tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2411190720549571015..comments2024-03-28T21:31:01.273-05:00Comments on Althouse: WaPo's Fact Checker gives 4 Pinocchios to Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren for tweeting that Michael Brown was murdered.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68949669302888106662019-08-14T13:48:33.514-05:002019-08-14T13:48:33.514-05:00I don't get why defamation law protects celebr...I don't get why defamation law protects celebrities, but doesn't protect an ordinary Joe Schmoe who has been involuntarily made a public figure. How can Hulk Hogan win, and Zimmerman, Sandmann, and Wilson can be defamed without consequence by any lefty pol, journo or drug store Injun who wants to make political hay.Char Char Binks, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649888089413308406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66989717493137082442019-08-14T08:06:31.291-05:002019-08-14T08:06:31.291-05:00CWJ said...
Chuck yanks the thread 500 miles east ...<i>CWJ said...<br />Chuck yanks the thread 500 miles east from Missouri to Virginia and all of you let him do it. He's laughing at you all. He craves attention more than anything. And you're giving it to him in spades.<br /><br />I get it. You're trying to hold him to account. But he's beyond shame much less reason. Just as his first instinct was to write "Fuck you" to AAT, responding in kind to him is equally appropriate. And move on.<br /></i><br /><br />Well, I am laughing at many of the commenters here, but not because I tricked them or threw them off.<br /><br />Read this page. Read my first comment. I was responding to Kevin, who at 6:06 am yesterday brought up the "fine people" mess. Scroll up. Look at it. I didn't bring up Charlottesville; Kevin did. Of course the mere appearance of my name, no matter what the literal terms of any debate are, sets off a fair number of Althouse commenters. I should be wearing a trigger warning around my neck for some of them. And they will want to have at me.<br /><br />I will confess to one thing. That is, that I don't let any mention of The Charlottesville Hoax Hoax go easily. And that is because I hate Scott Adams so much, and because my feelings for Steve Cortes are much the same, and because Althouse has made the point on her own account, of siding with them on the Charlottesville Hoax Hoax.<br /><br />I know that without violating any rule or policy of Althouse's comments pages, it is my mere presence that throws things off sometimes. Not because of what I've written but now because of who I am. And let's all be honest that that is what really bothers Althouse, and thereby Meade. Because the Trumpkins' deranged responses to me, take attention away from the blog hostess.<br /><br />It isn't what I want. I'd much prefer that commenters didn't make any personal attacks. At least not beyond the confines of the blog-post subject at hand. Everyone should keep their comments short and on-point. And accurate. Stick to the facts. I'd love some strict enforcement of those rules by a blog moderator.<br /><br />Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07676108366725199186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67250173213334819452019-08-14T06:34:59.687-05:002019-08-14T06:34:59.687-05:00Back to the topic....
Calling someone a murderer....Back to the topic....<br /><br />Calling someone a murderer. That's a big deal.<br />Calling someone a murderer AFTER an intense investigation at all levels finds the shooting justified. That's a very big deal.<br />Calling that exonerated individual a murderer to pander to racial division to gain votes. well, to quote Joe Biden,"That's a big fucking deal".<br /><br />So,what to do with this BFD?<br /><br />Obviously reporters will quiz Warren or Harris about the allegation of murder in light of the DOJ findings. Right?<br /><br />If they do, the MSM will make it front and center of the election coverage. Right?JAOREhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819907966430540035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91117054846543967792019-08-13T23:05:47.418-05:002019-08-13T23:05:47.418-05:00Chuck yanks the thread 500 miles east from Missour...Chuck yanks the thread 500 miles east from Missouri to Virginia and all of you let him do it. He's laughing at you all. He craves attention more than anything. And you're giving it to him in spades.<br /><br />I get it. You're trying to hold him to account. But he's beyond shame much less reason. Just as his first instinct was to write "Fuck you" to AAT, responding in kind to him is equally appropriate. And move on.CWJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598487232861475833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65045289458616596722019-08-13T22:44:59.224-05:002019-08-13T22:44:59.224-05:00gilbar;
If you are trying to make the point that T...gilbar;<br />If you are trying to make the point that Trump is a gaffe machine on a par with Joe Biden, I agree.<br />Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07676108366725199186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46720990137651071312019-08-13T21:48:19.599-05:002019-08-13T21:48:19.599-05:00four statements later, nobody is quite sure Chuc...<i>four statements later, nobody is quite sure </i> Chuck DOES have a point<br />"Black kids are just as bright as white kids "<br />"those kids in Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president"<br />the “tragic events in Houston” and “also in Michigan.”<br />“We choose truth over facts.”gilbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949243924046064880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89565165085463632172019-08-13T21:14:28.982-05:002019-08-13T21:14:28.982-05:00AAT said...
