tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2342409423789134355..comments2024-03-29T09:37:43.830-05:00Comments on Althouse: "As an ideologically based movement, socialism is no longer vital."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67896132145573112922012-07-04T11:03:26.382-05:002012-07-04T11:03:26.382-05:00Over the years since Marxism was thrust upon the w...Over the years since Marxism was thrust upon the world watered down secondhand Marxist principles have become accepted as part of the conventional wisdom in the USA(healthcare needs reforming!). <br /><br />If Romney wins the trend may be slowed. If Obama wins it will accelerate. Either way, government intrusion will probably grow until the government controls everything.gracklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138997480493469444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47604337160399910402012-07-03T20:10:56.801-05:002012-07-03T20:10:56.801-05:00According to the article, bagoh, you can thank soc...According to the article, bagoh, you can thank socialism for your ascension to middle class.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42957518105461488922012-07-03T20:04:02.673-05:002012-07-03T20:04:02.673-05:00Did anyone read the article? So much leftist cant ...Did anyone read the article? So much leftist cant parading as accepted fact that I didn't make it past the third graf.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67332857160140240052012-07-03T16:49:17.254-05:002012-07-03T16:49:17.254-05:00You people are talking about the wrong "ism.&...You people are talking about the wrong "ism." What we are witnessing under Obama is Fascist Corporatism. One doesn't have to own the means of production if one totally regulates it such that the pvt sector can only exist by doing their govt masters bidding. And the "Crony Capitalism" exhibited by the sweetheart deals favored companies like Solyndra, et al got--along with the favored status shown unions, favored industries and Blue States who are, for example, exempted from the worst aspects of Obamacare follow the histiorical Nazi and Italian Fascist Corporatist playbook. Hitler nwas once asked in a newspaper interview circa 1936 where he thought his arch enemy Communism would eventually end up, to which he replied: "Oh, I think they'll eventually end up where we already are.." And true enough, the emphasis on the "National" in Socialism and widespread corruption and crony corporate dealings is exactly what the SU under Brezhnev et al ended up being. Hitler was very perceptive in this regard. Like Nixon, he had a uncanny genius for unsentimental political analysis. Sportsfans, Corporate Fascism is what we are witnessing unfolding before our very eyes.virgil xenophonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11491836830352263438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29361756201111416612012-07-03T16:34:06.311-05:002012-07-03T16:34:06.311-05:00Oh and is Singapore allowing millions of illegal ...Oh and is Singapore allowing millions of illegal aliens in to test that wonderful healthcare system?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13969995053844439312012-07-03T16:33:46.644-05:002012-07-03T16:33:46.644-05:00C4 - for those Americans "haves", the he...C4 - for those Americans "haves", the health care system is top notch. For everyone else, not so much. You can keep the NHS.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21517721865602689702012-07-03T16:22:50.242-05:002012-07-03T16:22:50.242-05:00Most of the Left understands now that the way to g...Most of the Left understands now that the way to get the most money out of their productive slaves is to let them create it first in a relatively free market (relative to communism, anyway) and then confiscate it AFTER it's been created. That produces a lot more money then seizing all the property and trying to motivate the slaves to work for nothing, as in the Soviet Union.<br /><br />But socialism weakens a society by reversing the rewards for productivity and penalities for unproductivity that exist in nature and in free markets. A la "Idiocracy", the population gets stupider as the lazy and stupid have children with abandon and the prudent hold back from having children. <br /><br />So our socialist West will slowly sink into a miasma of egalitarian mediocrity. It could be hundreds or thousands of years before a new society that is beautiful and excellent in the way the West used to be springs up, just like Rome and Greece have never recovered from their degeneration.<br /><br />But there is going to be a tremendous competitive advantage for whichever society or people organizes itself again around the "creative destruction" of social Darwinism, of free markets, first. They are going to have easy pickings from the soft, degenerate socialist societies of the West. I personally hope it will be a core of committed white Western men who rise up in this fashion, something like the first American Revolutionaries sprung up from the English colonists. There's no knowing for sure, but that's where my hopes lie as I watch the fruits of the first American Revolution accelerate their decay.<br /><br />(I read someone called Obamacare and the notorious Roberts decision "The Declaration of Dependence." Fitting name.)MnMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110007186831549266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32980693065661907702012-07-03T15:48:55.996-05:002012-07-03T15:48:55.996-05:00No one wants the American system imported into the...No one wants the American system imported into their countries. <br />On the other hand, if you are very rich, are immigrating into the US to get a great job, or getting free "cadillac care" as an illegal from Mexico....<br /><br />It's just fucking great!!Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21428914030723421082012-07-03T15:39:22.088-05:002012-07-03T15:39:22.088-05:00C4 channels Yogi Berra: "No one goes there no...C4 channels Yogi Berra: "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."Calypso Factohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01455217189407301218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81003552967964403702012-07-03T15:20:29.749-05:002012-07-03T15:20:29.749-05:00@Cedarford. "No one in Asia or Europe wants t...@Cedarford. <i>"No one in Asia or Europe wants that piece of American shit.</i>"<br /><br />Then the Chinese and Spanish folks I see here in the USA for medical care have some explaining to do.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46473106586330228982012-07-03T15:09:42.203-05:002012-07-03T15:09:42.203-05:00William said...
