tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2183788532545491581..comments2024-03-29T05:01:52.320-05:00Comments on Althouse: The complicated story of Linda Lovelace — soon to be 2 motion pictures.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25524207996138782962012-03-28T07:46:09.106-05:002012-03-28T07:46:09.106-05:00The "Deep Throat" story was the subject ...The "Deep Throat" story was the subject of an episode of "Nothing Personal" on Investigation Discovery channel recently and they replay it frequently.<br /><br />"Deep Throat" pretty much opened the eyes of the mafia to porn as they tended to look down upon it before then. The 2 guys from the Columbo family who financed it were working independently and the director/creator of the film had to have Ms Lovelace personally convince them that this film was going to be something special. Specifics of what Revenant asked about mob-owned theaters is addressed and they even had guys at the theaters with hand-clickers to get an exact count of moviegoers to make sure they theaters were reporting accurate numbers.<br /><br />After it exploded, not only did Ms Lovelace not receive anything, the creator/director was "bought out" for about $25K.TomBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602288608435640097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91021824520986949642012-03-27T23:55:52.327-05:002012-03-27T23:55:52.327-05:00Never seen this obviously fine film. I think it...Never seen this obviously fine film. I think it's funny that Pauline Kael wanted to review it for The New Yorker, but that her editor, William Shawn, wouldn't let her.MisterBuddwinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17121831316136762751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89927176115181484412012-03-27T19:36:18.674-05:002012-03-27T19:36:18.674-05:00Or - the woman was in fact raped (so she's not...<i>Or - the woman was in fact raped (so she's not making a false accusation), but there's insufficient proof to charge the man.</i><br /><br />The reality is that this is the "sex the woman later regretted having had" kind of "rape".<br /><br />It is obvious from the film that the sex was consensual. Or, rather, it is obvious from the film that she can't act her way out of a paper bag, and thus it is implausible that she was disguising the horror a real rape victim would be feeling at that moment.<br /><br />And honestly, what incentive would the crew have had to go along with a rape? Even then there was no shortage of consenting actresses. If the film itself was supposedly about rape I can see mobbed-up producers trying a stunt like that -- but the idea that they passed over consenting actresses just so they could film a rape victim pretending to have consensual sex? That's nuts.<br /><br />Here's a more rational belief: like many drug addicts who made a lot of bad life choices, Lovelace blamed everybody but herself for her problems. There's no doubt she was around a lot of people who used her -- but there's no doubt she herself was a user, of drugs and of other people. "Christians" and "feminists" were just two more groups of co-dependents.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56758799736399000542012-03-27T18:36:08.302-05:002012-03-27T18:36:08.302-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91474195723705434722012-03-27T17:30:14.706-05:002012-03-27T17:30:14.706-05:00Some perversions are more perverse than others. N...Some perversions are more perverse than others. Nowadays, if you chose to purchase silicone breasts, receive hormone injections, and have your penis lopped off in order to fulfill your destiny as a woman, this is considered an honorable and brave manifestation of free will.....A lot of women chose freely to enter into abusive relationships with men. The abuse isn't the bug but the feature of the relationship. It happens not just among hookers but among all classes of women. There are any number of successful chanteuses who have had such relationships with their managers and/or husbands......Linda claims to have been victimized by everyone she knew, and perhaps she was. The guess here is that masochism was a big part of her nature. If you go to bed with that many dogs, you should consider the possibility that you're a flea.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16625881188632047232012-03-27T17:21:45.539-05:002012-03-27T17:21:45.539-05:00It is a crime to charge innocent men with rape. It...It is a crime to charge innocent men with rape. It's a crime to falsely accuse anyone of any crime. <br /><br />The problem with so many rape cases is that they often come down to "he said/she said" scenarios. Toss in a lot of stereotypes (she's a hooker, he's her husband, she's a porn star, she was dressed like a hooker, she let him take her home, she went home with him, therefore how can it be rape?), and it's really tough to make a case. <br /><br />For eons, the man was given the benefit of the doubt in these situations. The pendulum has swung the other way. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's only to be expected. <br /><br />If men and women would treat each other with respect, would treat themselves with respect, there'd be fewer of these sketchy situations. <br /><br />Now men have to abide by the same unspoken rules women did -- don't be alone with her, don't take her home, don't get drunk around her, don't pick up strange women in bars, don't act like you're all over her and are trying to get into her pants in public, etc. <br /><br />As for Linda Lovelace, it's a sad, depressing story. Hopefully she's found her peace in the next life.~Ninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952223887024831105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45533317334557255472012-03-27T15:31:55.203-05:002012-03-27T15:31:55.203-05:00Define profitable. If you subtract 30 grand from ...Define profitable. If you subtract 30 grand from 600 million, it may be considered among the most profitable. But there are other considerations well beyond such a simple calculation (for instance, percent split with the exhibitors, which I suspect got a higher percent from week one than major studio releases do). It's a safe bet that, despite what Fox reports, Titanic was far more profitable; same with Avatar and probably a number of other films.cassandra litehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05661663886927944366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23879846415946872142012-03-27T15:15:22.003-05:002012-03-27T15:15:22.003-05:00Or - the woman was in fact raped (so she's not...<i>Or - the woman was in fact raped (so she's not making a false accusation), but there's insufficient proof to charge the man.</i><br /><br />Of course you're right. In fact that may be true in a great number of cases. <br /><br />Still, there is this sort of politicized rape claim, where you don't go to the police, but you do go to the media. You write a book about it. Or sue a corporation and say it's their fault. <br /><br />As far as I know, there was no police investigation of her rape claims. None. <br /><br />That's bullshit. Take women seriously! If she charges rape, investigate. Find out the truth.<br /><br />If she's lying, throw her in prison. <br /><br />But you're right, obviously you need probable cause before you arrest anyone! <br /><br />And rape (or a false claim of rape) can be a notoriously difficult case to prosecute, as it's often one person's word against another person. <br /><br />But this Lovelace story bothers me. We're so glib about her rape charge. From the story: <br /><br /><i>Quite how much Lovelace had to be coerced into the sex industry remains a moot point, with fellow porn stars insisting she was a willing collaborator.</i><br /><br />Moot point? She's dead so we're not worried about truth anymore?<br /><br />It should be a crime to charge innocent men with rape.Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61184434281769379072012-03-27T14:47:08.578-05:002012-03-27T14:47:08.578-05:00I read her book "Ordeal".
Whether true ...I read her book "Ordeal".<br /><br />Whether true or not, you'll never look at Sammy Davis Jr. the same way again.eddie willershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624004872700778288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40125772117926001552012-03-27T14:43:02.735-05:002012-03-27T14:43:02.735-05:00When a woman makes a rape allegation, in my opinio...<i>When a woman makes a rape allegation, in my opinion there should be an arrest. Is there a reason to believe the man is a rapist? Then arrest him. Or, in the alternative, is there a reason to believe that this is a false and malicious allegation of rape? Then arrest her.</i><br /><br />Or - the woman was in fact raped (so she's not making a false accusation), but there's insufficient proof to charge the man. If I haven't wasted hours and hours watching <i>Law and Order</i> it's a waste of time arresting someone if you don't have sufficient evidence against them to make charges stick (a fact lost on the people demanding that George Zimmerman be arrested).RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346484258194484053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24774611640179790672012-03-27T14:16:45.029-05:002012-03-27T14:16:45.029-05:00Here's the man she's alleging raped her. ...Here's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reems" rel="nofollow">the man</a> she's alleging raped her. He's not the only rapist, apparently. She's alleging the director, the producer, the entire cast and crew are all rapists. It's a conspiracy of rapists. <br /><br />When a woman makes a rape allegation, in my opinion there should be an arrest. <br /><br />Is there a reason to believe the man is a rapist? Then arrest him. <br /><br />Or, in the alternative, is there a reason to believe that this is a false and malicious allegation of rape? Then arrest her.