The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus on ...<i>AAT said...<br />The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus on Trump’s words...<br />...<br /></i><br /><br />Read it. Paragraph after paragraph of the several Trump statements on Charlottesville. <a href="https://thebulwark.com/the-charlottesville-hoax-hoax/" rel="nofollow"> All quoted in full and in context.</a> TrumpWorld wants there to be only a discussion of one part of one of several statements. Tracinski went through all of them, including the ones you'd apparently like to ignore.<br /><br />And of course that is one of the infuriating things about Trump. Trump will say four different things at four different times.<br /><br />Again, I am not interested in fighting about Trump's alleged racism. Others might be; I am not. I am not claiming that Trump is a racist. I am claiming that Trump is stupid and inept. Proof of his stupidity and ineptness is that four statements later, nobody is quite sure what Trump meant.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07676108366725199186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51339318702654352972019-08-13T21:12:22.739-05:002019-08-13T21:12:22.739-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07676108366725199186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51245726236020945572019-08-13T18:02:47.793-05:002019-08-13T18:02:47.793-05:00I see our two resident racists** are here to lectu...I see our two resident racists** are here to lecture us about racism.<br /><br />I guess they'd know...<br /><br /><br /><br />** Chuck, of "Department of Black People" fame, and Crack, who openly advocated the murder of white police officers by black peopleDanTheManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07388305611132014815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89060735709860689562019-08-13T17:49:29.647-05:002019-08-13T17:49:29.647-05:00AAT at 5:30 PM
The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus ...AAT at 5:30 PM<br /><i>The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus on Trump’s words. It is built on “context” that is dubious, to put it charitably. Once he builds this argument about context, based on a lot of highly questionable assumptions, he then uses that context to twist Trump’s words.</i><br /><br />I call such arguments <b>tendentious</b>, defined by the <i>Merriam-Webster Dictionary</i> <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tendentious" rel="nofollow">as follows</a>:<br /><br />Tendentious <i>is one of several words English speakers can choose when they want to suggest that someone has made up his or her mind in advance.</i>Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73748202129539758222019-08-13T17:30:28.041-05:002019-08-13T17:30:28.041-05:00The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus on Trump’s word...The Bulwark argument doesn’t focus on Trump’s words. It is built on “context” that is dubious, to put it charitably. Once he builds this argument about context, based on a lot of highly questionable assumptions, he then uses that context to twist Trump’s words. That’s not a “reasonable” argument, since his conclusion, like Chuck’s, is that there is no other possible way to read Trump’s words. Assuming that Trump was only exposed to the video that he chooses to admit to, and the press that he chooses to admit to, and that the President of the United States had no other sources of information of which the Bulwark was not aware, and EVEN THOUGH the fucking NEW YORK TIMES showed that these assumptions are wrong, assuming that the New York Times incorrectly reported about who was in attendance, sure, assuming all of those things you can “prove” that Trump could only have meant one thing.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63619706949594764452019-08-13T17:24:19.889-05:002019-08-13T17:24:19.889-05:00But let's get to Brass Tacks....
I'm not s...But let's get to Brass Tacks....<br /><i>I'm not surprised at all that an amped up 300 pound man charging an officer would not be hit with a significant, "stopping" shot with multiple 9mm rounds. Especially moments after the officer was attacked in his car.</i><br /><br /><b> how does This effect people's plan for Bears?</b> Sounds like a clip of 9mm full metal jacket rounds would just be extra weight to carry around??gilbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949243924046064880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89677034491836244722019-08-13T17:21:42.539-05:002019-08-13T17:21:42.539-05:00i still find it hilarious noticing that when a Lif...i still find it hilarious noticing that when a Life Long Liberal runs out of arguments (or argues himself into a corner).... Out comes the potty mouth<br /><br />Must be a drag to have, as your goto argument: Saying F You! to people.<br /><br />Still want to know your opinion on Rose's Lime juice (WITH the fresh lemons)? gilbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949243924046064880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63603392878089147052019-08-13T17:20:57.872-05:002019-08-13T17:20:57.872-05:00"but the Trump-haters will show you -- using ..."but the Trump-haters will show you -- using his own words -- that he said so.”<br /><br />As long as they leave out a lot of stuff and start with the assumption that Trump is a racist. If you don’t start with that assumption, you can’t get there. That’s unreasonable.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70793459374972177542019-08-13T16:55:20.167-05:002019-08-13T16:55:20.167-05:00AAT at 4:25 AM
Maybe I don’t understand the defini...AAT at 4:25 AM<br /><i>Maybe I don’t understand the definition of “reasonable” in use here. The only way you can get to racist is if you assume that he is one before you start your analysis and disallow certain documented facts from consideration.</i><br /><br />People quote Trump's words, which supposedly say that racists are fine people. <br /><br />That argument is "reasonable" in that it is based on reasoning about facts.<br /><br />Trump is an impulsive, sloppy talker. His words often can be interpreted by tendentious critics differently than he intended them to mean.<br /><br />In this particular case, he did not intend to communicate that racists are fine people, but the Trump-haters will show you -- using his own words -- that he said so.<br /><br />The lack of civility in our country's political discussion is abysmal and is becoming worse. Our Democracy is in a downward spiral.Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16236434415320805652019-08-13T16:39:59.471-05:002019-08-13T16:39:59.471-05:00it is not reasonable at all to take Trump’s statem...