Most everyone in Britain hates the...William said...<br />Most everyone in Britain hates the NHS and most everyone wants to keep it.<br />===============<br />In Europe, Asia - the US healthcare system is looked at as the worst, most expensive, most inefficient system in the advanced world...With unthinkable numbers of lower level citizen workers locked out, but somehow not illegal aliens locked out, of access. With medical bankruptcies. Denial of insurance for those with genetic risks or cancer or dropping of insurance of those with a long-term illness.<br /><br />No one in Asia or Europe wants that piece of American shit.<br /><br />The talk in the UK is never about how to get American health care system imported. It is how to make the PHS as good as the French, German, or Japanese, Singporean models.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18936960490242040942012-07-03T13:45:16.024-05:002012-07-03T13:45:16.024-05:00"First, then, State Socialism, which may be d..."First, then, State Socialism, which may be described as the doctrine that all the affairs of men should be managed by the government, regardless of individual choice. "<br /><br />Benjamin Tucker <br />--Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16099940931064117337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70440103885192595502012-07-03T13:32:04.891-05:002012-07-03T13:32:04.891-05:00Pogo said...
They won.
But all bills must be pai...Pogo said...<br />They won. <br /><br />But all bills must be paid. The Tories won't need to cut the NHS, it's already being cut for lack of funds. See: Greece, Spain, Italy.<br /><br />Like the profligate grandson of a wealthy man, shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.<br /><br />7/3/12 10:04 AM<br />----------<br /><br />A variant of starve the beast.jungathearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052796343893692840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79146195871660438892012-07-03T12:39:10.537-05:002012-07-03T12:39:10.537-05:00Socialism, fascism, progressivism are all the same...Socialism, fascism, progressivism are all the same. They concentrate power in the hands of as few people as possible and dictate everything from the top down. It is a pointless intellectual exercise to try to delineate the differences because it only amounts to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.<br /><br />In the end they will all take you to the bottom with them.georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402720592452236525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8973000740148564202012-07-03T12:33:17.758-05:002012-07-03T12:33:17.758-05:00"Most everyone in Britain hates the NHS and m..."Most everyone in Britain hates the NHS and most everyone wants to keep it. That's the real tragedy of the welfare state. "<br /><br />They call the first group, "the sick" and the second group "the well."<br /><br />A friend of mine, an older surgeon professor in London, likes the NHS but it has been good to him. He is a consultant surgeon and professor making a good living all these years with no responsibility except to do good surgery.<br /><br />What he is worried about is the fact that young women medical students, who are English in ethnicity, are becoming Muslim. Muslim women doctors are now refusing to scrub their arms in surgery. The infection rate is climbing and nobody seems able to do anything about it.Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47341035167304416802012-07-03T12:32:06.056-05:002012-07-03T12:32:06.056-05:00Hey binsburg, you stalinist bee from hell, tell us...Hey binsburg, you stalinist bee from hell, tell us more about "economic justice," don't stint, lay it on thick137b uressmon as only you can.ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71678684994008911362012-07-03T12:30:07.949-05:002012-07-03T12:30:07.949-05:00Socialism was free compared to the yoke of Obama-P...Socialism was free compared to the yoke of Obama-Pelosi fascism now being put upon our shoulders.<br /><br />Query: When there is a National directorate agency necessary to do any businesses, then how can "employees" of those businesses be seen as anything except serfs.<br /><br />They will not be able to leave their jobs for another job without permission, anymore than serfs could leave the landed estate they were born upon.<br /><br />Rome is coming back, big time.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21660795627310003852012-07-03T12:07:14.855-05:002012-07-03T12:07:14.855-05:00Colonel,
Countries like Greece, Italy, Spain are ...Colonel,<br /><br /><i>Countries like Greece, Italy, Spain are proving that you can't sustain the type of generous welfare state they have even with large tax rates. Now even France is succumbing to the same kind of debt spiral that Greece is facing. </i><br /><br />This is so obvious all these countries doubled down on socialism. France just elected a president who is a hardcore socialist. The lesson is easy to understand, but people don't, for whatever reason, as is obvious from these countries. I think it's clear these people who rather Europe sink back into the dark ages with another collapse of civilization rather than work for a living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54785202715381496532012-07-03T11:54:07.562-05:002012-07-03T11:54:07.562-05:00"Only a few corporatist ideas are in the inte..."Only a few corporatist ideas are in the interest of workers and can be considered socialist in my view and healthcare mandates without public options are certainly not."<br /><br />I agree that the Democrats aren't socialist. Today's Democrat party isn't interested in the least in people who work, at least in the sense of them doing well. They are, however, very interested in how to take their money and give it to those who don't work.TosaGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08520232078421382322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2495937634741917282012-07-03T11:46:28.231-05:002012-07-03T11:46:28.231-05:00ella binsburg said...
