tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1444420497713482227..comments2024-03-29T08:17:48.807-05:00Comments on Althouse: Justice Scalia writes a dissent — in a 4th Amendment case — joined by Justices Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46185454659944570802013-06-04T19:07:04.681-05:002013-06-04T19:07:04.681-05:00Just think of all the crimes we could solve if the...Just think of all the crimes we could solve if they just took a DNA swab from everybody when they showed up to get their vaccinations for school. Any time a crime involving someone over the age of 5 occurred, the government would be able to feed all the samples into a database and know about everybody who was at the scene. In fact, they could do that with everything, even when crimes hadn't occurred but they wanted to know who had done what in a certain place or time for whatever purpose they wanted to know. If it saves just one life...gbartohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992016559235916986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43520042743982857812013-06-04T14:46:03.163-05:002013-06-04T14:46:03.163-05:00Uh, no I don't, so you can shut up now
Are yo...<i>Uh, no I don't, so you can shut up now</i><br /><br />Are you saying that you don't believe that there are such things as violent criminals?Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2149737571174952732013-06-04T10:49:05.222-05:002013-06-04T10:49:05.222-05:00Average Joe said...
Perhaps, but it creates the i...<i> Average Joe said...<br /><br />Perhaps, but it creates the impression that he does not believe that there are such things as violent criminals.</i><br /><br />Uh, no I don't, so you can shut up now.Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29166939755110418312013-06-04T07:39:54.671-05:002013-06-04T07:39:54.671-05:00You don't know many cops.
Actually I do.<i>You don't know many cops.</i><br /><br />Actually I do.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58402739865906361302013-06-04T07:39:18.785-05:002013-06-04T07:39:18.785-05:00Because he's quoting you. Duh?
Perhaps, but i...<i>Because he's quoting you. Duh?</i><br /><br />Perhaps, but it creates the impression that he does not believe that there are such things as violent criminals.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50228660622125678202013-06-04T06:29:37.971-05:002013-06-04T06:29:37.971-05:00Ex-prosecutor said...
So, to end this post, I bel...<i>Ex-prosecutor said...<br /><br />So, to end this post, I believe that DNA testing can be a great tool in solving crimes, and the database should be as big as possible. However, the procedure is ripe for abuse by dishonest police and prosecutors</i><br /><br />Ok, fair enough, thanks for the thoughts.<br /><br />So on that point, what is wrong with the probable cause standard in having a judge sign off on a warrant?<br /><br />Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66457554535863750942013-06-03T23:34:27.776-05:002013-06-03T23:34:27.776-05:00It's good to see some connies throwing with th...It's good to see some connies throwing with the individual rights-defending side of Scalia. Gabe's brought up a bunch of good issues with using DNA as a broad brush default tool for all criminal identification - since it goes far beyond that. The other big issue is crime lab foul-ups, also raised. We're talking about very fickle and ubiquitous stuff. How big a sample is even needed for sequencing nowadays, given that you shed it everywhere? How cautious will crime labs be with keeping separate samples isolated - and to the degree necessary? The potential for contamination is enormous. As testing sensitivity increases specificity will decrease; i.e. contamination will become a worse and worse problem the better our technology for isolating it improves. What are the conditions even like in these labs and what standards are used to accredit them? Who surveys them? How often?<br /><br />What will happen is that everyone and their mother will now have to use private labs to make sure the integrity of their own personal DNA samples are known and available when these Clouseaus start pretending like they've got a proof-positive handle on the sequence of everyone's genetic code. <br /><br />And that's just for source identification. Ensuring the integrity of the chain of events from crime scene sample isolation to processing is something that these jokers will just never get right. <br /><br />As I said before, detection power will increase and so will contamination. Everywhere. It will be like expecting four-year olds to stay within the lines of coloring books. Impossible. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53493289028054315912013-06-03T23:30:17.402-05:002013-06-03T23:30:17.402-05:00Why did you put the words violent criminals in quo...<i>Why did you put the words violent criminals in quotation marks? </i><br /><br />Because he's quoting you.<br /><br />Duh?Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83456419281791896002013-06-03T23:19:09.836-05:002013-06-03T23:19:09.836-05:006:04 PM FTW. 6:04 PM FTW. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34730991705251572752013-06-03T23:15:10.892-05:002013-06-03T23:15:10.892-05:00While fingerprints cannot easily be planted at a c...<i>While fingerprints cannot easily be planted at a crime scene, a lift card or photo is what's used for the print comparison and is brought into court, not the object on which the print was found. So, officers could get a lift from a print the defendant left on, for instance, a drink can the defendant touched at another crime scene or in a police interview room and claim it came from the crime scene.</i><br /><br />Yeah, but DNA is left everywhere and can contaminate anything. You shed it almost all the time. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82140905355143109362013-06-03T21:39:08.373-05:002013-06-03T21:39:08.373-05:00You say we need more Scalias' because of the w...You say we need more Scalias' because of the way he voted. Well three liberal judges voted the same way, so logic says that we need more judges like them also. I don’t think so.BooneBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197076650153524504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50398240020237723072013-06-03T21:06:02.241-05:002013-06-03T21:06:02.241-05:00I guess in your mind only "violent criminals&...<i>I guess in your mind only "violent criminals" are ever arrested.</i><br /><br />Why did you put the words violent criminals in quotation marks? It makes it sound like you don't believe that violent criminals exists.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21752191414087888612013-06-03T20:16:54.867-05:002013-06-03T20:16:54.867-05:00I think this may have a little to do with the Rose...I think this may have a little to do with the Rosen affair too. <br />And we do not even know that it was the Korea leak they were after. Maybe someone thought Rosen might have been a little too attentive to their wife or daughter and asked the FBI to check him out. Or whatever. Dan Brown, call your office!Hagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653025261513705773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92176346593091725882013-06-03T19:58:46.336-05:002013-06-03T19:58:46.336-05:00I don't think most police officers would be in...<i>I don't think most police officers would be interested in doing these sort of things</i><br /><br />You don't know many cops. :)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35032038086052655702013-06-03T19:52:15.296-05:002013-06-03T19:52:15.296-05:00Jay,
Sorry to be slow, I had to fix dinner,
Act...Jay,<br /><br />Sorry to be slow, I had to fix dinner,<br /><br />Actually, I agree with many of your points. I see how reasonable people could disagree on this topic. Further, I agree with the feelings about the Duke and Florida/Zimmerman prosecutors. The<br />Duke prosecutor was interested only in being reelected. The Zimmerman prosecutor seems to be sadistic, untrustworthy and a person who should not be trusted to be a prosecutor. What the Florida governor should have done was appoint a retired prosecutor and retired judge to avoid those with political ambitions. The prosecutor skipped the grand jury because she probably wouldn’t have gotten an indictment against him. Assuming a reasonably fair jury in this case, I<br />think they’ll never convict Zimmerman - it should either be not guilty or a hung jury. <br /><br />So, to end this post, I believe that DNA testing can be a great tool in solving crimes, and the database should be as big as possible. However, the procedure is ripe for abuse by dishonest police and prosecutors.<br /><br />Ex-prosecutorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02452419035924029993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23369423866736951242013-06-03T19:51:25.119-05:002013-06-03T19:51:25.119-05:00I just love it when, instead of trying to make leg...<i>I just love it when, instead of trying to make legitimate points, people start saying things such as calling me an "asshole" and saying other profanities like "fuck." </i><br /><br />Just a suggestion, but it is generally a bad idea to devote more posts to complaining about insults than were actually devoted to insulting you.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6712608671453485352013-06-03T19:49:28.941-05:002013-06-03T19:49:28.941-05:00Ex-prosecutor said...
I just love it when, in...<i>Ex-prosecutor said...<br /><br /> I just love it when, instead of trying to make legitimate points, people start saying things such as calling me an "asshole" and saying other profanities like "fuck."<br /><br /> So, for those so juvenile as to think that minds can be changed or points made by using off-color language with those with whom they disagree, I'd like to be just as juvenile.<br /><br /> All of you are just a bunch of doo-doo head. Your dogs don't like you, either.<br /><br /> Plus, a lot of prosecutors are doo-doo heads and abuse their power. I agree with you on that.</i><br /><br />I am not one of those people. However, your butthurt is showing.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86634293669478379732013-06-03T19:22:20.762-05:002013-06-03T19:22:20.762-05:00 Average Joe said...