<i>it is not reasonable at all to take Trump’s statements on Charlottesville as praise for white supremacists.</i><br /><br />It's not. His point is that we should avoid indulging diversitist thought and practice, and recognize a separation of interests, which did not converge to the popular, and, apparently, progressive misjudgment and labels fueled by color judgments, political leverage, media trials, and secular incentives.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64920753042829245582019-08-13T16:32:09.531-05:002019-08-13T16:32:09.531-05:00The problem at Charlottesville was Antifa-induced ...The problem at Charlottesville was Antifa-induced violence, including setting up an abortion zone for national attention, that concluded with abortion of one of their own. The label "white supremacist", or color supremacist generally, is a diversitist statement based on the conflation of interests and people that propelled people to defend Confederate memories and artificts, which included the minority leaders' practice of redistributive change, involuntary exploitation, and diversity. This progressed as witch hunts by neo-fascist activists, and warlock trials prosecuted by the media, with liberal license to judge and label for political persecution.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73707363606309614432019-08-13T16:28:17.571-05:002019-08-13T16:28:17.571-05:00One wonders why Europe is so zealous about protect...One wonders why Europe is so zealous about protecting their auto industry when we allow their cars to be freely sold here if those jobs making automobiles are so worthless.<br /><br />Average IQ is 100, what kinds of jobs are there for guys with IQs like that in industries that deal with the manipulation of abstractions, where the money is in a “free trade” economy?tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58623724536978673842019-08-13T16:25:19.378-05:002019-08-13T16:25:19.378-05:00"Trump's statements can be interpreted re..."Trump's statements can be interpreted reasonably as supporting the racists, but I think that interpretation is tendentious and wrong.”<br /><br />Maybe I don’t understand the definition of “reasonable” in use here. The only way you can get to racist is if you assume that he is one before you start your analysis and disallow certain documented facts from consideration. My personal opinion of Chuck’s opinion, and those who continue on with this hoax is that they assume what they are trying to prove. I think you are doing that a little bit yourself. Which pains me to say, because I was really proud of my "Lizzie Warren” poem and appreciated your praise of it.<br /><br />I don’t think that Trump is the most precise speaker, and certainly his enemies like Chuck use that to come up with the most bizarre interpretations of his words, but iin this case, I think that it is not reasonable at all to take Trump’s statements on Charlottesville as praise for white supremacists.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3541079085328061022019-08-13T16:22:06.617-05:002019-08-13T16:22:06.617-05:00The problem for "free trade" is the incl...The problem for "free trade" is the inclusion of states that force market distortions through environmental and labor arbitrage, undermining the organic balance in a free market system, and, of course, climate change and human rights violations.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58231570287420584652019-08-13T15:59:59.176-05:002019-08-13T15:59:59.176-05:00Send more gin!
Send more gin!<br />Jon Ericsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548597217632737704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90434557205582016652019-08-13T15:59:08.856-05:002019-08-13T15:59:08.856-05:00AAT at 3:46 PM
I used to believe in free trade, bu...AAT at 3:46 PM<br /><i>I used to believe in free trade, but it simply hasn’t worked out for us.</i><br /><br />Trump won the election with this issue, so I am keeping an open mind and watching him do it his way. Maybe he will succeed. <br /><br />Even though I generally favor free trade, I will live and learn.Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65951293364121137452019-08-13T15:58:37.315-05:002019-08-13T15:58:37.315-05:00We talked about this subject last night, here, whe...<i>We talked about this subject last night, here, where I said where I accused Warren and Harris of "crudely, clumsily groping for black voters" and said it was "cynical, damaging, and patronizing."</i><br /><br />And it's also inflammatory, divisive, hateful, and a typical Democrat tactic.gerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865564381083435425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30745371056489214542019-08-13T15:53:43.430-05:002019-08-13T15:53:43.430-05:00AAT at 3:39 PM
... Chuck’s position is that there ...AAT at 3:39 PM<br /><i>... Chuck’s position is that there is only one way to look at Trump’s words, and that is that Trump was praising White Supremacists.</i><br /><br />I don't think that President Trump is a racist or that he intended to communicate approval of the racists who demonstrated in Charlottesville. <br /><br />I do think, though, that Trump was shooting his mouth off about a situation where he was poorly informed and that his talk was sloppy. I agree with Chuck about that.<br /><br />Trump's statements can be interpreted reasonably as supporting the racists, but I think that interpretation is tendentious and wrong.<br /><br />Trump has clarified his statement many times. His clarification should be accepted by his critics. He did not intend to express any approval of any racism. That should be the end of that discussion.Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55090309277117601992019-08-13T15:46:17.183-05:002019-08-13T15:46:17.183-05:00"Trump's international trade policies are..."Trump's international trade policies are taking us on a wild ride.”<br /><br />Well the steady transfer of good paying jobs for people without elite educations over to China wasn’t such a great ride either. American auto manufacturers dominate in only one area, light trucks. Those trucks have been protected by tariffs. Ford is now leaving the business of building cars. Not everybody is going to be able to go into software. There need to be good paying jobs in the Midwest and the South too.<br /><br />I used to believe in free trade, but it simply hasn’t worked out for us. God forbid if we should ever need our steel and heaving manufacturing again in a hurry the way we needed them in the 1940s. It takes two to tango.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.com