"Graceless slave,
you know who I am,
You kno..."Graceless slave, <br />you know who I am,<br />You know I can't let you, <br />slide through my hands"<br /><br />Wild Horses (NOT Wild Whore Says!!!) by Gram Parsons<br /><br />So if we find a slide to blame we can put blame on Gram; he's dead see.Guildofcannonballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352588747567045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76989708782366970672016-10-13T17:52:31.802-05:002016-10-13T17:52:31.802-05:00I still feel the best thing about B. Dylan is his ...I still feel the best thing about B. Dylan is his character, which was revealed, at least in my estimation, when some cop aged in her(?) early 20's picked up Bob thinking he was a bum.<br /><br />He answered he was playing a show when he was asked "what are you doing in town?" and also that he was staying at a certain hotel, so she took him to the hotel and sure enough, it all checked out. Older people laughed at the youthful cop(s) for not knowing who Dylan was, but Dylan did an almost 180 degree opposite of the "do you know who I am?" schtick certain folks like to play as if it were some damn divine decree in America that who someone is is more important than their actions.<br /><br />"Skip" Gates was condemning all of white America near the same time because cops were responding to a call at his property.<br /><br />Obama said the cops acted stupidly, without having a clue as to what happened.<br /><br />I think Dylan and all the cops in these two stories acted with character, and Obama and Gates did not.Guildofcannonballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352588747567045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62616534422495099232016-10-13T17:32:07.584-05:002016-10-13T17:32:07.584-05:00You slide up out of a chair by A) not jumping or s...You slide up out of a chair by A) not jumping or slinking and B) getting up out of it.<br /><br />The people in the town go about their business, not leading them anywhere in a meta sense such as if one were "going back to Cali, to Cali." Or going to Kansas City for that matter.<br /><br />Now friend, you need to buy something through Althouse's Amazon portal. <br /><br />Symbiosis.Guildofcannonballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352588747567045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26196312075329021022016-10-13T17:23:57.710-05:002016-10-13T17:23:57.710-05:00Who is Norge? Is he Swedish?Who is Norge? Is he Swedish?Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50950216269348663192016-10-13T17:20:52.565-05:002016-10-13T17:20:52.565-05:00Who's Bob Dylan?Who's Bob Dylan?Bad Lieutenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091901464339059169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54426872943583852512016-10-13T16:59:50.089-05:002016-10-13T16:59:50.089-05:00Good ones, FullMoon, Smilin', Earnest.
Whatev...Good ones, FullMoon, Smilin', Earnest.<br /><br />Whatever, we'll probably start with a bottle of wine. <br /><br />Maybe I'll see if I can balance a mattress on it.<br />Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.com