tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3025728289646144121..comments2024-03-29T06:43:42.360-05:00Comments on Althouse: Who will get subsidized under the new health care reform?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19380020379307354932010-03-28T16:32:50.955-05:002010-03-28T16:32:50.955-05:00So, if you make $88,000 and have a family of 4, yo...<i>So, if you make $88,000 and have a family of 4, you may have to fork out $8,800 a year ($733 a month). <br /><br />Holy shit!! That ain't saving anybody anything. I cover myself and 3 kids on my work insurance. It cost less than this.</i><br /><br />Pretty soon you won't even have that, seeing that it would be cheaper for your employer to cut you off and let you buy insurance on your own.<br /><br /><br /><br />If anyone can prove the Muslim thing, I'd like to see it. It sounds like a bunch of tinfoil hat stuff to me.Blue@9https://www.blogger.com/profile/16371286571496793710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89821585577295544902010-03-28T00:07:18.247-05:002010-03-28T00:07:18.247-05:00Basically, though, people who make three or four t...<i>Basically, though, people who make three or four times the poverty level would get enough federal money so that they would not have to pay more than about 10 percent of their income for a decent health insurance package.</i><br /><br />So if I'm doing the math right, my medical insurance premium is about to double. (The cost to me will double, that is. Plus cost of an additional "subsidy", indirectly paid via taxes.) Joy.<br /><br />vw: nooted. We are all about to be nooted by this bill.jaedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328666344764784829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42789355568592467552010-03-27T22:50:58.470-05:002010-03-27T22:50:58.470-05:00So, if you make $88,000 and have a family of 4, yo...<i>So, if you make $88,000 and have a family of 4, you may have to fork out $8,800 a year ($733 a month). </i><br /><br />Holy shit!! That ain't saving anybody anything. I cover myself and 3 kids on my work insurance. It cost less than this.DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85336820053600373052010-03-27T21:11:47.876-05:002010-03-27T21:11:47.876-05:00Knowing how federal law like this gets more and mo...Knowing how federal law like this gets more and more labyrinthine <i>(in honor of Ann and Meads crossing the Mississippi)</i> as time goes on, how messy do you think a 3000 page law will be in 10 years. Like the tax code, it will be entirely unknowable, if it isn't already. I mean, I know Joe Biden understands it, but us lesser minds are shit out of luck.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24792250250752385492010-03-27T19:51:16.215-05:002010-03-27T19:51:16.215-05:00It's sad that the young innocents who put Obam...<i>It's sad that the young innocents who put Obama in power will be those penalized. Yes, starting out $100 is a lot of money!</i><br /><br />Oh, I don't care if people dumb enough to have voted for Obama get bankrupted. I feel sorry for the young folks who are like I was -- i.e., not looking for a handout from the government, just trying to survive on their own.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1174372942836573962010-03-27T18:06:51.855-05:002010-03-27T18:06:51.855-05:00Revenant,
It's sad that the young innocents wh...Revenant,<br />It's sad that the young innocents who put Obama in power will be those penalized. Yes, starting out $100 is a lot of money!PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46734671471485028702010-03-27T17:20:05.820-05:002010-03-27T17:20:05.820-05:00In response to who will get subsidized under the n...In response to who will get subsidized under the new health care reform Althouse wrote - "Sorry, but I can't help thinking that millions of people are going to freak out."<br /><br />In an earlier post she referred to the following:<br /><br />"In Switzerland, where they spend only 11% of GDP on health care, their out-of-pocket expenses equal about 31% of total spending. The difference between 12% and 31% is huge. Once people begin spending substantial sums from their own pockets, they become willing to shop around. Ordinary market incentives begin to operate. A good bill would have encouraged that."<br /><br />If given the choice, would more people freak out under the Dems plan or under under Economics Nobelist Gary Becker's plan?marklewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05415072546941609808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82462554119599736432010-03-27T16:04:04.102-05:002010-03-27T16:04:04.102-05:00Thanks very much, Rialby. Things are just going to...Thanks very much, Rialby. Things are just going to get more and more interesting, aren't they?MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31359105290758546862010-03-27T15:49:25.809-05:002010-03-27T15:49:25.809-05:00It sounds like it's all up to Sibelius who is ...It sounds like it's all up to Sibelius who is exempt and who is not. <br /><br />The Health care Sharing Ministry language (which I won't post) talks about having to have been created by 1999. What I read yesterday tells me that most Amish belong to these. <br /><br />What does this say to you?Rialbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17776533305191250327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48668750254409622752010-03-27T15:42:32.592-05:002010-03-27T15:42:32.592-05:00And here's Sec. 1311 (d)(4)(H):
