tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1936527026716369173..comments2024-03-19T06:39:03.651-05:00Comments on Althouse: Andrew Breitbart offers $100,000 for the full Journolist archive — with a promise to keep the source secret.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger286125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24124860811821858352010-06-30T18:08:50.998-05:002010-06-30T18:08:50.998-05:00Clinton was accused of committing perjury for stat...Clinton was accused of committing perjury for statements he made about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, while he being deposed by Paula Jones's lawyers in her sexual harassment suit.<br /><br />Now, I deplore sexual harassment, especially, as with Ms. Jones, when it occurs between the top boss and a very minor employee. One of the evils of sexual harassment arises from the power differential between the man and woman involved.<br /><br />But Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky appeared consensual -- in fact, she initiated it by flashing her thong. So what it had to do with Jones's harassment suit is unclear to me. <br /><br />But, the reason for a husband downplaying in public his extramarital affair seems plain to me.<br /><br />Now, Freeman touches on a different aspect: Was Clinton not a lowlife scum creature for leading Monica on, then breaing her heart by dumping her? Yes, indeed.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61092927586350496492010-06-30T17:53:25.706-05:002010-06-30T17:53:25.706-05:00If there’s nothing to hide, why is a reward even n...<i>If there’s nothing to hide, why is a reward even necessary? And if there’s nothing to hide, why would anybody privy to this list refuse such a generous reward? The questions answer themselves.</i><br /><br />You have to be quite likeable for people to help you for no reason. I suspect no one on the list thinks of Breitbart as a loving, cuddleable creature.<br /><br />Which raises the question: Would Althouse have had a better shot at getting the archive had Breitbart not gotten involved? What if someone sends it to her; will she have to share it with Breitbart?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40656440214940520112010-06-30T16:47:20.117-05:002010-06-30T16:47:20.117-05:00If there’s nothing to hide, why is a reward even n...If there’s nothing to hide, why is a reward even necessary? And if there’s nothing to hide, why would anybody privy to this list refuse such a generous reward? The questions answer themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1158603205761757042010-06-30T13:43:57.726-05:002010-06-30T13:43:57.726-05:00My empathy on that one is entirely with Lewinski w...My empathy on that one is entirely with Lewinski who was twenty-one at the time of the affair.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53133657974536346012010-06-30T13:42:34.628-05:002010-06-30T13:42:34.628-05:00Liberal's putative empathy for human weakness ...<i>Liberal's putative empathy for human weakness would have a lot more heft if it applied to non-lefties, too.</i><br /><br />I have to agree with blake. There is limitless empathy for their own and none at all for non-Democrats. And yes, Clinton was a Democrat and one of their own. It was the very popular Contract with America that was on the right.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40365206028709711862010-06-30T13:42:28.572-05:002010-06-30T13:42:28.572-05:00FLS,
The man who by pushing NAFTA both sent good ...FLS,<br /><br /><i>The man who by pushing NAFTA both sent good manufacturing jobs to Mexico and flooded Mexico with cheap tax-subsidized corn, further impoverishing Mexican peasants? The President who ended welfare? The one whose wife lobbied for a bill to strip children away from their drug-dependent parents? That Bill Clinton?</i><br /><br />Someone who was interested might cross-analyze your list of "accomplishments" for both spin and deflection. "Only a conservative would strip children away from their drug-dependent parents!"<br /><br />Clinton didn't come to office to enact conservative policy. (Hillarycare, anyone?)<br /><br />He triangulated; he moved right for reasons we can speculate on (most likely wanting to be a two-termer) but he was clearly, <i>clearly</i> one of "the left". (And still is.)<br /><br />From what I saw, there was a direct complement between empathy for Clinton and empathy for Lewinski. It seemed the more empathy the commenter had for Clinton, the less he had for Lewisnki.<br /><br />Me? I felt sorry for them both and hoped they would run away to the Caribbean and live happily ever after.<br /><br />But I'm a romantic.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32458331360004454922010-06-30T13:39:52.030-05:002010-06-30T13:39:52.030-05:00I'm a bit surprised that Freeman wants to stri...<i>I'm a bit surprised that Freeman wants to strip away the intellectual property of L-Soft, by treating their trademark as a generic descriptor.</i><br /><br />I'll send them some kleenexes to dry their tears. Maybe a coke of goodwill as well.<br /><br />The point is that Google Groups are listservs in the common usage of the word "listserv." It is a distinction without a difference.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89399758108906854162010-06-30T13:29:22.141-05:002010-06-30T13:29:22.141-05:00blake -- you think Clinton was a liberal?