The article shows whats wron...ella binsburg said...<br />The article shows whats wrong with todays left: Its quotes no socialists but only leftwing libertarians, people who adopt conservative or moderate positions on economic questions and radical positions on social issues.<br /><br />A successful socialist movement, would be the exact opposite: Open to people who hold traditional opinions on social questions, but determined and clear on economic justice.<br /><br />I'm entitled and thus you owe me. Write the check. How is that for social justice?cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61786131199083754512012-07-03T11:28:59.272-05:002012-07-03T11:28:59.272-05:00"I think it very odd to equate "economic..."I think it very odd to equate "economic justice" - whatever that means, with socialism."<br /><br />Most anti-socialists do!<br /><br />"Hell, modern conservatives think there own damn ideas are socialism. I blame Obama."<br /><br />Not every state intervention is socialism. Only a few corporatist ideas are in the interest of workers and can be considered socialist in my view and healthcare mandates without public options are certainly not.La Pasionariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03920639184427154930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11344318720592274342012-07-03T11:16:48.352-05:002012-07-03T11:16:48.352-05:00Britain's NHS and, God help us, even Cuba'...Britain's NHS and, God help us, even Cuba's health care system are presented not as cautionary tales to be avoided but as examplars to be imitated.....Men used to die significantly younger than women. This was not related to physiology but to the fact that men smoked more than women. Any discrepancy in the mortality rates between Europeans and Americans can be explained by the fact that European cigarettes are foul and expensive, and people consequently smoke far less. That and the fact that traffic deaths are very rare because no one can afford to drive more than ten miles a week. It's not the socialized medicine that keeps Europeans ticking. It's their crappy, albeit virtuous, lifestyle.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91138809282576873212012-07-03T11:13:47.024-05:002012-07-03T11:13:47.024-05:00"The world is painted in a drab monotone, and...<i>"The world is painted in a drab monotone, and this is considered egalitarian, not just by the color blind, but by those who have never seen a flash of color."</i><br /><br />And it's the preference of the people who should most despise it: artists, creative minds, people who prize their independence (or at least think they do) These are the first ones persecuted. They think that being free of the demands of supporting oneself and answering to their fellow citizens will allow them to be and do what they want, unfettered. It never happens like that - never has - never will. You end up with all that AND a coercive state forcing you to stay in the gray with no door out.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80191090553863895412012-07-03T11:12:46.454-05:002012-07-03T11:12:46.454-05:00The reason liberals always win is because they lov...The reason liberals always win is because they love what they do which is gaining control of other people's lives, in effect turning the majority of us into children and why not, aren't they "the best and brightest".<br />Conservatives for the most part like do their own thing and believe other people should do the same.<br />So the Republican party is "the stupid party" because they are the amateurs and the Democrats are the professionals. Sadly, our country suffers the consequences.dreamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758740197698814061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79985598994361401492012-07-03T11:05:38.683-05:002012-07-03T11:05:38.683-05:00I agree with Pogo, they won.
My medical email lis...I agree with Pogo, they won.<br /><br />My medical email listserves are full of people celebrating the triumph of Obamacare. They're so busy dancing they can't see the power that's been given to the state to compel us to purchase whatever they think we need to purchase - for the "public good" of course. Whatever that may be at any given moment.Sydneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17038514318463662024noreply@blogger.com