(H) subject t...And here's Sec. 1311 (d)(4)(H):<br /><br />(H) subject to section 1411, grant a certification attesting that, for purposes of the individual responsibility penalty under section 5000A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, an individual is exempt from the individual requirement or from the penalty imposed by such section because--<br /><br /> (i) there is no affordable qualified health plan available through the Exchange, or the individual’s employer, covering the individual; or<br /><br /> (ii) the individual meets the requirements for any other such exemption from the individual responsibility requirement or penalty;Rialbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17776533305191250327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66589993943093560672010-03-27T15:39:49.482-05:002010-03-27T15:39:49.482-05:00Ok - I think this is the applicable language:
(5...Ok - I think this is the applicable language: <br /><br />(5) EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS- In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:<br /><br />(A) In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.<br /><br /><br />Section 5000a is the section that lays out the mandate.<br /><br />Some more language directly from that section on religion:<br /><br />‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS-<br /><br /> ‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION- Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.<br /><br />So - here's one shocking thing - there isn't a Sec. 1402 G. It's not in the bill.Rialbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17776533305191250327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5928118818469172612010-03-27T15:39:33.790-05:002010-03-27T15:39:33.790-05:00The bill will impoverish the middle-class. Whateve...The bill will impoverish the middle-class. Whatever they had left after the crash in 2008, or managed to build up again since then, will be taken through taxes, fees, premiums or fines. It is a <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/25/dem_senator_health_legislation_will_address_the_mal-distribution_of_income_in_america.html" rel="nofollow">blatant redistribution of wealth. </a><br /><br />The wealthy will be able to swallow the new fees and taxes. The middle-classses (lower & upper) will be hit the worst. <br /><br />Yeah, I think some people are going to be upset. But they are also going to be made more dependent on the the govt.<br /><br />Obama promised the moon with this bill. When people realize it is not full of free cheese, O and the Dems will have some 'splaining to do.Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11577584676839171856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10487286937548080832010-03-27T15:37:10.912-05:002010-03-27T15:37:10.912-05:00Joe @ 3:30:
No, you are not the only one. My part...Joe @ 3:30:<br /><br />No, you are not the only one. My partner and I are financially frugal types which is the only reason why, despite both of us being unemployed, we are not freaking out over money - yet.<br /><br />We don't have kids and don't plan to - thus no heirs/dependents. Our plan is to rack up the debt as we get older and die with a shitload of unpaid debt. Timing will be crucial, but it will be one big "fuck you" from beyond the grave if carried out wisely.ALPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902185031359525209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21381662428765596122010-03-27T15:36:18.343-05:002010-03-27T15:36:18.343-05:00Is it true that Muslims are excluded? I keep heari...Is it true that Muslims are excluded? I keep hearing it, but haven't seen a real link.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1745003395668460162010-03-27T15:30:24.488-05:002010-03-27T15:30:24.488-05:00Speaking of subsidies, surely I can't be the o...Speaking of subsidies, surely I can't be the only one pissed that people who ran out and got in over their heads on loans AND FUCKING KNEW IT (and bragged about it) are now getting even more bailouts from the government.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04450897654318345683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67833986018730158382010-03-27T15:29:02.379-05:002010-03-27T15:29:02.379-05:00A friend told me today that his daughter, a genera...A friend told me today that his daughter, a general practice doctor in downtown Denver, had 20+ plus people show up at her office day before yesterday. No appointments, and more than half had never been patients of hers before. Somehow the word had gotten out that free health care was already in effect, and this was the place to go. They had a lot of trouble persuading the people that nothing had changed.