The man...blake -- you think Clinton was a liberal?<br /><br />The man who by pushing NAFTA both sent good manufacturing jobs to Mexico and flooded Mexico with cheap tax-subsidized corn, further impoverishing Mexican peasants? The President who ended welfare? The one whose wife lobbied for a bill to strip children away from their drug-dependent parents? That Bill Clinton?<br /><br />"Center-right" is as far as I would go.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61658912794738648102010-06-30T11:59:19.084-05:002010-06-30T11:59:19.084-05:00FLS,
Liberal's putative empathy for human wea...FLS,<br /><br />Liberal's putative empathy for human weakness would have a lot more heft if it applied to non-lefties, too.<br /><br />"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."<br /><br />Not a conservative principle.<br /><br />In fact, given the vicious attacks made by putative liberals on anyone who dared stand in their way over the past, the idea that they have any empathy at all for non-fellow-travelers is risible.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45653850446618880572010-06-30T09:37:59.133-05:002010-06-30T09:37:59.133-05:00Me: Empathy for human weakness marks a huge differ...Me: Empathy for human weakness marks a huge difference between liberals and conservatives. <br /><br />Scott: <i>Perjury is a felony whether it's about sex or about something else. That's a conservative and libertarian position, and it's the correct one.<br /></i><br /><br />QED.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26056706582902149302010-06-30T09:35:26.805-05:002010-06-30T09:35:26.805-05:00Almost all revolutions in recorded history were up...Almost all revolutions in recorded history were uprisings against corrupt government. The Tea Party movement is a shot across the bow.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29255663884886733102010-06-30T09:29:11.220-05:002010-06-30T09:29:11.220-05:00I'm a bit surprised that Freeman wants to stri...I'm a bit surprised that Freeman wants to strip away the intellectual property of L-Soft, by treating their trademark as a generic descriptor.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59247565740691588482010-06-30T09:27:46.288-05:002010-06-30T09:27:46.288-05:00When you have a society whose politicians pass har...When you have a society whose politicians pass hard laws to get votes, and then selectively applies the law to be "compassionate" or to curry favor with constituents, it fosters a political culture where access to government depends on who you know. The United States is well along that corrupt path. The Tea Party movement is in part a reaction to that.<br /><br />Perjury is a felony whether it's about sex or about something else. That's a conservative and libertarian position, and it's the correct one.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11646395441755926362010-06-30T09:24:10.279-05:002010-06-30T09:24:10.279-05:00Google Groups are listservs.