I don't think most polic... Average Joe said...<br /><br /><i>I don't think most police officers would be interested in doing these sort of things.</i><br /><br />Most people are not interested in committing murder, but we still need to outlaw it. I'm not concerned about most police, just the bad apples who would take advantage of the system for personal or political gain.Ignorance is Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02338942311894099159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54639813633533595062013-06-03T18:21:01.016-05:002013-06-03T18:21:01.016-05:00Average Joe said...
How is protecting the rights...<i>Average Joe said...<br /><br /><br />How is protecting the rights of violent criminals protecting my freedom?</i><br /><br />Because you're engaging in silly and false premises.<br /><br />I guess in your mind only "violent criminals" are ever arrested.<br /><br />Or something.Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64704757082841701852013-06-03T18:19:44.913-05:002013-06-03T18:19:44.913-05:00Ex-prosecutor said...
I just love it when, instead...<i>Ex-prosecutor said...<br />I just love it when, instead of trying to make legitimate points, people start saying things such as calling me an "asshole" and saying other profanities like "fuck." </i><br /><br />I made a whole bunch of legitimate points.<br /><br />Since you can't respond to them, you'll whine about language.<br /><br />Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73333882601533832842013-06-03T18:11:54.889-05:002013-06-03T18:11:54.889-05:00I just love it when, instead of trying to make leg...I just love it when, instead of trying to make legitimate points, people start saying things such as calling me an "asshole" and saying other profanities like "fuck." <br /><br />So, for those so juvenile as to think that minds can be changed or points made by using off-color language with those with whom they disagree, I'd like to be just as juvenile.<br /><br />All of you are just a bunch of doo-doo head. Your dogs don't like you, either.<br /><br />Plus, a lot of prosecutors are doo-doo heads and abuse their power. I agree with you on that.Ex-prosecutorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02452419035924029993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19567683663632045442013-06-03T18:04:22.609-05:002013-06-03T18:04:22.609-05:00How is protecting the rights of violent criminals ...<i>How is protecting the rights of violent criminals protecting my freedom?</i><br /><br />It appears you haven't read what was actually decided here. There is no "only applies to violent crimes" restriction.<br /><br />If you wish to amend your comment to say "how is protecting the rights of felons protecting my freedom", the answer is simple: you ARE a felon. You can't live in America today and not be; there are simply too many overbroad and contradictory laws on the books. If you think of "criminals" as a class of people you don't personally belong to, you're mistaken. :)<br /><br />Police like to talk about murder and rape when asking for new or broader powers. The reality is that the average cop has little to no involvement with rape or murder cases during his career -- unsurprising given that cops outnumber rapists and murderers by more than 2 to 1.<br /><br />The way you need to think about this isn't "police swabbing killers to catch killers". It is "police swabbing you for whatever reason they feel like trumping up, after which the US government has your DNA on file for whatever purpose they may decide to use it in the future". That is what is *actually* being signed off on here.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25244750844291388752013-06-03T17:42:18.007-05:002013-06-03T17:42:18.007-05:00Average Joe said...
A more cost effective way wou...<i>Average Joe said...<br /> A more cost effective way would be to use finger prints and DNA.</i><br /><br />Actually, an RFID chip would be a lot less expensive than fingerprints and DNABrian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43487729163677032402013-06-03T17:34:47.681-05:002013-06-03T17:34:47.681-05:00People just hand over their freedoms willingly.
H...<i>People just hand over their freedoms willingly.</i><br /><br />How is protecting the rights of violent criminals protecting my freedom? Exactly what freedoms do murder victims enjoy that would be taken away from them by allowing the police to test DNA?Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18645688286180841722013-06-03T17:28:14.207-05:002013-06-03T17:28:14.207-05:00I think the best way to solve crimes would be to f...<i>I think the best way to solve crimes would be to follow people around 24/7, say with GPS trackers. That would really get 'em.</i><br /><br />This would be incredibly expensive. A more cost effective way would be to use finger prints and DNA.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.com