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58556503275147701872010-03-27T15:05:02.723-05:002010-03-27T15:05:02.723-05:0014 minute audio interview with Paul Ryan U.S. Cong...14 minute audio interview with <a href="http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2010-0327-2.ram" rel="nofollow">Paul Ryan</a> U.S. Congressman, Wisconsin 1st District Topic: The True Cost of Health Care Reformlemondoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606734670170393751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60291159199869857712010-03-27T14:48:05.674-05:002010-03-27T14:48:05.674-05:00Nobody has a clue how this is all going to work. ...Nobody has a clue how this is all going to work. Including the morons who wrote the trainwreck legislation. So is my 22 year old daughter back on my health insurance? How about my vision and dental? I guess I should call the WH and see if anyone knows.Turtledovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06402141681142965698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48234824371260652122010-03-27T14:44:14.837-05:002010-03-27T14:44:14.837-05:00If Muslims are excluded isn't there a constitu...If Muslims are excluded isn't there a constitutional issue here? Discrimination against people based on religion? I can't wait for the lawyers to get a hold of this one.Peter V. Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209902525167395224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56691709794341461212010-03-27T14:41:30.294-05:002010-03-27T14:41:30.294-05:00Add to that the furious seniors and soon to be sen...Add to that the furious seniors and soon to be seniors who will face massive cuts in Medicare, especially essential services like MRIs, CT scans, and dialysis.<br /><br />Pelosi care was historic. She claimed it was as historic is the passing of Medicare. Now it is historic for the Destruction of medicare.<br /><br />Pelosi lied. Seniors died. That will be the new chant.Peter V. Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209902525167395224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1601402750597823082010-03-27T14:20:18.187-05:002010-03-27T14:20:18.187-05:00Ok - let's get some documentation on this so w...Ok - let's get some documentation on this so we're not running around like a bunch of WorldNetDaily readers. <br /><br />What is the exact language in the bill about religious exclusions from the mandate? Does it specifically say Amish and Christian Scientists? Does anyone know? If it in fact does include Muslims as well that is a HUGE story. Let's make sure we have it right before we go freeper.Rialbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17776533305191250327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35727200202925363312010-03-27T13:59:55.874-05:002010-03-27T13:59:55.874-05:00When I graduated from college and got my first job...When I graduated from college and got my first job in the mid-90s, I started at $24,000 a year. I didn't have health insurance because I couldn't afford it. It looks like this plan would have required me to pay around $100/month. I didn't HAVE $100/month back then. I'd have had to pay the $750 yearly fine instead. Probably by putting it on a credit card.<br /><br />Like Social Security and Medicare, this plan taxes the less fortunate to pay for the benefits of the better-off.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63589872131306356072010-03-27T13:40:34.842-05:002010-03-27T13:40:34.842-05:00What's with the funding for 16,000 more IRS ag...What's with the funding for 16,000 more IRS agents if the mandate fine isn't enforceable?<br /><br />I guess I won't even have to move to live in a Third World country - it's coming to me.avwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864098101712510563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81768427026236479652010-03-27T13:26:04.326-05:002010-03-27T13:26:04.326-05:00This will be instructive re how stupid the Left re...This will be instructive re how stupid the Left really is. Obama's not the man they voted for, and any fool can see his pattern of breaking agreements he's entered into to when it suits his need.<br /><br />So they supported this monstrosity, and will be surprised ALL OVER AGAIN when it doesn't perform as promised.<br /><br />Idiots.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83261049796499767892010-03-27T13:23:13.247-05:002010-03-27T13:23:13.247-05:00Who will get subsidized? Democrats and their spec...Who will get subsidized? Democrats and their special interest groups, of course. <br /><br />Same pattern that all the Marxists follow.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.com