Conservative blogger...Google Groups are listservs.<br /><br />Conservative bloggers sharing ideas are the same as very powerful journalists, bloggers, and policy activists getting together privately to hash out how to shape the news? I don't think so.<br /><br />And if conservative journalists are doing this, out them too.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74073299626226390582010-06-30T09:18:02.469-05:002010-06-30T09:18:02.469-05:00"Empathy for human weakness marks a huge diff..."Empathy for human weakness marks a huge difference between liberals and conservatives."<br /><br />Or perhaps the rule of law matters more to conservatives than it does liberals.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49414845304468580052010-06-30T09:16:22.396-05:002010-06-30T09:16:22.396-05:00@Mike: I would like to think so. However, there ar...@Mike: I would like to think so. However, there are some factors that militate against someone with a complete archive stepping forward:<br /><br /><b>1. Incomplete information.</b> Not everyone on the list may be aware of the $100k bounty.<br /><br /><b>2. Archive no longer exists.</b> Unlikely but possible. <br /><br /><b>3. Archive holder doesn't behave as expected.</b> From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>: "One experiment based on the simple (prisoner's) dilemma found that approximately 40% of participants played "cooperate" (i.e., stayed silent)."Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53300375974997371392010-06-30T09:14:25.399-05:002010-06-30T09:14:25.399-05:00A couple of points:
Journolist was not a Listserv...A couple of points:<br /><br />Journolist was not a Listserv (TM) apparently, but a googlegroup.<br /><br />Conservatives have no reason to use computers to share ideas -- like members of a WW II resistance group, they merely huddle around their AM radios to receive daily VRWC updates during the Sean Hannity show.<br /><br /><i>"He was only lying about sex," as if that was exculpatory.<br /></i><br /><br />Empathy for human weakness marks a huge difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals understand why someone who cheated on his wife might want to lie about it, at times when his wife would be able to find out about it. Compare how conservatives reacted when they found out David Vitter was boffing a hooker who worked for the Canal Street Madam. Vitter had to resig -- what do you mean, he's still in office?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66421478447366508212010-06-30T08:44:44.989-05:002010-06-30T08:44:44.989-05:00And most importantly about those GOP, DNC, and oth...And most importantly about those GOP, DNC, and other political organization lists, they're not private. Anyone can get them; there are no secrets.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35548549740071658992010-06-30T08:40:01.034-05:002010-06-30T08:40:01.034-05:00Will someone sell the archives out? For those of ...Will someone sell the archives out? For those of you who think it won't happen, Google "Prisoner's Dilemma". A sellout is virtually guaranteed.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09591653189783332797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17250894300466751532010-06-30T08:39:18.790-05:002010-06-30T08:39:18.790-05:00And notice that you all completely ignored the rev...<i>And notice that you all completely ignored the revelation that conservative blogger Dan Riehl - frequently linked to by all the conservative bloggers - was on a list-serv designed to feed him Republican talking points to push on his blog, straight from staffer working for Republican politicians. </i><br /><br />That's utterly meaningless. I get all kinds of stuff like that, both from organizations I like and organizations I loathe. They're not participatory listservs, they're email blasts, the political equivalent of spam.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75330361007306875722010-06-30T08:08:48.390-05:002010-06-30T08:08:48.390-05:00Especially likely since Weigel has said the majori...Especially likely since Weigel has said the majority of people on the list were lurkers and have nothing incriminating in the journal presumably.Dashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10498350330430648546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61748895261538357332010-06-30T07:39:02.824-05:002010-06-30T07:39:02.824-05:00You could remain anonymous for a while, but the pa...You could remain anonymous for a while, but the payment would be a taxable event.<br /><br />If someone in the administration really wanted to know who first handed over the Journolist archives they'd merely have to use the power of the IRS to follow the money...<br /><br />Word Verification = "taboo".The Comedianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08614188660305910320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77174114382854865492010-06-30T06:21:33.035-05:002010-06-30T06:21:33.035-05:00Zombiecrats. :)Zombiecrats. :)Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70374509822962985172010-06-30T06:10:38.218-05:002010-06-30T06:10:38.218-05:00I'm going to be on news.google.com today to se...I'm going to be on news.google.com today to see how the leftish do damage control. The emerging meme is the one that we're seeing here -- that there is a "secret conservative listserv that's <i>just like JournoList.</i>"<br /><br />It's going to be Bill Clinton style message coordination again -- conservatives said that he committed a felony, and the leftish reflexively SCREAMED that "He was only lying about sex," as if that was exculpatory.<br /><br />What gets me is how the leftish never seem to get sick of that shit. It's like living among zombies.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31490087978901979032010-06-30T06:04:15.484-05:002010-06-30T06:04:15.484-05:00Revenant gets it. Loafing Oaf elides -- he either ...Revenant gets it. Loafing Oaf elides -- he either doesn't get it or doesn't want you to get it.<br /><br />And the search for false equivalence by the leftish continues...Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.com