<br /><br />Feminists have made a horrible practice of throwing around the "rape" word whenever they want to advance women's rights.<br /><br />Jane Roe made a false allegation of rape, in order to appear more sympathetic. She and her feminist lawyers were using our sympathy for actual rape victims for their own political gain.<br /><br />It's obscene.<br /><br />You do realize that every false allegation of rape means that we're a little less likely to believe an actual rape victim?<br /><br />Do feminists want us to start saying, "she's playing the rape card"?Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49114622108352576802012-03-27T14:05:57.465-05:002012-03-27T14:05:57.465-05:00Oh, as to why it might be, in certain cases--impor...Oh, as to why it might be, in certain cases--important, or at least interesting--to know about possible closeted gays in government, such (usually) men, in trying so hard to hide their real nature from the public, or even from themselves, can assume public personas of rigid and harshly judgmental rectitude, to the point where they become merciless in their persecution of others. Witness J. Edgar Hoover or "Tailgunner" Joe McCarthy or his lawyer Roy Cohn...or the rather more forgettable members of Congress of recent years who have been apparent exemplars of "family values" but who have led secret gay lives.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46056221349877341532012-03-27T13:51:45.112-05:002012-03-27T13:51:45.112-05:00http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-28/news/30...http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-28/news/30566857_1_rebozo-book-claims-first-lady-pat-nixon<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078822/Did-Nixon-gay-affair-Mafia-fixer-Forget-Watergate-A-new-book-claims-Americas-corrupt-President-hid-far-personal-scandal-.html<br /><br />http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1108438--richard-nixon-may-have-had-gay-relationship-with-bebe-rebozo-his-confidant-and-banker-book-allegesRobert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36427996707110961852012-03-27T13:41:41.488-05:002012-03-27T13:41:41.488-05:00"I've heard suggestions..."
Lefties...<i>"I've heard suggestions...</i>"<br /><br />Lefties are always insinuating about latent/closeted homosexuality.<br /><br />Why do you do that?KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63623148808681910722012-03-27T13:37:35.695-05:002012-03-27T13:37:35.695-05:00"Richard Nixon saw Deep Throat 7 times. It to...<i>"Richard Nixon saw Deep Throat 7 times. It took that many times to get it doown Pat."</i><br /><br />What makes you think he was interested in Pat? I've heard suggestions that his "close friendship" with Bebe Rebozo was more than just a friendship.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89330586575153321882012-03-27T13:04:15.256-05:002012-03-27T13:04:15.256-05:00In related news, Jane Fonda will be playing Nancy ...In related news, Jane Fonda will be playing Nancy Reagan.Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19857075011454634152012-03-27T13:02:04.110-05:002012-03-27T13:02:04.110-05:00You should probably take a look at Pink Cross, a C...You should probably take a look at Pink Cross, a Christian group founded by former porn stars to help others get out of the industry. The testimonies of some of them are truly disturbing.<br /><br />http://thepinkcross.org/<br />http://thepinkcross.org/page/testimoniesJim S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15538540873375357030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55918417864007838142012-03-27T12:55:04.252-05:002012-03-27T12:55:04.252-05:00The actual remedy women need is finding safe men w...<i>The actual remedy women need is finding safe men who love them.</i><br /><br />Don't put those women off on men. Men don't need the burden. Maybe women could go with being truly free and equal and quit trying to create a Daddy government or some other kind of Daddy to take care of them.<br /><br />Richard Nixon saw Deep Throat 7 times. It took that many times to get it doown Pat.DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40044919118626764132012-03-27T12:46:29.939-05:002012-03-27T12:46:29.939-05:00Pornography, prostitution, etc. degrade both men a...Pornography, prostitution, etc. degrade both men and women, as individuals, and others through collateral damage. It reduces them to the sum of their body parts, which is representative of a perverted embrace of the natural order devoid of a moderating enlightened order (which offers justification for individual dignity).<br /><br />edutcher:<br /><br />It's pronounced "Fluck," but spelled "Fluke". Apparently, her emergence as the women's "savior" was as much a fluke as Lovelace's participation in pornography. They were both set up and exploited by their presumed benefactors. I wonder if Fluke's engagement was also involuntary or processed through deception.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69534327585590782302012-03-27T12:32:53.674-05:002012-03-27T12:32:53.674-05:00Trad guy makes a shrewd observation when he points...Trad guy makes a shrewd observation when he points out that her whole screwed up life may have been a cascade of guilt and bad decisions after that forced adoption at fifteen. Rosebud......Paranoics have enemies and manipulative women get manipulated. And women actively seek the "brute boot of the fascist". There's no way Hollywood will ever make a movie that makes Gloria Steinem look bad.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26630717209378820692012-03-27T12:30:13.980-05:002012-03-27T12:30:13.980-05:00Porn was definitely a primarily mob-financed busin...Porn was definitely a primarily mob-financed business back in the day...and probably still so, today, but at least now there are others who have got into the business to reap some of the rewards.<br /><br />I saw DEEP THROAT when it first came out. I was 16 and used an ID borrowed from a friend's older brother. My friend also got a fake I.D. We went to a late-afternoon show and walked in at around the halfway point. At the end, we sat through the waiting period between shows and then watched it to the point where we had entered and then left. When we had entered, the theater had been largely empty, but for two or three others. When we got up and turned around to leave, we were shocked to see that the entire back half of the theater had, in the interim, silently filled up. From appearances, (and time of day), we figured they were businessmen getting off from work and stopping in to see the already infamous film before heading home to their families! <br /><br />(The theater where we saw the film was in an old part of downtown Jacksonville, FL on--for realz--"Beaver Street!")<br /><br />Even as a randy 16-year old with no experience with girls, I found the film quickly palled and was mostly dull.<br /><br />Years later in New York, I saw the real, live Linda Lovelace at an opening for show of R. Crumb's drawings (where Crumb was present) at a downtown Chelsea gallery. She was the guest of a writer for SCREW (for whom a friend of mine was a regular illustrator), who was hoping to write her biography. I don't believe his book--if he ever completed it--has been published.<br /><br />How odd it felt to see a flesh and blood human being who had seemed--25 or 30 years before--a creature from another universe, a figment of dirty movie make-believe.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49391411989571500882012-03-27T12:16:03.938-05:002012-03-27T12:16:03.938-05:00Sounds like Pornography may not be a victim less c...Sounds like Pornography may not be a victim less crime after all. The actresses are being used for sinful purposes. Not that there is anything wrong with that.<br /><br />Her analogy to being held a prisoner applies to many people who are used by others for such purposes.<br /><br />So she hit pretty close to the mark with a call out to feminists to help her.<br /><br />It is goal of freeing women from bondage to bad men that is behind the feminist gals rather bizarre methods.<br /><br />The actual remedy women need is finding safe men who love them. Linda seems to have been lovable enough. <br /><br />I wonder what kept her from seeking a good life for herself? Was it guilt from the forced adoption at age 15?<br /><br />Oops. That's another reason for birth control being better than Russian Roulette for teen girls who like men at age 14.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7709045088821220982012-03-27T11:50:51.456-05:002012-03-27T11:50:51.456-05:00If as she claimed, porn was all mobbed up back the...<i>If as she claimed, porn was all mobbed up back then</i><br /><br />I don't know about 70s porn in general, but Deep Throat was financed by the Columbo family. It is an outstanding question how much of that $600 million was legit and how much of it was money laundered through mob-owned porn theaters.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69515380752324223012012-03-27T11:48:47.461-05:002012-03-27T11:48:47.461-05:00Lovelace "led a fascinating life that tracked...Lovelace <i>"led a fascinating life that tracked so many of the cultural trends we lived through</i>"<br /><br />Forrest Gump, with money shots.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33107146850377996132012-03-27T11:45:50.126-05:002012-03-27T11:45:50.126-05:00That would be worth the $15 to see.That would be worth the $15 to see.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.com